tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post5783759130240401787..comments2024-03-18T15:03:58.758-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: An Open Letter to Obama Haters, by Terry Ungod GonzalesShaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-70560335999680429802014-11-29T00:37:56.874-05:002014-11-29T00:37:56.874-05:00Because he made history being the first african am...Because he made history being the first african american President of the United States of America. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-7736521640410224172012-04-11T19:10:46.776-04:002012-04-11T19:10:46.776-04:00Children blessing President Bush and speaking in t...Children blessing President Bush and speaking in tongues.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg" rel="nofollow">Jesus Camp</a>Alma Schindlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-26635109154201683712012-04-11T18:06:21.649-04:002012-04-11T18:06:21.649-04:00These kids Love ObamaThese kids Love <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BAfKCfu74&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">Obama</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-48844093960760764992012-04-10T17:04:45.457-04:002012-04-10T17:04:45.457-04:00You got it Tim... it's like the time I left a ...You got it Tim... it's like the time I left a question on a certain malcontented bloggers site asking what solution he had to a specific problem and I got this response...<br /><br />"it's not my job to have solutions, that's for Obama"<br /><br />I learned long ago that those who choose to not be part of the solution, are really part of the problem.<br /><br />That is where Anon is choosing to be... it's really an unhappy place...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-88427513622731173252012-04-10T16:43:39.709-04:002012-04-10T16:43:39.709-04:00So Dave, I guess this Anon quoting Geitner (out of...So Dave, I guess this Anon quoting Geitner (out of context, I might add)doesn't really care as long as Obama is defeated. Republicans have NO OTHER GOALS. Arguing with them is a total waste of time.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07614691324815885803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-73089387141683852122012-04-10T16:30:15.660-04:002012-04-10T16:30:15.660-04:00Some character with a bad case of GOP talking poin...Some character with a bad case of GOP talking points diarrhea who lacks the cojones to give his name opined:<br /><br /><i>". . .liberals live in the moment with no concern a about the future."</i><br /><br />You're saying George W. Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney are liberals? (Credibility implosion complete.)S.W. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16521540043304710796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-9673141602159684132012-04-10T16:23:37.504-04:002012-04-10T16:23:37.504-04:00I will quote Geitner "We don't have a pla...I will quote Geitner "We don't have a plan we just don't like yours"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-90529876539047946442012-04-10T15:46:32.951-04:002012-04-10T15:46:32.951-04:00Anon, again you missed the point...
You are like ...Anon, again you missed the point...<br /><br />You are like the Irrational Opposition people in Rebecca Costa's book "Watchman's Rattle" who are content to voice their anger with no real solutions.<br /><br />Your anger is real... <br /><br />But instead of staying in that space, what realistic solutions do you propose? And what can we realistically do to accomplish those solutions?<br /><br />This is real world stuff... not the "just cut spending" stuff that passes for solutions from so many people...<br /><br />Looking forward to seeing what ideas you have.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-90831074054450538772012-04-10T14:22:01.399-04:002012-04-10T14:22:01.399-04:00Like I said,60 billion here,60 billion there for u...Like I said,60 billion here,60 billion there for unions or crony green companiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-2986335789252542312012-04-10T14:11:29.832-04:002012-04-10T14:11:29.832-04:0080 million out of work,record gas prices and taxes...80 million out of work,record gas prices and taxes for Obamacare hasn't even kicked in yet. If that is success then well you know the rest. So glad Obama is looking out for the middle class. At least you know how to fantisizeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-77702190781405745762012-04-10T14:10:39.514-04:002012-04-10T14:10:39.514-04:00Anon, there is no way the Automakers could have re...Anon, there is no way the Automakers could have reorganized without government help.<br /><br />The banks refused to lend the money necessary to make a structured bankruptcy work.<br /><br />It took the government, under the direction of Presidents Bush and Obama, against the wishes of the GOP, to make this work.<br /><br />There are few economists that believe saving GM and Chrysler, and thousands of jobs connected to those companies, could have been done without government help.<br /><br />Everytime this issue comes up, people like you bring up a non governmental aided bankruptcy, but fail to address the central question...<br /><br />Where was the money going to come from to facilitate this bankruptcy?<br /><br />Unless and until that question gets answered, there really is little to discuss.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-35560278522125270742012-04-10T12:22:10.197-04:002012-04-10T12:22:10.197-04:00And what would those values be? Life,liberty and t...And what would those values be? Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Wow what unusual valuesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-50419755570815138842012-04-10T10:01:40.668-04:002012-04-10T10:01:40.668-04:00"You forgot welfare and as LBJ said "I&#..."You forgot welfare and as LBJ said "I'll have those n---- voting democrat for the next 200 years" But hey as long as he did other things so called liberals like he gets the "typical pass" like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd right?"