Concur. ICE is the topic du jour again and the conversation has changed. Where before folks were "accepting" because the story was ICE was going after criminals and who doesn't want criminals off the streets?
But then ICE started killing folks all over the place, enough to make those who were supporting them to sit up and take notice. Yes, they wanted criminals deported but... not like this.
What did folks think was going to happen? ICE isn't out of control, in fact they are very carefully following orders as handed down from the highest authority. Fascists always gotta fascist.
No ICE agents have been killed. However, American citizens and LEGAL immigrants HAVE BEEN killed by ICE. I've yet to read anything about that fact from any Trump supporter. Silence is complicity.
Trump and his regime are concocting a "Democrats are Commies" campaign for the mid-term elections, and Trump's ghouls in ICE are killing American citizens and legal immigrants, just as a totalitarian regime would. Sounds more "Commie" to me than anything the Dems are doing.
The Department of Homeland Security has reported an increase in violent confrontations and assaults against ICE agents by individuals and activist groups resisting immigration enforcement. These incidents have included shootings, vehicular assaults, and the throwing of Molotov cocktails.
-FJ wants to believe the non-violent victims of ICE deserved summary executions. Just like a Nazi and other authoritarian thugs. Just imagine the admiration of Netanyahu and Stephen Miller would receive by the OG Fuhrer today. Truly birds of a feather, stepping like a goose. Fascists delight in the suffering and deaths of people they hate. That is what defines them more than anything.
Speaking of fascists who love a good Putsch, -FJ, can you tell us who won the 2020 election?
"The Department of Homeland Security has reported an increase in violent confrontations and assaults against ICE agents by individuals and activist groups resisting immigration enforcement. These incidents have included shootings, vehicular assaults, and the throwing of Molotov cocktails." -FJ
That seems like a natural reaction to a Trump agency that's killing Americans and legal immigrants on American streets. If this were happening in any other democracy in the world, people would be on the side of the protestors, not the people doing the killing.
They have a long way to go to expel the 10 million who crossed without an invitation from the previous president. Maybe if he would have enforced keeping the border secure this wouldn't be such a massive job. Of course he took great steps to secure the border by appointing someone to take charge of the border, some called her a czar. The problem is she can talk for hours and confuse any person and any issue but not fluent in Spanish so was ineffective.
-FJ... video evidence shows an ICE department untrained, ill equipped for their jobs and too quick on the trigger.
Here's how Harris County, [Houston]Texas DA Sean Teare put it... the actions of federal immigration agents “in no way resemble” the tactics of “every law enforcement agency” he’s worked in, and that “either these agents are completely untrained, or intentionally putting themselves in situations where they can justify firing into cars.”
I get FAFO, but we have law enforcement ppl all across the US who have never used their guns and in just a few months, we have multiple deaths at the hands of ICE.
And not a single real injury to an ICE officer, no after action reviews, nothing.
Ask around if you personally know any good cops. They are disgusted being tarred and feathered by the amateur hour known as the Trump ICE Department. They'll tell you these guys have no idea what they are doing.
What is the purpose of all the Left's ICE monitoring operations? To impede ICE, warn them that ICE is coming, and to help illegals ESCAPE capture. They get killed trying to escape ICE. Big surprise. And you blame ICE???
Not ONE American should have been killed during Trump's ICE operations, NOT ONE! You're a typical authoritarian supporter, making excuses for the regime's killings.
That's ALWAYS a losing tactic, friend. No normal people side with extra-judicial killings of innocent people. Apparently, those kinds of thugs are your heroes. Live with that on your conscience.
Yup. All blame goes to trump and his unprincipled fascist brown shirts. Yes siree, it is what bigoted racist authoritarianism leads to. Read actual, truthful history.
"What is the purpose of all the Left's ICE monitoring operations? To impede ICE, warn them that ICE is coming, and to help illegals ESCAPE capture. They get killed trying to escape ICE. Big surprise. And you blame ICE???"
What kind of person would write this? As I noted this is the neo-Nazi thinking that endorses summary executions of non-violent protestors. (Very BAD when Iran does it. Very GOOD when MAGA SS thugs do it.)
Nobody objects to deporting violent criminal immigrants, "legal" or not.
Racist authoritarian sociopaths are NOT making America great by tearing families apart, denying due process, and dumping non-violent human beings into concentration camps to be treated like animals and violent felons.
MAGA Jews and their fascist Criminal president are the cause of more needless cruelty and human suffering than the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and the Klan combined in these dark times.
"-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew The left is encouraging illegals to resist. What did you really expect?"
People are telling those who ICE is hunting down what their legal rights are.
