tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post4523339561181911866..comments2024-03-28T09:24:26.163-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: Cliff NotesShaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-15598514072238631962013-01-06T18:37:35.295-05:002013-01-06T18:37:35.295-05:00One thing I do enjoy as a simply and unintended ...One thing I do enjoy as a simply and unintended benefit of visiting this fine site is the comic relief it occasionally offers by such astute and wise commentary as above. LMFAO!!Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-87343179492148424842013-01-06T13:31:59.420-05:002013-01-06T13:31:59.420-05:00RN's comment supports what he has been saying ...RN's comment supports what he has been saying for years. "Obama economics is the same as Hitler economics" is how he wrote it on his blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-39058403656018420872013-01-06T12:30:31.613-05:002013-01-06T12:30:31.613-05:00I like and respect Bernie Sanders. He is one of t...I like and respect Bernie Sanders. He is one of the few honest men in DC, although I frequently disagree with him.<br /><br />I will state it again, since you seem deaf, that old world left and right have no relevance to our discussions of contemporary American politics.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-4833450960126608882013-01-06T10:58:16.409-05:002013-01-06T10:58:16.409-05:00Les,
Thank you for your lucid comment of substance...Les,<br />Thank you for your lucid comment of substance.<br /><br />SF,<br />Thank you for the additional accusation. Yes, to your mind I'm the fool for not seeing both Hitler and Bernie Sanders as socialists. Not that you would compare the two, right?Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-79895129279273940922013-01-06T00:34:43.586-05:002013-01-06T00:34:43.586-05:00Facism is an economic system that allows private ...Facism is an economic system that allows private ownership of business and the means of production. However it is tightly controlled and regulated by the state.<br /><br />In this sense the USA is more closely aligned with a facist economy than a socialist or communist economic system which is one in which the state owns the means of production.<br /><br />To date anyway the USA has never had a dictator and as long as we have and maintain the integrity of our Constitution we never will.<br /><br />Buy we are correct to maintain a healthy distrust of government. Why? Because government is made up of people, and people are by nature prone to power. At least many are and to think otherwise is naive to say the least. The framers realized this, hence our Constitution and system of checks and balances.<br /><br />What those who value and cherish liberty have by far more to fear from the Patriot Act , the far right, and the socons than they do Obama.<br /><br />So Dave, I don't know if this helped anybody bit you asked. So there you have it.<br /><br />By the way, I am keeping my fingers crossed for a Huntsman/ Johnson or a Johnson/ Huntsman team up on the Libertarian Ticket in 2016. <br /> Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-67301405974176633542013-01-05T20:23:41.756-05:002013-01-05T20:23:41.756-05:00Dave: I've answered your ridiculous blabberin...Dave: I've answered your ridiculous blabberings over and over and you come back with irrelevancies about money in politics.<br /><br />Far from defensive, I've tried to engage you in conversation and hopefully enlighten you, but I see that it is futile.<br /><br />What statistic? Annualized growth rate in per-capita GDP. Have you not been paying attention?<br /><br />Your crackpot theories about rightwing authoritarians, while amusing, does not explain why leftwing authoritarian dictators killed over 100,000,000 people in the 20th century.<br /><br />There's no fool like an old fool...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-5069717224150729792013-01-05T16:06:32.223-05:002013-01-05T16:06:32.223-05:00SF,
foolishly latch onto one statistic
I know...SF,<br /><br /><i> foolishly latch onto one statistic </i><br /><br />I know this is futile.... What “one statistic” would that be?<br /><br />So again, Napoleon, who has the “more equal’ right to free speech by money in our politics? (Care to help out on this one, Les?)<br /><br /><i>A dictator can be of any ideology whatsoever.</i><br /><br />On your authority I take it? You are wrong. <br /><br />No, there’s never been a democratic socialist dictator. You see democracy, like unions, is the enemy of dictatorships, fascism, communism, and of course American Republicans. See Dick Cheney for what Republican dictator would look like if we didn’t have a Constitution that forced him out of power. Tax cuts for the rich, wars of choice and austerity for the rest or us. <br /><br />And sorry, corporatism is NOT socialism. <br /><br /><i>“However, as the “corporate state” was put into effect in <a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/138442/corporatism" rel="nofollow"> fascist </a> Italy between World Wars I and II, it reflected the will of the country's dictator, Benito Mussolini.” </i><br /><br />---<br /><br />Why doesn’t any “conservative” answer any of my questions or offer any real information? <br /><br />Why so defensive, along with unfounded accusations?