tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post5215220541318745246..comments2024-03-28T06:56:40.727-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: The Conservative Political Hacks in Black Robes on the SCOTUSShaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-52963583841718824932012-04-06T12:45:15.967-04:002012-04-06T12:45:15.967-04:00RN, have I ever called you a "right wing wack...RN, have I ever called you a "right wing wacko, wing-nut, fascist?<br /><br />Bottom line, here is where I stand on things...<br /><br />The left has used the courts over the years to get political outcomes that would have been slow in coming through the legislative process. A good example of this is of course, Brown v. Topeka, argued by the great Thurgood Marshall.<br /><br />For years the right has argued that this decision, and many others, specifically from the Warren Court, were decisions of judicial activism and deviated from a strict constitutionalist stance.<br /><br />That's fine. I do not agree with that, but I do not have to.<br /><br />Now we have a president who, in the face of a party who had stated goals to make him a failure and a strategy to oppose every piece of legislation he proposed, manages to get a national health care plan passed.<br /><br />This plan, modeled on a GOP plan from MA, and along a basic outline, with a coverage mandate, of an earlier GOP plan was opposed by the GOP, at least in appearance, solely because it was proposed by Barack Obama.<br /><br />As part of the GOP plan to derail the legislation that we all know they would have supported had the president been named Bush, they took the plan to the Supreme Court.<br /><br />Now they are asking SCOTUS to invalidate a law that was duly passed by Congress.<br /><br />As the left has rightly brought up the hypocrisy of the GOP stance, once again favoring the same thing they criticize the Dems for, the GOP crowd has changed language.<br /><br />You RN, and those on your site are good examples. Along with Silverfiddle, you and your group have looked past the blatant hypocrisy and are saying that this is a corrective to over reach by Congress, and it is okay to use the court in that manner.<br /><br />Please tell me how the determination is made between judicial activism and a constitutional corrective and why when Dems essentially do the same thing, it is activism, and when the GOP does it, it is a corrective?<br /><br />Les, I know you are uncomfortable with activism from either side. You have stated that and I respect consistency.<br /><br />And your statement about activism being defined by either side is sadly accurate.<br /><br />As an aside, I haven't been called Bucko in many a year...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-24219360270145279632012-04-05T21:52:34.746-04:002012-04-05T21:52:34.746-04:00RN, Dave didn't use those terms to characteriz...RN, Dave didn't use those terms to characterize you. BTW, speaking of terms, didn't you use these terms over at your place?: "partisan progressive utopian la-la juice."<br /><br />La-la juice? Is that something you get at a juice bar in Santa Monica?Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-91512982953890846372012-04-05T20:09:47.855-04:002012-04-05T20:09:47.855-04:00Dave, I will not repeat his again. I do not have a...Dave, I will not repeat his again. I do not have a side, nor do I plan on voting for the side you in your apparent wisdom have chosen to place me on. <br /><br />If I supported 50, 75, 90, or 100 percent of your views what would in your opinion be enough that I would no longer be a "right wing wacko, wing-nut, fascist?<br /><br />Get me point bucko? Know I have more important things to do.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-31905297411027078642012-04-05T18:55:31.748-04:002012-04-05T18:55:31.748-04:00shaw you've attracted another name-calling tro...shaw you've attracted another name-calling troll to your blog. funny isn't it how they can't make an argument so they resort to asshatery. Talk about stupid.A nice anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-24814330499144310672012-04-05T16:10:59.194-04:002012-04-05T16:10:59.194-04:00Shaw, as much as RN may want to claim a rational v...Shaw, as much as RN may want to claim a rational viewpoint, the simple fact that he generally supports the GOP, which currently has no rational core, shows his true colors.<br /><br />Let's stipulate, for the moment, that the left is guilty of judicial activism.<br /><br />The GOP has for years decried that, as you have pointed out.<br /><br />However, now that the GOP has a law they want interpreted differently, suddenly judicial activism is seen as a corrective on an unconstitutional law.<br /><br />Les, whether or not the left favor, or participate in judicial activism is not what Shaw, or any other intelligent lefty is saying.<br /><br />We are calling your side hypocrites for only objecting to the practice when our side practices it.<br /><br />Consistency, and indeed a core belief, on the part of the GOP would dictate a hands off response from the conservative side, wouldn't it?<br /><br />Now before you go into the standard "it is not activism when you are striking down an unconstitutional law" line, let's remember, as I pointed out on your blog awhile back, that GOP partisans even felt left leaning activism against racism was also wrong.