You got a problem with that? You got a problem with people trying to protect immigrants from Trump's murderous thugs? If I were younger, I'd be out there doing that very thing.
Telling people their rights is NOT a crime.
What the Trump regime is doing to innocent and even the undocuments IS CRIMINAL.
As a supporter of authoritarian/totalitarian tactics, you've made yourself perfectly clear on what you expect Trump's thugs to do.
-FJ asked "The left is encouraging illegals to resist. What did you really expect?"
I don't agree. But to answer your question, I would not expect our government, a la Kent State, to kill them.
Trained officers almost never have instances like this. Maybe a little foresight, better planning and training, and adhering to the concept of good law enforcement would help.
Lots of people try to evade arrest. Living in So Cal for many years, I saw many police chases on KTLA over the years. I don't recall a single incident of a runner being shot.
It's apparent from JoeCon's and -FJ's comments that they approve of the killings and mayhem perpetrated by Trump ICE thugs. They actually believe the Americans and legal immigrants being murdered deserve their fates.
We know how history treats those who side with murderous regimes.
For those who care, obviously -FJ excluded, here's a searing The American Life that has actual 911 calls from people trying to ascertain what to do as ICE rolls through Charlotte late last year. The people, US citizens, are calling and asking what their rights are when confronted by unmarked vehicles, unidentified people with guns and more.
Everyone should give it a listen.
Let me turn -FJ's question a little, though I expect no answer...
What would you do -FJ, if you were confronted by people who looked like armed thugs, in unmarked vehicles, sometimes everyday mini vans, who essentially wanted to kidnap you?
Would you, a person who has in the past extolled the virtues of never trusting the government, trust those types of people?
You really don't get it. You really don't know what's coming. You haven't a clue. You really think the problems of Iran are going to stay in Iran much longer? The global jihad has only just begun.
Here's what I can say... One, this post has nothing to do with your Iran rant. But I agree with your words at the Mothership. Iran is a clusterf*#k, made worse by the same stupid president who has unleashed ICE on a non existent problem.
I admire your willingness to strongly criticize Z, but let's wait and see if she calls you nasty, bans you and is as critical of you as she has been of me.
On a larger point, I don't know what the "it" is I don't get. At the end of the day, I'm a man of faith. My citizenship is not of this Kingdom. I work to make this place better for us while I'm here, but I've ultimately got to trust in my God.
That's my "it". And so, I do get it.
The essence of things hoped for, the assurance of things not seen.
In fairness Joe... I did notice there was no response to your posts there. I think this... JOE: “JUST LEAVE NOW” and risk nuclear annihilation in our country? Her constant worry about being nuked, was her last response.
I'll admit, you summed up the Iran issues fairly well. But that crowd is not a fan of divergent views.
That "fools" remark might come back to bite you if you keep it up.
Mission accomplished, Herr Juden Schutzstaffelfuhrer? Untermensch have no place in Trump's Fourth Reich.
Detainees at ICE facility in Texas were beaten and abused, rights groups say By Kanishka Singh July 15, 2026
WASHINGTON, July 15 (Reuters) - Detainees at a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Texas told two rights groups they were beaten by guards, denied medical care and prevented from contacting family and lawyers, according to a report issued on Wednesday.
The report, issued by Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union, spans dozens of pages and is based on 80 interviews HRW conducted with detainees that focused on conditions at Camp East Montana, which is located at the U.S. Army's Fort Bliss in El Paso.
"People detained at Camp East Montana reported routine beatings and other excessive force by guards, chronic malnutrition, and unsanitary and degrading living conditions," the report said, citing interviews. "Together, these abuses violate fundamental protections under U.S. and international human rights law."
This is why we can't have nice things... Both -FJ and Skud, regularly post, and we've all documented it, untrue statements as facts.
Did Pres Biden mistakenly allow way too many, by some accounts up to 2 million with more entering through legal means, like asylum claims? Yes and anyone who says no is in the same territory as Skud and -FJ.
But facts matter. At least they should, and both of those people have shown as disdain for facts, research and truth.
Opinions are fine. We all have them and we can all share them. But when we present them as fact, that's a problem.
At least, IMHO.
Now I understand why someone like -FJ might feel as he does about how the police or ICE treat people here illegally. Especially when he's have been conditioned to view some people as "invaders".
But what about US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights to peacefully assemble, or to protest? Does our federal government now have the right to shoot us too?
It seems that people like -FJ and Skud are arguing for the right of Americans to do whatever we need to do to stop the "invasion" or expel people who are here without our permission.
I wonder if they felt the Native Americans had that right also, or if it really does come down to "might makes right"?
Deflection again. This post has nothing to do with aiding and abetting anyone. Why did you write that?
