tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post8349353857453807638..comments2024-03-28T15:51:44.002-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: The Occupation of Malheur by Armed, Out of State Militia GroupsShaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-61713328264538370002016-01-12T19:49:44.442-05:002016-01-12T19:49:44.442-05:00Here is an excerpt from I Stand with Linda Sue Bec...Here is an excerpt from <a href="https://travislongcore.net" rel="nofollow">I Stand with Linda Sue Beck - The Attack on Science at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge</a>:<br /><br />“<i>The occupiers of the refuge poke fun at Beck, her research on fish, and the normal trappings of a research station, including a dried bird in a storage area. They incredulously claim that the bird is “what they’re going to kill people over.” Presumably “they” is the federal government, and they mean to convey that Nature — the birds, the fish, the land — has no use or value.<br /><br />“These sentiments run counter to American history of conservation and scientific land management … Malheur was one of the first wildlife refuges, established in 1908, and became part of the growing field of scientific wildlife management that came to fruition in the United States.<br /><br />“National Wildlife Refuges are places where pathbreaking scientific research has taken place that has led to the great breakthroughs of wildlife management: research on the impacts of lead shot and its replacement by steel shot, the effects of DDT and its subsequent ban, and of course the impacts of harvest on fish and game populations.<br /><br />The armed takeover of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is, therefore, not just an attack on a federal property. It cuts deeper than that. It is an attack on the modern science-based approach to land management and it is an attack on the value and worth of science and scientists in the United States.</i>”<br />- - - - - - - - - - <br />Bottom line: When anarchists, armed militias, deadbeats, and and their supporters dominate the news (enabled by mindless journalists who repeat every trope, implying that the occupiers have a legitimate demand in wanting to work the land), this is what you get:<br /><br /><b>Distort, misquote, harp, carp, nitpick, accuse, slander, insult, heckle, and taunt; and never concede an argument (no matter how specious).</b><br /><br />Sound familiar? I am thinking of a certain troll who is addicted to the Hokey Pokey but refuses to turn himself around.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-25461912735676696282016-01-12T18:27:04.086-05:002016-01-12T18:27:04.086-05:00Good point skudrunner. When you occasionally have ...Good point skudrunner. When you occasionally have some valid points no one discards yours without thought either.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-20275505222144764722016-01-12T10:54:52.254-05:002016-01-12T10:54:52.254-05:00Good point RN but sometimes legs has some valid po...Good point RN but sometimes legs has some valid points so I do not discard his opinion without thought.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-89821898782876520012016-01-11T22:05:50.994-05:002016-01-11T22:05:50.994-05:00skudrunner @ 4:55 PM - ... facts are sometimes har...skudrunner @ 4:55 PM - <b>... facts are sometimes hard to accept </b>.<br /><br />And ones own arrogance and delusions are often hard to recognize skud. You should try harder.<br /><br />Or were you schooled by Trumpy or someone like him?<br /><br />BTW skud, this is not an attract but rather a valid observation/question. Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-60031506518723688572016-01-11T16:55:00.575-05:002016-01-11T16:55:00.575-05:00Legs,
I do not hijack content just responding to ...Legs,<br /><br />I do not hijack content just responding to David's question, which is of course the polite thing to do. When did I operate under the guise of a country bumpkin? Have you any idea what my moniker means?<br /><br />I always respect Ms Shaw and have never uttered anything derogatory about her on this or any blog. We may disagree on a few issues where she is wrong but disagreeing with someone is no reason to disrespect them. Some just take themselves a little to seriously. I haven't even disrespected you and tried not to turn your insults around.<br />As to the smarter than most, facts are sometime hard to accept. skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-42353739238923027202016-01-11T07:10:22.776-05:002016-01-11T07:10:22.776-05:00skud [on January 8, 2016 at 4:48 PM]: “Granted I ...<b>skud</b> [on January 8, 2016 at 4:48 PM]: “<i>Granted I am much smarter than most …</i>”<br /><br />If skudrunner were really as smart as he claims, he would respect the Lady of the Manor by respecting the subjects of her posts. If skudrunner were really as smart as he claims, he would stop annoying readers with off-topic taunts, non sequiturs, and intellectually dishonest comments. <br /><br />“<i>Granted I am much smarter than most …</i>”<br /><br />Please note the admitted arrogance and narcissism of a troll who operates under the guise of country bumpkin and feigns tone-deafness as a defense mechanism. One need not act as overtly as the Smut Hut to be equally obnoxious.<br /><br />As he has always done for the umpteenth time, please note how he hijacks every discussion thread and turns the focus of attention back to himself — while the rest of you folks enable him.(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-69353781304587264952016-01-10T23:01:33.397-05:002016-01-10T23:01:33.397-05:00I have to say that I don't know what's goi...I have to say that I don't know what's going on here, Ducky. It's been an intense week. Mr . Shaw Kenawe was hospitalized and is coming home tomorrow. I've tried to keep up with current events, but I've been overwhelmed. Hope things go well enough so that I'm up to speed this week. Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-42494333201083414872016-01-10T16:07:35.939-05:002016-01-10T16:07:35.939-05:00Any idea what's going on here?