<br /><br />Many on the right, to this day, hold that the court had no right to intervene in Brown v. Topeka. Their view was that if the law was wrong, we should amend the Constitution.<br /><br />All this is just another excuse to try and change the rules of interpretation to fit the needs of the right.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-17563125791867068042012-04-05T11:35:17.056-04:002012-04-05T11:35:17.056-04:00I've been hanging out on this earth of ours fo...I've been hanging out on this earth of ours for more decades than I want to announce to the world. This nonsense that "liberals" do it too is just bullshit. It's like having a conversation with Bob Schieffer! Where's the proof?<br /><br />Not only are the 4 +- 1 totally corrupt and unethical, they are appallingly small minded and simply do not possess the breadth of knowledge necessary to uphold the Constitution and the rights of the people one would normally expect from members of the highest court. In fact, they are more reminiscent of small time judges in the rural South. Worst of all, they don't care - as Maddow explains in this video.<br /><br />http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/46875101#46875101Leslie Parsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13743778482517634823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-82186630046093795592012-04-05T11:19:10.368-04:002012-04-05T11:19:10.368-04:00louboy, the Sotomayor ruling had nothing to do wit...louboy, the Sotomayor ruling had nothing to do with overruling legislation by the US Congress, so I don't understand your comment here.<br /><br />My point about "judicial activism" is that the conservatives HOWLED about it when liberals supposedly engaged in it, and are silent now that the conservative justices engage in it.<br /><br />A double standard.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-3597918417147566002012-04-05T11:07:48.334-04:002012-04-05T11:07:48.334-04:00I meant "recuse" themselves(slapping sel...I meant "recuse" themselves(slapping self)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-86598990572942600082012-04-05T11:06:23.625-04:002012-04-05T11:06:23.625-04:00No Judicial activism here
or let's be fair wh...No Judicial activism <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTJqGYzYmPjE" rel="nofollow">here</a><br /><br />or let's be fair when you want justices to recluse <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/12/obamacare_and_the_supreme_court_should_elena_kagan_recuse_herself_.html" rel="nofollow">themselves</a><br /><br />louboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-59820067088498897252012-04-05T10:36:03.573-04:002012-04-05T10:36:03.573-04:00I guess my point is "judicial activism" ...I guess my point is "judicial activism" is apparently defined by the side being judicially active. And it seems to be quite partial to the side that is guilty of being activists.<br /><br />There are plenty examples but why discuss settled decisions, ie: law?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-75628901768158916442012-04-05T10:30:37.004-04:002012-04-05T10:30:37.004-04:00The conservative S.C. is on a collision course wit...The conservative S.C. is on a collision course with the executive and legislative branches.Ray Cranstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774617992524125630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-82488670724568310362012-04-05T08:16:10.753-04:002012-04-05T08:16:10.753-04:00Infidel, it appears that the only rebuttal the tw...Infidel, it appears that the only rebuttal the two conservatives who commented here have is that "you do it too!"<br /><br />[The anonymous troll comment was deleted.]Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-79353427004165393172012-04-05T08:13:48.018-04:002012-04-05T08:13:48.018-04:00RN, can you give me an example of the wife of a ju...RN, can you give me an example of the wife of a justice being blatantly political and campaigning for the repeal of legislation?<br /><br />Aside from that, you've asked the wrong question. It is the conservatives who have railed against judicial activism in the past and complained about a liberal bias in the court. Now that they're participating in what they've denounced, the conservative purists who detest judicial activistism are silent.<br /><br />I don't recall a court in my lifetime as nakedly partisan as this court is.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-79185660221942120772012-04-05T00:46:27.288-04:002012-04-05T00:46:27.288-04:00Any outrage when liberal judicial activism is at p...Any outrage when liberal judicial activism is at play Shaw? Or is it only when it has a conservative face? Just asking. Aren't all justices supposed to be impartial?Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-14691988184128716372012-04-04T22:16:50.803-04:002012-04-04T22:16:50.803-04:00Remarkable -- they're hardly trying to hide it...Remarkable -- they're hardly trying to hide it any more.<br /><br />This needs to be more widely known -- and we need to make sure that no Republican is sent to the White House to make judicial appointments any time soon.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.com