The last two post are about Trump’s ICE agents killing an innocent young father, a LEGAL immigrant who was not breaking the law.
So you change the subject and deflect from the reality of the inhuman and wholly unAmerican tactics being used by Trump’s ICE agents.
IMO, they’re nothing more than armed and masked hooligans and killers, answerable to no one, and a plague on our American soil.
A majority of Americans reject what Trump and ICE are doing in our name.
AI Overview Polling shows that a majority of Americans reject the use of lethal force and aggressive tactics by federal immigration agents. Following fatal ICE shootings, nationwide surveys found that 61% of Americans believe ICE tactics have "gone too far" and a majority oppose the agency's use of physical force in these incidents.”
"Border Czar Tom Homan was caught by the FBI accepting bribes - on camera - to deliver government contracts in exchange for $50,000 in cash. Pam Bondi knew. Kash Patel knew. Emil Bove knew. And they made the investigation go away. A corrupt attempt to conceal brazen graft."
-FJ/JC: Homan is a HERO! Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Emil Bove are the BEST!
Tom Homan: " there's still gonna be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted."
-FJ/JC: Homan is a REAL American, eager to SHOOT Americans for daring to exercise their 1st Amendment rights...and Hitler did a lot of good things.
Americans largely disapprove of the actions of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents as recent enhanced enforcement operations spread to new cities across the country, a new PBS News/NPR/Marist Poll found. A majority say ICE is making Americans less safe, and a growing number believe the agency's actions have gone too far.
Six in 10 Americans disapprove of the job ICE is doing, while about 3 in 10 approve.
Once proud of America's government and its attempts to improve the quality of rights and life for its citizens I no longer can say this now the the anti liberty authoritarian trump regime and Project 2025 works their evil.
The many faced racist white supremacist who visits here and keeps supporting and pushing the lies of Zionist Israel and its butcher Netanyahu, as well as those of the malignant narcissist liar trump simply proves how f'ing clueless he is.
His vision of America is one of a fascist racist sh*thole.
Dave, Mistakenly allow should be invited in "While attempting to undo certain policies from the previous administration, he faced unprecedented levels of unauthorized arrivals at the U.S.-Mexico border."
Ms. Shaw, I do agree that the actions of ICE is not warranted but neither is the actions of mayors refusing to assist ICE. Maybe if local law enforcement didn't throw up roadblocks to the apprehension of uninvited border crossers the violence would not be as prevalent. Your same 61% support deportation of unauthorized immigrants. "AI Overview Polling shows that about 61% of Americans support the deportation of unauthorized immigrants and agree that entering the country without permission breaks the law. However, these views are nuanced: while over 80% support deporting those convicted of violent crimes, the majority oppose deporting long-term, working undocumented immigrants."
Mayors and governors have the legal right to refuse to use state and local resources to assist, enforce, or participate in federal immigration operations. The U.S. Constitution's Tenth Amendment prevents the federal government from "commandeering" local and state officials to enforce federal laws
These two posts are about ICE killing a young father who was in this country LEGALLY. ICE admitted they detained the wrong person. Their use of lethal force while armed and masked is highly suspect and unAmerican. They are not held accountable for the deaths of Americans and others they cause.
This is how I remember growing up hearing how Communist countries act, not a democracy; not America.
Communism, facism, and socialism, as well as democracy, when tainted by authoritarian power seeking and power hungry narcissistic individuals will produce what history has seen throughout recorded history. And under the fascist trump regime we are NOW witnessing it in America.
Sen. Chris Murphy sharply criticized U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), claiming the agency has shot and killed 10 people since President Donald Trump returned to office and that 50 people have died in ICE detention. Murphy described ICE as a "killing machine," arguing the reported deaths should not be normalized. His remarks add to the ongoing political debate over immigration enforcement and federal detention policies.
The MIC, in essence, is a killing machine driven by the capitalist class profit motives of the capitalist industries that support it and its insatiable desire for war and destruction.
All to bully the world in seeing and doing things that support the now declining American Empire and its genocidal butchers in the Zionist government of Israel.
Yes Mayors and governors have the legal right but by exercising that right they are placing their citizens in danger. Of course politics and optics plays a larger role than protecting their citizens. No one is being commandeered to enforce anything. Why are their protests and marches against ICE yet when a uninvited crosser commits a crime all you hear from the left is crickets
“Significantly more Americans are killed by gun violence than by undocumented immigrants. Gun violence accounts for tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. annually, whereas comprehensive state studies show undocumented immigrants have homicide conviction rates considerably lower than native-born U.S. citizens.
