tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post6520073812409658047..comments2024-03-18T15:03:58.758-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: STOP THE MADNESS!Shaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-80397928817241724432009-09-07T12:45:43.610-04:002009-09-07T12:45:43.610-04:00Libhom,
I can see why you might think so at first...Libhom,<br /><br />I can see why you might think so at first glance, but in fact, they are fascists. Charismatic leader, favor a high degree of state control over the economy, politics as a substitute for religion, truth explicitly defined as whatever serves the cause; all classic fascist attributes.Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-5797177008166669252009-09-07T12:29:41.746-04:002009-09-07T12:29:41.746-04:00Gordon: The LaRouchies are conservatives.Gordon: The LaRouchies are conservatives.libhomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537213558568338561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-11615969608791189382009-09-06T15:31:21.692-04:002009-09-06T15:31:21.692-04:00ConradNY,
What would the internet do without well...ConradNY,<br /><br />What would the internet do without well thought-out and reasoned comments like yours?<br /><br />Question: Does your mother charge you rent for the use of her basement?Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-57874532251096134842009-09-06T07:47:48.760-04:002009-09-06T07:47:48.760-04:00Conrady: I am a bit disappointed. I was so hoping ...Conrady: I am a bit disappointed. I was so hoping for a rant on Soviet Lada automobiles, and East German Trabants.<br /><br /><i>"Don't turn around, uh-oh..... Der Commie car's in town. Uh-oh.</i><br /><br />Anyway, you are so right about Mark Lloyd, who has declared an all-out war on the First Amendment.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-92067805364805605032009-09-06T07:09:58.809-04:002009-09-06T07:09:58.809-04:00Sorry for the typo, I meant to Czars"
Not ...Sorry for the typo, I meant to Czars"<br /><br /><br />Not Cars..ConradNYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-84896045368700251752009-09-06T07:06:39.757-04:002009-09-06T07:06:39.757-04:00Yes, Stop the madness, get rid of these Commie Car...Yes, Stop the madness, get rid of these Commie Cars!! Early this morning we did get rid of one of the worst.. Thanks to Glenn Beck.. Yes, A commie in the WHITEHOUSE BITE THE DUST!!!!!! OHHHH YEAH! LIFE IS GOOD<br />One down, 31 to go. With the Racist Czar now out of the White House it's time to work on Czar Mark Lloyd, the Chief Diversity Something or Another at the FCC. This Mark Lloyd character is in love with Hugo Chavez so much so he thought it was a wonderful thing when Chavez seized control of media operations his country. Most disturbing.<br />With so much spinning in this admin. Obamatron's congress will never pass healthcare. What a great diversion at the right time. What a scam too at this announcement at 3am. What a joke. The Berry administration prove more and more everyday that they are political rookies. One down, 31 to goConradNYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-89240566356537401732009-09-05T00:17:32.652-04:002009-09-05T00:17:32.652-04:00Shaw, I believe you may not have realized the geni...Shaw, I believe you may not have realized the genius of your post title......<br /><br />STOP THE MADNESS! I couldn't agree more!<br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />Octo says......."Unbeknownst to you, I did communicate the same request on several occasions to Jennifer who turned around and violated it."<br /><br /><i>"I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do. But this is a PLEA and hopefully you will agree to it, as it is NOW in black and white for all to see."</i><br /><br />Pam, I admire you for trying but it's obvious from the comment above that he just can't let it go. I've realized that the best course of action for me is to just ignore him. Your support is always appreciated! TTYL<br /><br />((hugs))Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-85735546583755445112009-09-04T20:54:48.126-04:002009-09-04T20:54:48.126-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-54228839152205156322009-09-04T20:54:32.100-04:002009-09-04T20:54:32.100-04:00Pamela: “Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject (...Pamela: “<i>Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject (…) I’m not quite sure who appointed YOU Blogging Director, but it is our right to blog about what we want</i>.”