"Armed me...<a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/heavily_armed_security_detail.html" rel="nofollow">Any idea what's going on here?</a><br /><br />"Armed members of the Pacific Patriots Network are leaving the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.<br />Joseph Rice, a spokesman for the network, told reporters that his group presented occupation leader Ammon Bundy and other protesters with "articles of resolution.""<br /><br />Ammon getting closer to prison?Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-68967196658558905242016-01-09T22:46:02.684-05:002016-01-09T22:46:02.684-05:00Correction... I attack back in kind.Correction... I attack back in kind.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-81884603477118148492016-01-09T18:36:00.745-05:002016-01-09T18:36:00.745-05:00skudrunner, I will word my responses to you very ...skudrunner, I will word my responses to you very carefully so as not to offend you so you feel you've been "attacked". As to commenters that have attacked me first, like say at the Stench Trench, yeah I attack back at Emory.<br /><br />Your issue is that you are so often snarky and off topic. But I agree, you don't attack or swear.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-44891568609366591552016-01-09T09:38:24.268-05:002016-01-09T09:38:24.268-05:00David,
You make law and order sound like a bad th...David,<br /><br />You make law and order sound like a bad thing. Breaking the law is breaking the law no matter who is doing it. Bank robber, illegal immigrant, shutting down commerce are all illegal acts but treated differently. <br /><br />We can have another Waco or we can just ignore them. Ignoring them seems to be the better choice. You are close to a border, how many crimes are committed by illegals crossing the border every day. The answer is a lot and people in that region threatened, vandalized and robbed every day so yes there is a correlation, both are illegal acts. I don't see the same attack on our ineffective handling of illegals so yes it is the same, they are committing a crime.<br /><br />As to your post about being treated bad on other sites. Like this one, we are all at the mercy of the owner and her/his/it's/theirs set of rules. I am not supporter of personal attacks nor of swearing because it shows a lack character or limited vocabulary. I may disagree with you and RN but you stand up as who you are and on the web that is admirable. Of course you express differences without attacking and I can't say the same for Les.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-3636887873322592402016-01-08T19:09:22.105-05:002016-01-08T19:09:22.105-05:00Skud... by the way, Octo, or legs as you call him,...Skud... by the way, Octo, or legs as you call him, has never treated you as badly as libs get treated on the other sites where you comment. And even if he did, at least you get to comment here...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-37177980110196290932016-01-08T19:07:39.368-05:002016-01-08T19:07:39.368-05:00Skud... really? You're equating the armed take...Skud... really? You're equating the armed takeover, and threats of a shoot out, with people saying they are willing to die in the process, with illegal immigration?<br /><br />These are armed intruders, who literally broke into a federal facility, and are refusing to leave, even after being asked to do so by the local sheriff, the townspeople and others.<br /><br />When illegal aliens are caught, they are in fact arrested, and then sent back, as is in evidence this week with the start of the deportations of the immigrants from Central America.<br /><br />Why are you, and other conservatives simply unable to delink the Bundy clan from any other issue? Illegal immigration is not germane here at all. Did the Bundy clan break into a federal facility? Yes they did. Are they still there? yes they are. Are their actions criminal and is their continuing presence an ongoing crime? Yes, and more than likely, a felony.<br /><br />Should they be arrested? Yes, then tried, then probably, sent to jail.<br /><br />Will any of that happen? Of course not. because a lot of law and order folks here in the US will not support these guys being charged and tried.<br /><br />It really does seem as if that group is only for laws and orders they like.<br /><br />Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-47782138501278469262016-01-08T16:48:28.549-05:002016-01-08T16:48:28.549-05:00No offense but how am I suppose to complain about ...No offense but how am I suppose to complain about post that is not posted. Granted I am much smarter than most but even I cannot do that.<br /><br />I did express disdain about personal attacks on any Blog but I have been the subject of that as well, just ask legs.<br /><br />On arresting the occupy bird house, have they done anything the occupy wall street protesters did and they were not arrested. If they are asked to leave and don't, arrest them. Wouldn't this also apply to illegal immigrants in this country after all they are breaking the law.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-64148213273243000352016-01-08T14:05:21.491-05:002016-01-08T14:05:21.491-05:00Shaw... they are there because the Feds backed dow...Shaw... they are there because the Feds backed down before in the face of Cliven Bundy. The man still owes us, the people, a million dollars and has suffered not one whit for his refusal to pay his grazing fees.<br /><br />The folks up in Oregon complain about those fees too, but they pay, because it is their responsibility as users of federal land.<br /><br />I am afraid this won't end well as the protestors have refused all requests to leave from the average guy on the street to a group of Sheriffs from not just Harney County, but surrounding areas as well.<br /><br />It's a mess, partly brought on by the feds relctance to have another Ruby Ridge or Waco moment.<br /><br />Skud, you can post opposing viewpoints... just stay on topic and present a reasonable argument. Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-19690216702899151282016-01-08T13:48:47.913-05:002016-01-08T13:48:47.913-05:00The material writes itself