For context, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention typically reports tens of thousands of firearm-related deaths each year. Conversely, multi-year analyses—such as the peer-reviewed research on crime rates in Texas published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences—consistently find that undocumented immigrants have lower violent crime and homicide arrest rates than native-born citizens.”
Now, that doesn’t mean we should accept homicides by undocumented people. What I mean is that Americans ACCEPT firearm deaths in schools, churches, temples, theaters, etc., and then believe homicides by the undocumented are out of control. Why is that, Skud?
What have we done to protect the thousands and thousands of Americans from firearm deaths? Or are only the homicides by undocumented people appalling to Americans?
FJ ub above offers "No M, I wasn't talking to myself. And yes, Z has come close to banning me before. Did you notice how silent the thread went" Congratulations, man. That woman would ban Jesus for the Beatitudes. The mothership of continuous hate with a loyal small crew of cretans..
The majority of gun deaths are by suicide followed by homicide then we have other. Homicides rose sharply during the biden years so maybe he is to blame. Where do you get that Americans ACCEPT firearm deaths. I don't know one person who feels firearm deaths are OK. Violence is on the rise because we have a broken legal system. 10 Year sentence out in 3. We accept that just like we accept lousy education, violence against LEO's. no discipline in schools and teach to the bottom instead of bringing up the bottom.
Khrushchev was right about America turning communist because we are to lazy to prevent it.
Ding! And up popped Mr. Know What He Diesn"t Know, skud. Conditioned to the hilt, he like joe con, -fj, and the sailors on the Mothership.are unwilling and therefore incapable of seeing or accepting anything outside their conditioning and false beliefs.
I don’t know what you’re talking about America going communist, but Trump and his thugs are killing Americans and legal immigrants in the streets. And putting other people in concentration camps.
I don’t know about you, but when I was growing up in America, that did not happen. Trump is an authoritarian. If anyone is turning America into a communist country, that would be Trump. Not the Democrats.
Communism is an economic system. A socialist system that in principal is a system that takes the levers of production and wealth control out of the hands of the exploitive, predatory, and manipulative capital class and puts power over the levers of production whete it belongs . In the hands of the working producing class where it belongs.
Communism, socialism, democratic socialism can operate perfectly well. If only the capital class (1-3 percent) would allow it. It will however never willingly stop extracting wealth from the proletariat and funneling wealth accumulation to their own.
It is authoritarian policies and dictatorial control by the few that gave late 19th century and 2oth century it "bad" name. But hey, our fascist president, his fascist party, and the fascist American capital class is just as authoritarian and lacking in true compassion and empathy.
The capitalist west IS in decline. And ur WILL ultimately be tw vehicle of its own destruction.
Ms. Shaw, I will use a term from long ago. Back in the day our politicians were not an elite class and worked to make America better for all. Now they are the elite class and their only action is to attack the other party and to hell with the citizens. Tip oneil would actually work with the republicans to get things done now all the speaker does is protect the sitting president and that has been going on for several administrations. Trump is like a virus and is infecting everything. Fortunately his time is limited and his supporters are thinning so there is a chance to rebuild the country. It would be nice to have two candidates who are qualified to lead unlike the last two elections but time will tell.
Concur. ICE is the topic du jour again and the conversation has changed. Where before folks were "accepting" because the story was ICE was going after criminals and who doesn't want criminals off the streets?
ReplyDeleteBut then ICE started killing folks all over the place, enough to make those who were supporting them to sit up and take notice. Yes, they wanted criminals deported but... not like this.
What did folks think was going to happen? ICE isn't out of control, in fact they are very carefully following orders as handed down from the highest authority. Fascists always gotta fascist.
It will likely be just another cover-up opportunity for trump and his Nazi regime of brown shirts.
ReplyDeleteFor once we agree. People who kill ICE agents should certainly be held accountable.
ReplyDeleteNo ICE agents have been killed. However, American citizens and LEGAL immigrants HAVE BEEN killed by ICE. I've yet to read anything about that fact from any Trump supporter. Silence is complicity.
DeleteTrump and his regime are concocting a "Democrats are Commies" campaign for the mid-term elections, and Trump's ghouls in ICE are killing American citizens and legal immigrants, just as a totalitarian regime would. Sounds more "Commie" to me than anything the Dems are doing.
It seems it's the trump ICE goons who need some accontability. Not their victims.
ReplyDeleteThe Department of Homeland Security has reported an increase in violent confrontations and assaults against ICE agents by individuals and activist groups resisting immigration enforcement. These incidents have included shootings, vehicular assaults, and the throwing of Molotov cocktails.
DeleteFAFO
Anything, and that means everything coming out of the lying criminal trump administration is highly questionable and suspect.
DeleteThe majority of it is nothing but propaganda meant to cover the administration's as*es.