<br /><br />What you accuse me of is a projection of yourself. You accuse me of appointing myself as “Blogging Director;” yet here you are appointing yourself as protector and defender of Jennifer, who, according to her above comment, seems capable of defending herself. Who appointed you?<br /><br />Pamela: “<i>You know Octo, I have ignored your taunts, innuendos and comments about me …</i>”<br /><br />Actually, what you accuse me of is again a projection of yourself. In a comment thread at the Swash Zone about a month ago, I referred to a generic, “so-called conservative friends,” which you chose to mean you. The reference could have meant anybody. What makes you think it is always about YOU? <br /><br />If you refer to the dates when you started trashing various Swash Zone writers, and the dates of my responses, you will find that your remarks antedate mine by a wide margin. A projection is also a double standard when you reserve your right to attack but deny my right to defend.<br /><br />Pamela: “<i> I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do</i>.”<br /><br />Unbeknownst to you, I did communicate the same request on several occasions to Jennifer who turned around and violated it.<br /><br />Rightfully, I could accuse you of disingenuousness and dishonesty but I won’t because I would not want you to accuse me of accusing you of disingenuousness and dishonesty.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-4285537723615398452009-09-04T13:02:04.740-04:002009-09-04T13:02:04.740-04:00Arthur said: "they did it too, and WORSE"...Arthur said: "they did it too, and WORSE"<br /><br />That is your point, not mine. No where in what I have stated will you find anything that supports such a paraphrasing.<br /><br />I don't read Malkin.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-24710710062693494532009-09-04T12:18:37.974-04:002009-09-04T12:18:37.974-04:00Ah yes. More responses for the 'yes, but' ...Ah yes. More responses for the 'yes, but' & 'they did it too, and WORSE' duo. I'm interested to read an NY or LA Times piece from 2001 hoping for the 'failure' of the Bush presidency.<br /><br />One will do.<br /><br />And Gordon is right. If you want to learn just how horrible lefties are by all means visit the Michelle Malkin website. She'll have a field day with the recent finger chomping episode. In Malkinland. a parallel universe to be sure, tidbits like this (and the notorious Moveon ad contest entry for example) are carefully catalogued, preserved and stored for future use as needed.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-46642233831170723522009-09-04T10:10:25.357-04:002009-09-04T10:10:25.357-04:00Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject. Because you...Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject. Because you’re twisting words and posting half quotes and that is immature, at best.<br /><br />WHERE did you ASK that your so-called friends/colleagues on the right speak out against this “thuggery”? Was that before or after YOU accused ME of being a rabble-rousing-brown-shirt?<br /><br />BUT even IF you did request assistance with this town hall endeavor, you have NO right to get angry if we chose not to post about them. I’m not quite sure who appointed YOU Blogging Director, but it is our right to blog about what we want. HOWEVER, since you are SO concerned about the town hall thugs. Where is YOUR post about the Pro-Obama supporter who bit off the finger of the 65 year old Anti-Health Care Supporter? Oh, wait, you are a double standard blogger and only post on the town hall meetings that fit YOUR agenda. My bad. At least Jennifer and I are consistent. We aren’t posting on any town hall meetings, good or bad!<br /><br />You know Octo, I have ignored your taunts, innuendos and comments about me; because when you said our friendship was OVER…I believed you. For me, when it’s done— it’s done. But it’s quite obvious YOU can’t let go. <br /><br />I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do. But this is a PLEA and hopefully you will agree to it, as it is NOW in black and white for all to see.Pamela Zydelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455065276657597689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-45482922313145617592009-09-04T10:04:20.662-04:002009-09-04T10:04:20.662-04:00Just because leftist commentators and entertainers...Just because leftist commentators and entertainers can't pull an audience doesn't excuse them from their statements or their suggestions that Bush be assassinated. Limbaugh has never suggested any thing like that and cuts off callers who hint at it; Randi Rhodes suggested it on-air at least twice.Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-62113496505018671192009-09-04T09:25:25.477-04:002009-09-04T09:25:25.477-04:00Dmarks, I agree with you on part of your response....Dmarks, I agree with you on part of your response. The left was certainly apoplectic about Bush.<br /><br />From the first day they questioned his election and right to be president.<br /><br />His intelligence was questioned, his truthfulness was questioned and he was routinely made fun of for his name and looks too. Anyone here remember "shrub" or Satan?<br /><br />People accused him of wanting to see American kids die in Iraq, and of murdering our soldiers.<br /><br />Doesn't anyone think those were stretches.<br /><br />He too was compared to Hitler by his more vocal critics and if you ever listened to AIR 1 Radio, the ridicule was off the charts.<br /><br />But I think the difference is in this. I do not recall people saying this early, or ever in the Bush Admin, that he hated America, and was working to destroy it.<br /><br />I do not recall anyone saying that he was trying to indoctrinate our children into a Gestapo like army.<br /><br />Also, as for your media numbers, you should check your facts before saying the NY Times is close to 20 million.<br /><br />More like 1 million. You could add all the evening news shows, the NY Times, and the LA Times together and you would still only just about reach the claimed daily listener numbers of Limbaugh.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-59827213059599088832009-09-04T07:46:11.739-04:002009-09-04T07:46:11.739-04:00Shaw said: "Wrong."
I described the sit...Shaw said: "Wrong."<br /><br />I described the situation in the middle part of the decade (2004, 2005 etc). You "disproved" me by saying that this was not going on in the first 6 months of Bush's administration (2001). <br /><br />Well, your case does look better if you decide to intentionally exclude the era of the worst of the "day after day mostly misinformation, exaggerations and plain outright lies" against Bush.<br /><br />"I don't recall a media personality with an audience of 20 million daily broadcasting his or her hopes that George Bush would fail in his presidency"<br /><br />The combined circulation of the decidedly anti-Bush New York Times and LA Times comes close to 20 million. And that is just two newspapers. Then you have the situation of a major moviemaker and studio releasing and promoting a movie of pure Bush-bashing. This is something we just haven't had for Obama. And while the Right had Rush, during this era the Left had Dan Rather, who also had a huge audience. His career culminated when he tried to pass of an elaborate faked tale of Bush going AWOL.<br /><br />The more you look at it, the more you will find that the situations are quite similar. The Left has no "Rush" of its own on AM radio, but they have similar figures on their side with huge audiences, even if these audiences are specifically non-radio.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-17477518500719738302009-09-04T07:32:32.597-04:002009-09-04T07:32:32.597-04:00Change "Obama" to "Bush", and ...Change "Obama" to "Bush", and change "GOP" to "Democratic", and you have exactly what went on during the middle part of this decade. I guess the Hitler insults and routine lies about Bush were OK right?<br /><br />Wrong.<br /><br />I don't recall a media personality with an audience of 20 million daily broadcasting his or her hopes that George Bush would fail in his presidency, or anyone for that matter, hoping for failure in an administration less than 6 months old.<br /><br />As for Gordon's equivalency model, it doesn't work. What is happening now is not equal to what happened in 2001 in Bush's first 7 months in office, and his and dmarks repeated reminder that "the left did it too" serves only to make the right look like little more than vengeful schoolyard bullies with a score to settle.<br /><br />I still maintain that a good deal of this outrage is over the fact that a Liberal is in office, and that many Conservatives have labeled all things Liberal as evil and unAmerican. Too many weak minds listen to entertainers like Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity who do this country a disservice by keeping them stirred up with fear and hatred. But apparently, it's really, really good for business, and that's what counts for them.<br /><br />Nothing like the Conservative cable news station FOX or Conservative radio shock jocks existed for Liberals in the first years of the Bush administration, broadcasting day after day mostly misinformation, exaggerations and plain outright lies.<br /><br />And to ignore the powerful influence of these entities is to cancel your attempts at equivalency.