<br /><br />Their <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1342239/Brain-study-reveals-right-wing-conservatives-larger-primitive-amygdala.html" rel="nofollow"> amygdala </a> (Latin, corpus amygdaloideum) fear center is apparently overactive. <br /><br />The science is there. Authoritarian Right Wingers have a more pronounced amygdala. This explains why we went to war over fictional WMD’s and fabricated “ties to al-Qaeda”. It explains wild-eyed fears of Obama the Marxist Kenyan. It explains a racist’s fears of others. It explains why FOX(R) Limbaugh and other fear factories are so prominent in corporate media. <br /><br />And it explains their quick to fight and flight reflexes where they spew accusations, then run away from them.<br />Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-50357672406175702462013-01-05T12:45:25.358-05:002013-01-05T12:45:25.358-05:00SF,
We are not talking about where you want to liv...SF,<br />We are not talking about where you want to live. We talking about whose policies produce the greatest economic growth. The analysis that I presented cover about 80 years of economic data and 13 different presidents. It is hardly "one statistic". It shows that Reagan had the fifth best growth behind four Democratic presidents and that overall economic growth under Democratic presidential leadership was several times the growth under republican presidential leadership.<br /><br />Now, fifth is bad. It is the best of the republicans, and better than Carter, the only Democrat that didn't do better than Reagan. So, if you only compare Reagan to other republicans, then yes Reagan did great....but most Democratic presidents did better.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-58960938162314892282013-01-05T12:09:36.662-05:002013-01-05T12:09:36.662-05:00Well said Silvet, and accurate.Well said Silvet, and accurate.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-70785611721744687302013-01-05T09:19:26.641-05:002013-01-05T09:19:26.641-05:00One can foolishly latch onto one statistic and sho...One can foolishly latch onto one statistic and shout, aha! But pan out an look at the larger context, reality, and it becomes obviously foolish.<br /><br />The final test is, would you rather live in FDR's 1930's or Reagan's 1980's and Clinton's 1990's? For the sane person not eaten up with ideology and partisanship, the answer is an easy one.<br /><br />Dave, it pains me to have to continue to educate you, but here it goes...<br /><br />A dictator can be of any ideology whatsoever.<br /><br />Hitler and Mussolini were fascists, and Mussolini was a Socialist, and Hitler indeed melded nationalism with his own brand of socialism<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party<br /><br />I know it's hard for some on the left to put down their crayons and look beyond black and white, but yes, extreme rightwingers at one time did adopt leftwing policies. The economic policies of Italy's fascist government were socialist.<br /><br />What does this have to do with us today in America?<br /><br />Absolutely nothing.<br /><br />I do not throw these terms around lightly, although I do employ them at times when I see a historical parallel. <br /><br />I try to avoid the term fascist because it is inflammatory, so I prefer Statist or Corporatist, and I apply it almost equally to both parties, since they are so hard to distinguish nowadays.<br /><br />So have fun with your "Four Legs (Liberal, Democrat) Good, Two Legs (Conservative, Republican) Bad" blinders. <br /><br />We all need to find our happy place.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-3606842303607248452013-01-05T00:22:11.103-05:002013-01-05T00:22:11.103-05:00SF said "Dave: Talk to your buddy Jerry. He&#...SF said "Dave: Talk to your buddy Jerry. He's the one saying FDR's economy was better than the Reagan/Clinton economy."<br /><br />SF,<br />Once again you misrepresent what i said. I did not say the economy was better. I said the economy grew faster under FDR than under Reagan. And I did not combine the Reagan and Clinton economies, although doing so makes Reagan look better since the economy grew faster under Clinton than Reagan, as it did under LBJ and JKF also. In fact if you split FDR into two parts, 1940 and earlier and 1941 and later, Reagan becomes number six.<br /><br />Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-61213450740301261302013-01-04T17:36:23.115-05:002013-01-04T17:36:23.115-05:00Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were socialists.