-FJ wants to believe the non-violent victims of ICE deserved summary executions. Just like a Nazi and other authoritarian thugs.
DeleteJust imagine the admiration of Netanyahu and Stephen Miller would receive by the OG Fuhrer today. Truly birds of a feather, stepping like a goose.
Fascists delight in the suffering and deaths of people they hate.
That is what defines them more than anything.
Speaking of fascists who love a good Putsch, -FJ, can you tell us who won the 2020 election?
No, but I can tell you who will win in all the rest. :)
DeleteEin Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer!
DeleteNicht Wahr, Herr Juden Schutzstaffelfuhrer?
"The Department of Homeland Security has reported an increase in violent confrontations and assaults against ICE agents by individuals and activist groups resisting immigration enforcement. These incidents have included shootings, vehicular assaults, and the throwing of Molotov cocktails." -FJ
DeleteThat seems like a natural reaction to a Trump agency that's killing Americans and legal immigrants on American streets. If this were happening in any other democracy in the world, people would be on the side of the protestors, not the people doing the killing.
We know which side you're on, -FJ, don't we.
They have a long way to go to expel the 10 million who crossed without an invitation from the previous president. Maybe if he would have enforced keeping the border secure this wouldn't be such a massive job. Of course he took great steps to secure the border by appointing someone to take charge of the border, some called her a czar. The problem is she can talk for hours and confuse any person and any issue but not fluent in Spanish so was ineffective.
ReplyDelete-FJ... video evidence shows an ICE department untrained, ill equipped for their jobs and too quick on the trigger.
ReplyDeleteHere's how Harris County, [Houston]Texas DA Sean Teare put it... the actions of federal immigration agents “in no way resemble” the tactics of “every law enforcement agency” he’s worked in, and that “either these agents are completely untrained, or intentionally putting themselves in situations where they can justify firing into cars.”
I get FAFO, but we have law enforcement ppl all across the US who have never used their guns and in just a few months, we have multiple deaths at the hands of ICE.
And not a single real injury to an ICE officer, no after action reviews, nothing.
Ask around if you personally know any good cops. They are disgusted being tarred and feathered by the amateur hour known as the Trump ICE Department. They'll tell you these guys have no idea what they are doing.
The left is encouraging illegals to resist. What did you really expect?
DeleteWhat is the purpose of all the Left's ICE monitoring operations? To impede ICE, warn them that ICE is coming, and to help illegals ESCAPE capture. They get killed trying to escape ICE. Big surprise. And you blame ICE???
DeleteNot ONE American should have been killed during Trump's ICE operations, NOT ONE! You're a typical authoritarian supporter, making excuses for the regime's killings.
DeleteThat's ALWAYS a losing tactic, friend. No normal people side with extra-judicial killings of innocent people. Apparently, those kinds of thugs are your heroes. Live with that on your conscience.
Yup. All blame goes to trump and his unprincipled fascist brown shirts. Yes siree, it is what bigoted racist authoritarianism leads to. Read actual, truthful history.
Delete"What is the purpose of all the Left's ICE monitoring operations? To impede ICE, warn them that ICE is coming, and to help illegals ESCAPE capture. They get killed trying to escape ICE. Big surprise. And you blame ICE???"
DeleteWhat kind of person would write this? As I noted this is the neo-Nazi thinking that endorses summary executions of non-violent protestors. (Very BAD when Iran does it. Very GOOD when MAGA SS thugs do it.)
Nobody objects to deporting violent criminal immigrants, "legal" or not.
Racist authoritarian sociopaths are NOT making America great by tearing families apart, denying due process, and dumping non-violent human beings into concentration camps to be treated like animals and violent felons.
MAGA Jews and their fascist Criminal president are the cause of more needless cruelty and human suffering than the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and the Klan combined in these dark times.
Hell, yes, they are ALL racists.
"-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew
DeleteThe left is encouraging illegals to resist. What did you really expect?"
People are telling those who ICE is hunting down what their legal rights are.
You got a problem with that? You got a problem with people trying to protect immigrants from Trump's murderous thugs? If I were younger, I'd be out there doing that very thing.
Telling people their rights is NOT a crime.
What the Trump regime is doing to innocent and even the undocuments IS CRIMINAL.
As a supporter of authoritarian/totalitarian tactics, you've made yourself perfectly clear on what you expect Trump's thugs to do.
Neo-Nazis can't tell us who won the 2020 election. Loyalty to their Fuhrer and his Big Lie dictate it.
DeleteBut boy, do they love goose-stepping with Hitler in his labeling any opposition as "communist".
And what does every Nazi and neo-Nazi want to do to people they hate or call communists?