<br /><br />"They did it too!" Didn't work for me when I was a child, and it doesn't work now. It only further enforces the perception that Conservatives are followers, not leaders.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-3374728233104734822009-09-04T07:29:53.382-04:002009-09-04T07:29:53.382-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-82698276248742937102009-09-04T06:51:04.896-04:002009-09-04T06:51:04.896-04:00Gordon wrote: "Perhaps, just once, might you ...Gordon wrote: "Perhaps, just once, might you consider what it is about this president's policies that engender such a fervent response?"<br /><br />I would agree with this statement if there were more constructive criticism of Obama's policies (which there is some) instead of these birthers, tea-baggers, don't-poison-by-child's-brain-wackos, etc.<br /><br />It's easier for the right wing talking heads (i.e. Rush/Beck) to get support on the side issues, which are, unfortunately, easier to comprehend than complex issues such as health care reform.The J Mopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17151291330209075590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-43523698552497570182009-09-04T06:46:45.520-04:002009-09-04T06:46:45.520-04:00Michael said: "That being said, the oppositio...Michael said: "That being said, the opposition to Obama is dramatically different to the opposition to Bush. <br /><br />The first factor is the violence"<br /><br />Well, true. Look at the paid SEIU thugs (on the side of Obama's plan) beating people up. Or the hungry Obama supporter who recently decided to bite off a piece of an anti-Obama protester.<br /><br />"[Bush] Impeachment, sure. But not assassination."<br /><br />There are commenters here who think that such calls against Obama are part of a plot to delegitimize him so he can be assassinated. I don't agree with that logic. But you can easily see here those who claim that insulting Obama is the same as trying to get him assassinated. <br /><br />Gordon: Those union guys have plenty of experience instigating violance. But usually their targets in the past have been working people. You made some great points. From an objective viewpoint, the anti-Bush hatred is little different than the anti-Obama hatred.<br /><br />Someone pointed out that there have been more anti-Obama death threats. True. But there were enough disturbing ones against Bush, including a "respected" leftwing journalist in a newspaper who called for Bush'a sssassination, and someone who made a movie supporting it.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-28401755253555227292009-09-04T06:44:49.446-04:002009-09-04T06:44:49.446-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-42992761148867774482009-09-04T02:28:13.902-04:002009-09-04T02:28:13.902-04:00Michael,
The Obama = Hitler rhetoric and poster h...Michael,<br /><br />The Obama = Hitler rhetoric and poster have been coming from the LaRouchies, not conservatives. And I'd challenge you to find any clip of Limbaugh or Beck cheering such comparisons.<br /><br />On the other hand, I invite you to check <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/17/nutroots-suddenly-hypersensitive-about-nazipresident-comparisons/" rel="nofollow"> here. </a> You'll find plenty of Bush + Hitler comparisons.<br /><br />And it's worth pointing out that there was no violence--none--until the SEIU started showing up. <i> Every incident </i> has involved union members trying to intimidate ordinary citizens.<br /><br />And yes, citizens have brought guns to speeches. That's legal, you know. We're allowed to bear arms. We have not allowed the state to disarm us, unlike most of the western world.<br /><br />The difference is that your ox is being gored. Dissent was patriotic when you agreed with it; now it's angry unreasoned mobs. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/02/AR2009090202858.html" rel="nofollow"> The town halls really haven't been like that,</a> for the most part, but hey, don't let facts ruin your narrative.Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-7591049778569088962009-09-04T00:11:03.970-04:002009-09-04T00:11:03.970-04:00"What is it about the President's policie..."What is it about the President's policies that engender such a fervent response"?