<br /><br />What this "Anonymous" commenter fails to understand--and never will--is that the important thing is that the legislation was passed, not what a<br />southerner said about it. Also, this commenter obviously doesn't read history, otherwise, she would have known how many of our exhalted presidents spoke condescendingly like that about African-Americans. We have a long and sordid racist history, and it will be many more years before we're rid of it--if ever.<br /><br />To foolishly single out one or two politicians to make a point about racist Democrats is stupid and shows a complete ignorance of racism in BOTH political parties in American history. <br /><br />But right now, in the 21st century, a majority of African Americans find the Democratic Party more attunded to their values than they do the GOP--you know, the party that harbors state chairmen and federal judges who pass around racist emails about the POTUS and FLOTUS.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-12837273773545015442012-04-10T09:54:15.699-04:002012-04-10T09:54:15.699-04:00"They could have reorganized without taxpayer..."They could have reorganized without taxpayer money like most chapter 11's. But this was more about the unions and less about anything else."<br /><br />No. It was about saving American jobs. Immediately. The unions cooperated and made many concessions in order for it to work.<br /><br />It worked. And conservatives hate the success story because it happened on Obama's watch.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-11680518264799571012012-04-10T07:57:23.717-04:002012-04-10T07:57:23.717-04:00You forgot welfare and as LBJ said "I'll ...You forgot welfare and as LBJ said "I'll have those n---- voting democrat for the next 200 years" But hey as long as he did other things so called liberals like he gets the "typical pass" like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-54060226128385729832012-04-10T07:50:34.772-04:002012-04-10T07:50:34.772-04:00They could have reorganized without taxpayer money...They could have reorganized without taxpayer money like most chapter 11's. But this was more about the unions and less about anything elseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-932080806460533772012-04-10T07:40:26.733-04:002012-04-10T07:40:26.733-04:00Is that why Liberals helped pass the Women's S...Is that why Liberals helped pass the Women's Suffrage legislation? Social Security? Medicare? Civil Rights?<br /><br />Those weren't about the future, were they.Eleanor R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-28696665169447415872012-04-10T07:09:46.194-04:002012-04-10T07:09:46.194-04:00Oh yeah that'll work for a few years give or t...Oh yeah that'll work for a few years give or take. But then again liberals live in the moment with no concern a about the futureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-3762565687946597532012-04-10T05:02:43.132-04:002012-04-10T05:02:43.132-04:00Billy Pilgrim wrote: ". . .the auto industry ...Billy Pilgrim wrote: <i>". . .the auto industry was bailed out but the bond holders were screwed out their money because obama put the autoworkers ahead of the bond holders."</i><br /><br />That Republican talking point is like Freddy Kreuger. No matter how many times it gets killed, it comes back.<br /><br />If a company folds its tent and goes out of business, any cash it has and the proceeds from selling off its assets go to paying those the company owes. Creditors come first, then bondholders, then stockholders. But GM and Chrysler didn't go out of business. The automakers reorganized under court supervision. In those circumstances bondholders typically suffer some loss. And that's without any government bailout, and without any executive branch supervision, just the courts.<br /><br />Why would the courts make bondholders get a haircut? Probably because paying off bondholders would bankrupt the companies, and the objective was to save the companies.<br /><br />Why would autoworkers get some incentives in the effort to save the automakers? First, because for years the UAW and other industry unions have made big, costly and painful concessions to help keep the companies going. And, the auto workers' cooperation was vital to getting the companies back on their feet.<br /><br />You can say bondholders got screwed, but the fact is bond investing is not the ultra-low-risk proposition some people claim and others want to believe it is.S.W. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16521540043304710796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-68365212860758540622012-04-10T04:32:44.789-04:002012-04-10T04:32:44.789-04:00Anonymous wrote: ". . .Just tax the rich, bla...Anonymous wrote: <i>". . .Just tax the rich, blame it on Bush, keep helping 'hard working families' and create another million government jobs."</i><br /><br />Excellent plan. Let's get on with it.S.W. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16521540043304710796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-71926899728292262622012-04-09T20:58:58.555-04:002012-04-09T20:58:58.555-04:00the auto industry was bailed out but the bond hold...the auto industry was bailed out but the bond holders were screwed out their money because obama put the autoworkers ahead of the bond holders. people buy bonds as a safe conservative investment because the "secured" creditors are supposed to be at the top of the list when it comes to claims on assets.<br /><br />other than that it was a good decision.billy pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00128876723713271131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-83608034599803318112012-04-09T19:30:11.097-04:002012-04-09T19:30:11.097-04:00Henry B.