"Endlösung. Their final solution.
Nicht Wahr, Herr Juden Schutzstaffelfuhrer?
-FJ asked "The left is encouraging illegals to resist. What did you really expect?"
DeleteI don't agree. But to answer your question, I would not expect our government, a la Kent State, to kill them.
Trained officers almost never have instances like this. Maybe a little foresight, better planning and training, and adhering to the concept of good law enforcement would help.
Lots of people try to evade arrest. Living in So Cal for many years, I saw many police chases on KTLA over the years. I don't recall a single incident of a runner being shot.
Unless of course, they were black or hispanic.
the Dept of Homeland Security has reported, huh?
ReplyDeleteI know. I got a chuckle out of that!
DeleteIt would be more appropriately named if it were the Department of Homeland Discrimination and Treachery.
ReplyDeleteThey are, trump's brown shirts and they would make the Nazis of old very proud.
It's apparent from JoeCon's and -FJ's comments that they approve of the killings and mayhem perpetrated by Trump ICE thugs. They actually believe the Americans and legal immigrants being murdered deserve their fates.
DeleteWe know how history treats those who side with murderous regimes.
For those who care, obviously -FJ excluded, here's a searing The American Life that has actual 911 calls from people trying to ascertain what to do as ICE rolls through Charlotte late last year. The people, US citizens, are calling and asking what their rights are when confronted by unmarked vehicles, unidentified people with guns and more.
ReplyDeleteEveryone should give it a listen.
Let me turn -FJ's question a little, though I expect no answer...
What would you do -FJ, if you were confronted by people who looked like armed thugs, in unmarked vehicles, sometimes everyday mini vans, who essentially wanted to kidnap you?
Would you, a person who has in the past extolled the virtues of never trusting the government, trust those types of people?
You really don't get it. You really don't know what's coming. You haven't a clue. You really think the problems of Iran are going to stay in Iran much longer? The global jihad has only just begun.
DeleteWhen the thin bubble that protects you breaks, just remember. It was you who broke it.
DeleteHere's what I can say... One, this post has nothing to do with your Iran rant. But I agree with your words at the Mothership. Iran is a clusterf*#k, made worse by the same stupid president who has unleashed ICE on a non existent problem.
DeleteI admire your willingness to strongly criticize Z, but let's wait and see if she calls you nasty, bans you and is as critical of you as she has been of me.
Joe... are you telling -FJ it was him? I'm not getting who you're talking to/at.
DeleteOn a larger point, I don't know what the "it" is I don't get. At the end of the day, I'm a man of faith. My citizenship is not of this Kingdom. I work to make this place better for us while I'm here, but I've ultimately got to trust in my God.
DeleteThat's my "it". And so, I do get it.
The essence of things hoped for, the assurance of things not seen.
No M, I wasn't talking to myself. And yes, Z has come close to banning me before. Did you notice how silent the thread went?
DeleteIn fairness Joe... I did notice there was no response to your posts there. I think this... JOE: “JUST LEAVE NOW” and risk nuclear annihilation in our country? Her constant worry about being nuked, was her last response.
DeleteI'll admit, you summed up the Iran issues fairly well. But that crowd is not a fan of divergent views.
That "fools" remark might come back to bite you if you keep it up.
Mission accomplished, Herr Juden Schutzstaffelfuhrer? Untermensch have no place in Trump's Fourth Reich.
ReplyDeleteDetainees at ICE facility in Texas were beaten and abused, rights groups say
By Kanishka Singh
July 15, 2026
WASHINGTON, July 15 (Reuters) - Detainees at a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility in Texas told two rights groups they were beaten by guards, denied medical care and prevented from contacting family and lawyers, according to a report issued on Wednesday.
The report, issued by Human Rights Watch and the American Civil Liberties Union, spans dozens of pages and is based on 80 interviews HRW conducted with detainees that focused on conditions at Camp East Montana, which is located at the U.S. Army's Fort Bliss in El Paso.
"People detained at Camp East Montana reported routine beatings and other excessive force by guards, chronic malnutrition, and unsanitary and degrading living conditions," the report said, citing interviews. "Together, these abuses violate fundamental protections under U.S. and international human rights law."
This is why we can't have nice things... Both -FJ and Skud, regularly post, and we've all documented it, untrue statements as facts.
ReplyDeleteDid Pres Biden mistakenly allow way too many, by some accounts up to 2 million with more entering through legal means, like asylum claims? Yes and anyone who says no is in the same territory as Skud and -FJ.
But facts matter. At least they should, and both of those people have shown as disdain for facts, research and truth.
Opinions are fine. We all have them and we can all share them. But when we present them as fact, that's a problem.