<br /><br />I would suggest it is deep misunderstandings of this President and his policies, fed by a right wing noise machine that shows a reckless disregard for the truth and a mainstream media that doesn't have the energy or the willingness to fact check these claims, that engenders such a fervent response. <br /><br />DMarks is not a troll-he is an intelligent, persistent critic. <br /><br />That being said, the opposition to Obama is dramatically different to the opposition to Bush. <br /><br />The first factor is the violence. Each side has its crew of mouth breathing crazies who will suggest, half jokingly, that the President should be killed. But in 2009, people are bringing guns to Presidential speeches. People are getting into fistfights at political "meetings". <br /><br />The second factor is the ubiquity. You can see references to Hitler all over the place now-from the Tea Party people right up to the present, being cheered on by Messrs. Beck and Limbaugh. <br /><br />Part of the difference is the media environment in 2009-we are in a different world even from the world of 2001. Things may seem more "widespread" just because we see more of it now than we used to. Part of it is the admittedly hairier times we are now in-I don't think anyone would deny the United States is in worse shape on September 3, 2009 than it was on September 3, 2001. <br /><br />But part of it, in my mind, is a difference of degree. There is a vehemence to the anti Obama talk that the anti Bush talk never reached. You will meet few people who like President Bush less than I do-I firmly believe he could and should be tried for crimes against humanity, convicted, imprisoned, and perhaps executed. But I never condoned or even joked about his assassination, not even once. Impeachment, sure. But not assassination.8https://www.blogger.com/profile/00897636875216996092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-38849265113527583112009-09-04T00:05:51.971-04:002009-09-04T00:05:51.971-04:00"First, you applaud thuggery, now you finally...<i>"First, you applaud thuggery, now you finally see where this has taken us." </i><br /><br />I have never applauded thuggery but yes I still defend those who go to town meetings to speak their mind if they act with maturity and respect. Do you really think that everyone that goes to a town meeting is evil and paid by insurance companies? Just as there are idiots that are disruptive, there are also genuinely concerned people. Because I point out the wrong that I see at the town hall meetings, doesn't mean that I don't also see the positive that also comes from it.<br /><br /><i>"Where has it taken us?"</i> <br /><br />We are not at a pretty place right now, but that is because of some on the LEFT and the RIGHT that cannot seem to think rationally anymore. They vent and are so filled with anger that they are no help to anyone. BOTH sides are equally wrong!<br /><br /><i>"Typical libtard," followed by back-biting, betrayal, and the usual sneer and jeer. " </i><br /><br />If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.<br /><br />I have not been commenting on any comments of yours because I knew this would happen. I've been discussing and debating with other people, because I really have no interest in petty arguments , I have too many more important things on my mind right now!! My family comes first, politics a very distant second, if that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-10276784419213672442009-09-03T23:25:16.568-04:002009-09-03T23:25:16.568-04:00I'd comment here, but DMarks has already taken...I'd comment here, but DMarks has already taken all the good lines.<br /><br />I would suggest to the hostess one thing. Pretty much anyone who has disagreed with the president is presented here as a whacko (or a paid protester). Perhaps, just once, might you consider what it is about this president's policies that engender such a fervent response?Gordon Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772014586181361069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-44114864304910967322009-09-03T22:48:37.486-04:002009-09-03T22:48:37.486-04:00Five weeks ago, when town hall hooligans first sta...Five weeks ago, when town hall hooligans first started disrupting civil gatherings, before the fist fights started, before gun-toting thugs started intimidating people, before women in wheelchairs got shouted down, I asked my friends and colleagues on the right to speak out and condemn this stuff. What was the response? "<i>Its about time people started speaking out</i>!" First, you applaud thuggery, now you finally see where this has taken us.<br /><br />I guess being even slightly conservative means: A hammer bangs your thumb, but it takes five weeks for the neurons to send the signal to your brain and evince a simple <i>ouch</i>! Meanwhile the epithets come out: "<i>Typical libtard</i>," followed by back-biting, betrayal, and the usual sneer and jeer. Well, guess what? I'm done too!(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.com