And...<i>Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were socialists.</i><br /><br />And you never called liberals socialists?? LOL!<br /><br />Those guys were called dictators, sonny. Two were fascists, one a communist. Sheesh...<br /><br />You are wrong, and you never apologize when proven wrong either. You never did show where I was "slinging around Hitler comparisons" did you?<br /><br />No, of course not. No need to apologize. We know you think it is evil and Obama-like to do so in your cult.<br /><br />And to prove you can't teach someone something he does not want to learn:<br /><br />FDR cut the unemployment level left him by Republicans in half in his first term. <br /><br />FDR Unemployment rates (Bureau of Labor Statistics) <br /><br />1933 - 24.9%<br /><br />1934 – 21.7%<br /><br />1935- 20.1%<br /><br />1936 – 17%<br /><br />1937 - 14.3%<br /><br />Under pressure from Republicans FDR cut spending and the rate went back up in '38, only to be reduced again.<br /><br />Keep chugging your koolade. It amuses me.<br />Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-43533122894191060102013-01-04T15:18:19.637-05:002013-01-04T15:18:19.637-05:00OK, SF. Lets forget FDR for the moment. That mak...OK, SF. Lets forget FDR for the moment. That makes Reagan number four with three Democratic presidents in front of him...and they did not have to TRIPLE the federal debt to accomplish their economic growth.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-61240434197101834182013-01-04T14:03:19.818-05:002013-01-04T14:03:19.818-05:00Dave, you show yourself to be a fool by leveling a...Dave, you show yourself to be a fool by leveling accusation that are not only untrue, but that you have no way of verifying.<br /><br />I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, although I have nothing against him.<br /><br />I also do not watch FOX news, which I also have nothing against.<br /><br />So go ahead, tell me I'm wrong, and then prove it, old man. Teach this sonny boy a lesson. It will be fun to watch.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-29157483525681493132013-01-04T13:25:32.545-05:002013-01-04T13:25:32.545-05:00And Dave shows himself again to be either demented...And Dave shows himself again to be either demented or in possession of poor reading comprehension.<br /><br />I said that I do not compares history's leftists to today's American liberals.<br /><br />Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were socialists.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-10541662459658796752013-01-04T13:23:16.493-05:002013-01-04T13:23:16.493-05:00Dave: Talk to your buddy Jerry. He's the one...Dave: Talk to your buddy Jerry. He's the one saying FDR's economy was better than the Reagan/Clinton economy.<br /><br />Have fun with yourselves.<br /><br />FDR took a panic and turned it into a decade-long debacle, but it was good for progressivism, wasn't it?<br /><br />Nothing like a good crisis to lock in some more statism.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-33214300210846545922013-01-04T12:22:20.373-05:002013-01-04T12:22:20.373-05:00we all know what happened in FDR's 30's. I...<i>we all know what happened in FDR's 30's. It was a mess. I think they called it a depression.</i>.<br /><br />I don't think you know anything. You think Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were liberals.<br /><br />Honestly, unless it's from FOX(R) and Limbaugh, you have nothing to say. Your hate is quite clear, though. <br /><br />FDR was left a collapsed market (1929) and depression by Republican Administration under Hoover. Obama was left a collapsed market (Sept. 2008) and recession by a Republican Administration under Bush.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-5317962798964814422013-01-04T11:31:20.399-05:002013-01-04T11:31:20.399-05:00FAT FINGER I guess, it should read FDR, not JFK.FAT FINGER I guess, it should read FDR, not JFK.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-6500692006876876242013-01-04T10:21:59.730-05:002013-01-04T10:21:59.730-05:00Jerry: Go to any government site and look at econ...Jerry: Go to any government site and look at economic data. <br /><br />Reagan's 80's, followed by the Clinton 90's was an unprecedented time for our economy, and we all know what happened in FDR's 30's. It was a mess. I think they called it a depression.<br /><br />But continue defending the indefensible, and I'll continue to laugh at you.<br /><br />Dan Marino was a great quarterback, but he won no superbowls. Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-27284438708902213542013-01-04T08:46:36.859-05:002013-01-04T08:46:36.859-05:00Jerry, I understood your point. I will comment tha...Jerry, I understood your point. I will comment that JFK's policies were largely a continuation and expansion of policies of Hoover. It is likely had Hoover been reelected results would have been similar.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-49127552356278387822013-01-04T08:38:37.858-05:002013-01-04T08:38:37.858-05:00Dave, I acknowledge the economic expansion would h...Dave, I acknowledge the economic expansion would have been more impressive had the government balanced the budgrt and paid down debt.<br /><br />I also acknowledge that what occurred under Clinton was impressive. Of course the rEpublicans had a significant impact on that happening. Then along came GWB and Iraq, tax cuts, and later Obama. And we now have what we have.<br /><br />Obama and the Congress have an opportunity to recreate these success of Clinton's tenure. It's not like I'll be holding my breath or anything.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-18025204440485069852013-01-04T00:48:34.612-05:002013-01-04T00:48:34.612-05:00Well, SF, I've shown you my data. Lets see yo...Well, SF, I've shown you my data. Lets see yours. So far all you have given is opinion and ridicule. That and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-66086992193761811692013-01-03T20:27:56.713-05:002013-01-03T20:27:56.713-05:00Jerry: What you showed was that it is always poss...Jerry: What you showed was that it is always possible to pluck a statistical kernel of truth from a pile of manure.<br /><br />Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-14343007008432461612013-01-03T16:29:34.751-05:002013-01-03T16:29:34.751-05:00SF,
You are putting words in my mouth. I never sa...SF,<br />You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that the " 1930's were better economically than the 1980's". What I showed was that the economy grew faster under four democratic presidents than under Reagan. So, if you are going to say "Reagan created a great economic expansion", you must acknowledge that four other Democratic presidents created an even greater economic expansion than Reagan.Jerry Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01870618647449723147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-81497301007284110522013-01-03T15:23:31.388-05:002013-01-03T15:23:31.388-05:00It is absurd to say the 1930's were better eco...It is absurd to say the 1930's were better economically than the 1980's.<br /><br />You pet bear proves out Mark Twain's lies, damn lies and statistics quote.Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.com