At least, IMHO.
Now I understand why someone like -FJ might feel as he does about how the police or ICE treat people here illegally. Especially when he's have been conditioned to view some people as "invaders".
But what about US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights to peacefully assemble, or to protest? Does our federal government now have the right to shoot us too?
It seems that people like -FJ and Skud are arguing for the right of Americans to do whatever we need to do to stop the "invasion" or expel people who are here without our permission.
I wonder if they felt the Native Americans had that right also, or if it really does come down to "might makes right"?
Every protester aiding and abetting illegal immigration should be arrested and charged.
DeleteDeflection again. This post has nothing to do with aiding and abetting anyone. Why did you write that?
DeleteThe last two post are about Trump’s ICE agents killing an innocent young father, a LEGAL immigrant who was not breaking the law.
So you change the subject and deflect from the reality of the inhuman and wholly unAmerican tactics being used by Trump’s ICE agents.
IMO, they’re nothing more than armed and masked hooligans and killers, answerable to no one, and a plague on our American soil.
A majority of Americans reject what Trump and ICE are doing in our name.
AI Overview Polling shows that a majority of Americans reject the use of lethal force and aggressive tactics by federal immigration agents. Following fatal ICE shootings, nationwide surveys found that 61% of Americans believe ICE tactics have "gone too far" and a majority oppose the agency's use of physical force in these incidents.”
"Border Czar Tom Homan was caught by the FBI accepting bribes - on camera - to deliver government contracts in exchange for $50,000 in cash.
DeletePam Bondi knew. Kash Patel knew. Emil Bove knew.
And they made the investigation go away. A corrupt attempt to conceal brazen graft."
-FJ/JC: Homan is a HERO! Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Emil Bove are the BEST!
Tom Homan: " there's still gonna be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted."
-FJ/JC: Homan is a REAL American, eager to SHOOT Americans for daring to exercise their 1st Amendment rights...and Hitler did a lot of good things.
ICE is unpopular?
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National Approval: 49% of Americans approve of the demonstrations against the agency.
National Disapproval: 41% of Americans disapprove of these protests.
Undecided: The remaining 10% of the public holds a neutral or undecided stance.
Despite all the sycophantic media coverage of the protests, you're still below 50%
Americans largely disapprove of the actions of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents as recent enhanced enforcement operations spread to new cities across the country, a new PBS News/NPR/Marist Poll found. A majority say ICE is making Americans less safe, and a growing number believe the agency's actions have gone too far.
DeleteSix in 10 Americans disapprove of the job ICE is doing, while about 3 in 10 approve.
Once proud of America's government and its attempts to improve the quality of rights and life for its citizens I no longer can say this now the the anti liberty authoritarian trump regime and Project 2025 works their evil.
ReplyDeleteThe many faced racist white supremacist who visits here and keeps supporting and pushing the lies of Zionist Israel and its butcher Netanyahu, as well as those of the malignant narcissist liar trump simply proves how f'ing clueless he is.
ReplyDeleteHis vision of America is one of a fascist racist sh*thole.
Dave, Mistakenly allow should be invited in "While attempting to undo certain policies from the previous administration, he faced unprecedented levels of unauthorized arrivals at the U.S.-Mexico border."
ReplyDeleteMs. Shaw, I do agree that the actions of ICE is not warranted but neither is the actions of mayors refusing to assist ICE. Maybe if local law enforcement didn't throw up roadblocks to the apprehension of uninvited border crossers the violence would not be as prevalent.
Your same 61% support deportation of unauthorized immigrants.
"AI Overview Polling shows that about 61% of Americans support the deportation of unauthorized immigrants and agree that entering the country without permission breaks the law. However, these views are nuanced: while over 80% support deporting those convicted of violent crimes, the majority oppose deporting long-term, working undocumented immigrants."
Mayors and governors have the legal right to refuse to use state and local resources to assist, enforce, or participate in federal immigration operations. The U.S. Constitution's Tenth Amendment prevents the federal government from "commandeering" local and state officials to enforce federal laws
DeleteThese two posts are about ICE killing a young father who was in this country LEGALLY. ICE admitted they detained the wrong person. Their use of lethal force while armed and masked is highly suspect and unAmerican. They are not held accountable for the deaths of Americans and others they cause.
This is how I remember growing up hearing how Communist countries act, not a democracy; not America.
Communism, facism, and socialism, as well as democracy, when tainted by authoritarian power seeking and power hungry narcissistic individuals will produce what history has seen throughout recorded history. And under the fascist trump regime we are NOW witnessing it in America.
