tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post8561042166263350834..comments2024-03-28T23:35:56.945-04:00Comments on Progressive Eruptions: POLITIFACT FINDS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA NEVER APOLOGIZED IN HIS SPEECHESShaw Kenawehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-70813727138559909942010-03-19T14:37:29.638-04:002010-03-19T14:37:29.638-04:00arthurstone,
its not my intent to "put people...arthurstone,<br />its not my intent to "put people in their place" as you so delicately said. as i state on my blog my intent is just to inspire deeper thought on an issue.<br /><br />as for your intent on the use of the word "ouch" i'll just allow others to determine its meaning as you used it. they'll either see it your way or mine. either way we'll give them reason to smile.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-7784619773618283352010-03-19T14:16:01.854-04:002010-03-19T14:16:01.854-04:00Yours is a vivid fantasy life Griper. You didn'...Yours is a vivid fantasy life Griper. You didn't put everyone in their place. Not by a country mile.<br /><br />OUCH referred to the violence inflicted on the topic of "apology" in your previous post.<br /><br />Thank YOU.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-78608590850679577472010-03-19T14:03:20.160-04:002010-03-19T14:03:20.160-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-57555018989358016972010-03-19T13:53:23.664-04:002010-03-19T13:53:23.664-04:00arthurstone,
your apology is accepted. :) now ther...arthurstone,<br />your apology is accepted. :) now there was a fine example of an apology made in the manner i described.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-19406741521508167492010-03-19T08:01:22.490-04:002010-03-19T08:01:22.490-04:00Ouch.Ouch.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-35665967699897786142010-03-18T20:14:59.043-04:002010-03-18T20:14:59.043-04:00arthurstone,
bad manners would depend upon "...arthurstone,<br />bad manners would depend upon "manner" of admonishment not the admonishment itself.<br /><br />shaw,<br />the only point i was making is that an verbal expression of regret is not necessary for an apology.<br />in fact, an apology can be seen as an apology without the intent of it being an apology. it is one of those acts that is dependent upon the listener. if a listener accept what a person says as an act of an apology then it is known as one. <br /><br />a simple change of behavior can be taken as an apology if the person understands the reason for the change of behavior. in fact, i'd say that this is the most sincerest act of an apology.<br /><br />but, as i know, this is but my own personal attitude to any act of an apology.<br /><br />and one more thing, if it wasn't your interpretation of what an apology is then you'd have no reason for posting it.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-5036313331926545022010-03-18T18:25:25.881-04:002010-03-18T18:25:25.881-04:00"i don't know about anybody else but base..."i don't know about anybody else but based on this definition and your interpretation of its meaning, shaw, i have never apologized to anyone in my life."<br /><br />Griper,<br /><br />It's not my interpretation of what an "apology" is, it is the majority of foreign policy experts who said that talking about past behaviors that were not exemplar is not an apology,[and BTW, Mr Obama was speaking the historic truth], and it is Politifact's conclusion that no apology was made.<br /><br />This is Mr. Obama's exact statement on Iran--he is merely being accurate about how America interfered in Iran's democratic election:<br /><br /> "In the middle of the Cold War, the United States played a role in the overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government. Since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has played a role in acts of hostage-taking and violence against U.S. troops and civilians. This history is well known. Rather than remain trapped in the past, I've made it clear to Iran's leaders and people that my country is prepared to move forward."<br /><br />How could any fair-minded person think the above statement is an apology? Mr. Obama could say "Good Morning," and he'd be accused of making an apologetic statement by those who simply cannot accept the fact that he is our president--in other words, when his above statement is deliberately misconstrued as an apology to make Mr. Obama look weak, it is not an honest criticism, but rather an underhanded ploy to undermine the validity of his presidency.<br /><br />But facts are stubborn things, and his words, not some person with an axe to grind, will stand as the truth.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-62413938463660531612010-03-18T13:55:02.309-04:002010-03-18T13:55:02.309-04:00An expression of regret isn't weakness.
And a...An expression of regret isn't weakness.<br /><br />And allowing as how one may be 'sorry' in a particular instance does not a 'sorry person' make.<br /><br />And don't even get me started on how self-absorbed it is to correct someone's apology (in fact, i'll go even farther by saying i have admonished others for declaring their words of "i'm sorry" to me).<br /><br />That is a terrific example of bad manners.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-27072107523929296542010-03-18T13:03:18.153-04:002010-03-18T13:03:18.153-04:00Merriam-Webster defines an apology as "an adm...Merriam-Webster defines an apology as "an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret."<br /><br />i don't know about anybody else but based on this definition and your interpretation of its meaning, shaw, i have never apologized to anyone in my life. i have admitted being wrong many times and have admitted others were right when i was wrong but, i have never declared i was "sorry" for for being wrong.<br /><br />in fact, i'll go even farther by saying i have admonished others for declaring their words of "i'm sorry" to me. just an admission of being wrong or an admission i was right was enough for me to accept as an apology.<br /><br />i guess i was never so mean of a person as to allow another person feel as if they should look at themselves as being a sorry person.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1883838569462983439.post-21321544051099119292010-03-18T10:55:45.380-04:002010-03-18T10:55:45.380-04:00The birthers/tea-baggers don't need facts - th...The birthers/tea-baggers don't need facts - those only get in the way of their arguments.<br /><br />And why should the loyal minions perform any fact checking on their own? Rush, Beck et al have already performed extreme "due diligence" in this category. Beck even provides a handy blackboard for those who like to get their info via pictures and scribblings.The J Mopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17151291330209075590noreply@blogger.com