I'm curious that t...<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/tearful-militant-discovers-friend-drank-away-donation-money-its-like-finding-out-there-is-no-such-thing-as-santa/" rel="nofollow">The material writes itself</a><br /><br />I'm curious that they aren't arrested when they left the "occupation". <br />Maybe the interdiction of their "snack" shipments is working.<br />Surely, "Capt. O" and "Budda" deserve some jail time. Budda's the one who lied about his service record. There were some swell photos of him curled up with an AR-15 and a bottle of rum.<br /><br />If all this is true, we are in danger of treating these jamokes as humorous curiosities rather than would be, if inept, terrorists.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-82053511204957840232016-01-08T12:31:13.318-05:002016-01-08T12:31:13.318-05:00I like the idea of them being laughingstocks.I like the idea of them being laughingstocks.Kevin Robbinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10555818021469626619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-38604971336992132592016-01-08T10:24:46.015-05:002016-01-08T10:24:46.015-05:00Infidel753, if the white supremacist who took over...Infidel753, if the white supremacist who took over the bird sanctuary are not prosecuted, we can be sure we'll see more of this foolishness.<br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-44881857841316588672016-01-08T10:23:25.520-05:002016-01-08T10:23:25.520-05:00You call it censorship; others call it having the ...<br /><br />You call it censorship; others call it having the good sense not to have one's blog trolled.<br /><br />And you often do that. <br /><br />But more to the point, more of your comments make it through than are deleted. David's correct. You often comment at certain right wing blogs that disallow ANYONE with a left-leaning point of view. Do you complain to them? How about the Smut Hut where anyone with a left-leaning pov is attacked with vile name-calling and links to people sodomizing each other, and links to racist photo-shopped images of Mr. and Mrs. Obama as an answer to their comments?<br /><br />I've never read anything from you criticizing that, but you complain when one of your off-topic, snarky comments is deleted?<br /><br />Please.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-2091088782516553092016-01-08T09:51:08.652-05:002016-01-08T09:51:08.652-05:00I have no arguments that this is your blog and you...I have no arguments that this is your blog and you make the rules and I have stated that before. If you don't agree with my opinions you have every right to not post them.That is what censorship is all about.<br />I don't go off topic any more than others. I just don't happen to take a leftist view and some do not like opposing views.<br />skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-66188764152126291452016-01-08T06:28:59.243-05:002016-01-08T06:28:59.243-05:00They're already starting to make noises about ...They're already starting to make noises about leaving. Most likely the cold, boredom, and their lack of foresight in bringing enough supplies are getting to them. Unless an argument over the last bag of Cheetos erupts into gunfire, this will likely end without bloodshed. It may be that the feds were wise to downplay the situation and refuse to take them seriously.<br /><br />When they do finally leave, of course, we need to prosecute the fertilizer out of them. Not doing so would just feed their fantasies that laws they don't like don't really exist, and encourage more of the same antics later.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-45859550679480877722016-01-08T02:14:36.437-05:002016-01-08T02:14:36.437-05:00Poor Skud, he's Shaw's bastard pup. Someth...<br />Poor Skud, he's Shaw's bastard pup. Something for all the accepting progressives to kick around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-47435074475296555272016-01-07T19:32:59.085-05:002016-01-07T19:32:59.085-05:00Skud... you comment at other blogs where we are no...Skud... you comment at other blogs where we are not even allowed to participate and you call slam Shaw for censoring content?<br /><br />Seriously, while she may in fact censor commenters, as is her right as the blog owner, for your snark to be consistent, you'd really should direct at least some at a few of the conservative blogs who regularly delete and block comments from a liberal/progressive perspective.<br /><br />As for what's up in Oregon, I am wondering how a wait 'em out strategy would work. Yes, at some time, those guys will get hungry and need to come out for food. What happens when they do? Will they go peacefully into arrest? Probably not.<br /><br />They are breaking the law aren't they? Can you, or anyone else tell me why they should not be arrested, tried, and if found guilty, put in jail?<br /><br />At least MLK was willing to peacefully go to jail for his beliefs. I doubt there's a Bundy out there that would do that.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-50987501100705436602016-01-07T18:46:41.351-05:002016-01-07T18:46:41.351-05:00FYI, skudrunner, this is my blog and I get to deci...FYI, skudrunner, this is my blog and I get to decide who comments here under the rules I've set down. Do you call your friends on your conservative blogs censors when they delete comments or not let them through? <br /><br />I have no obligation to let anyone troll my comment section.<br /><br />You often come here and write things that are off-topic, snarky, and many times just plain wrong.<br /><br /><br /><br />Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-39992404472754483912016-01-07T13:37:07.063-05:002016-01-07T13:37:07.063-05:00It is a media event. Fence it off and ignore them ...It is a media event. Fence it off and ignore them and they will go away.<br />I would comment on this more but the censor will not allow it.skudrunnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07610092853412481236noreply@blogger.com