Guess ya don't read many true conser...Henry B.<br /><br />Guess ya don't read many true conservative or libertarian writers (thinkers). You're certainly talking about the big "R" statist republicans though!Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-62655914730934176742012-04-09T19:09:05.644-04:002012-04-09T19:09:05.644-04:00Isn't it interesting, shaw, how the righties n...Isn't it interesting, shaw, how the righties never bellowed about Pres. Bush waging two wars off the books. They're angry about billions being spent only when liberals do it. Frikken hypocrites, the lot of themHenry B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-23901902210026386392012-04-09T15:56:21.349-04:002012-04-09T15:56:21.349-04:00"I guess it is too early to tell. If Chrysler..."I guess it is too early to tell. If Chrysler and GM fail after a few years and Ford is extremely successful how would that look?"<br /><br />Why do conservatives always deal in negative hypotheticals? <br /><br />Oh. Wait. I know why: They're royally p.o.'d because by helping GM avoid bankruptcy, and therefore, saving thousands and thousands of American jobs, Mr. Obama made the right decision, and that pisses off the right; since more than helping Americans, conservatives wish to destroy a presidency.<br /><br /> So Ford didn't need a bail out? Good for them. Obama should have gambled on thousands and thousands of American jobs, making the recession even more miserable than it was?<br /><br />Well Obama gambled and bailed out GM. GM made a profit and is paying back the loan. Thousands of American jobs were saved.<br /><br />And you, Anon, come here and bitch about it?<br /><br />It's all about hating to see this president succeed. There's no other reason I can think of that would compel an American--if that's what you are--to come here and piss and moan about a success story that benefited Americans and their families.<br /><br />Take your mean-spirited Randian-based complaints to FAUX NOOZ and the rest of the Obama haters. They'll love hearing you tell them how much you hate this success story.<br /><br />S.W.,<br /><br />You're correct. People like this Anon who came here to bitch about a success story have bought into a fabricated demon--thanks to FAUX NOOZ and people like that swine, Rush Limbaugh. And whenever there's an Obama success story, their first reaction is to denigrate it or pretend someone or something else was responsible for the success--i.e., the death of bin Laden and how the resentful right never gave Obama credit for it.<br /><br />There's nothing Mr. Obama can do to make them like him, so I say, fang'em! Why try. Ignore the malcontents. They contribute absolutely nothing to helping America recover from the disasterous Bush years.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-24372038492830163092012-04-09T10:48:29.552-04:002012-04-09T10:48:29.552-04:00"The auto industry has recovered. GM is makin..."The auto industry has recovered. GM is making profits now; it was on the brink of bankruptcy when Obama took office"<br /><br />For a measly 60 billion we saved a million jobs. Like nobody would make autos anymore.<br />How is Ford doing without any of that measly 60 billion? How many workers have they fired? How does their future look in comparison to GM and Chrysler? I guess it is too early to tell. If Chrysler and GM fail after a few years and Ford is extremely successful how would that look? <br />Do we come up with another measly 60 Billion?<br />Oh what the hell, 60 billion here, 60 billion there. Just tax the rich, blame it on Bush, keep helping "hard working families"and create another million government jobs. <br />What company wouldn't take that deal?<br />Any company or for that mater any family would be doing better if they got handed as Elena Kegan would say "A boatload of cash"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com