ReplyDeleteSen. Chris Murphy sharply criticized U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), claiming the agency has shot and killed 10 people since President Donald Trump returned to office and that 50 people have died in ICE detention. Murphy described ICE as a "killing machine," arguing the reported deaths should not be normalized. His remarks add to the ongoing political debate over immigration enforcement and federal detention policies.
ReplyDeleteNero derangement syndrome? Caligula worship? You would thing Hitler was the end of it. No such luck.
ReplyDeleteThe MIC, in essence, is a killing machine driven by the capitalist class profit motives of the capitalist industries that support it and its insatiable desire for war and destruction.
ReplyDeleteAll to bully the world in seeing and doing things that support the now declining American Empire and its genocidal butchers in the Zionist government of Israel.
Yes Mayors and governors have the legal right but by exercising that right they are placing their citizens in danger. Of course politics and optics plays a larger role than protecting their citizens. No one is being commandeered to enforce anything.
ReplyDeleteWhy are their protests and marches against ICE yet when a uninvited crosser commits a crime all you hear from the left is crickets
“Significantly more Americans are killed by gun violence than by undocumented immigrants. Gun violence accounts for tens of thousands of deaths in the U.S. annually, whereas comprehensive state studies show undocumented immigrants have homicide conviction rates considerably lower than native-born U.S. citizens.
DeleteFor context, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention typically reports tens of thousands of firearm-related deaths each year. Conversely, multi-year analyses—such as the peer-reviewed research on crime rates in Texas published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences—consistently find that undocumented immigrants have lower violent crime and homicide arrest rates than native-born citizens.”
Now, that doesn’t mean we should accept homicides by undocumented people. What I mean is that Americans ACCEPT firearm deaths in schools, churches, temples, theaters, etc., and then believe homicides by the undocumented are out of control. Why is that, Skud?
What have we done to protect the thousands and thousands of Americans from firearm deaths? Or are only the homicides by undocumented people appalling to Americans?
Bingo! Their political agenda (cons and republicans) takes precedent over truth itself. As well as life.
DeleteFJ ub above offers "No M, I wasn't talking to myself. And yes, Z has come close to banning me before. Did you notice how silent the thread went" Congratulations, man. That woman would ban Jesus for the Beatitudes.
ReplyDeleteThe mothership of continuous hate with a loyal small crew of cretans..
The majority of gun deaths are by suicide followed by homicide then we have other. Homicides rose sharply during the biden years so maybe he is to blame.
ReplyDeleteWhere do you get that Americans ACCEPT firearm deaths. I don't know one person who feels firearm deaths are OK.
Violence is on the rise because we have a broken legal system. 10 Year sentence out in 3. We accept that just like we accept lousy education, violence against LEO's. no discipline in schools and teach to the bottom instead of bringing up the bottom.
Khrushchev was right about America turning communist because we are to lazy to prevent it.
Ding! And up popped Mr. Know What He Diesn"t Know, skud. Conditioned to the hilt, he like joe con, -fj, and the sailors on the Mothership.are unwilling and therefore incapable of seeing or accepting anything outside their conditioning and false beliefs.
DeleteI don’t know what you’re talking about America going communist, but Trump and his thugs are killing Americans and legal immigrants in the streets. And putting other people in concentration camps.
DeleteI don’t know about you, but when I was growing up in America, that did not happen. Trump is an authoritarian. If anyone is turning America into a communist country, that would be Trump. Not the Democrats.
Communism is an economic system. A socialist system that in principal is a system that takes the levers of production and wealth control out of the hands of the exploitive, predatory, and manipulative capital class and puts power over the levers of production whete it belongs . In the hands of the working producing class where it belongs.
ReplyDeleteCommunism, socialism, democratic socialism can operate perfectly well. If only the capital class (1-3 percent) would allow it. It will however never willingly stop extracting wealth from the proletariat and funneling wealth accumulation to their own.
It is authoritarian policies and dictatorial control by the few that gave late 19th century and 2oth century it "bad" name. But hey, our fascist president, his fascist party, and the fascist American capital class is just as authoritarian and lacking in true compassion and empathy.
The capitalist west IS in decline. And ur WILL ultimately be tw vehicle of its own destruction.
Ms. Shaw, I will use a term from long ago. Back in the day our politicians were not an elite class and worked to make America better for all. Now they are the elite class and their only action is to attack the other party and to hell with the citizens. Tip oneil would actually work with the republicans to get things done now all the speaker does is protect the sitting president and that has been going on for several administrations.
ReplyDeleteTrump is like a virus and is infecting everything. Fortunately his time is limited and his supporters are thinning so there is a chance to rebuild the country. It would be nice to have two candidates who are qualified to lead unlike the last two elections but time will tell.
skud: Part of the problem.
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