Ask fools a foolish question and you will get a foolish answer. We do not have the most intelligent voter but what we do have is dedicated idiots on both sides. Some of us remain independent but 60% remain committed to a party at any cost.
A quick trip to the HMS Mothership of Denial will show you how surprised some sailors are when faced with actual facts that contradict what they were told by their favored media outlets.
Isn't the inability to hear and accept facts that contradict your viewpoint a central tenet of cultism?
skudrunner "Ask fools a foolish question and you will get a foolish answer."
Did you watch the same posted video that I and thousands of others watched? Because all the interviewer did was repeat to Trumpers statements that Trump made but which the interviewer attributed to Biden. When Trumpers were erroneously told that Biden said those statements, the Trump cultists denigrated Biden and impugned his cognitive abilities. When the interviewer corrected herself and said those statements were made by Trump, not Biden, the Trump cultists saw nothing wrong with those Trump statements.
This is a stark example of how Trump supporters think: They don't.
They're cultists who are too blind to understand even their own hypocrisy and their allegiance to a conman and will excuse Trump's disgusting and egregious behaviors and statements because THEY DON'T THINK!
And there are millions of these poor souls who may very well be responsible for putting the Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist back in the WH.
To stay neutral on this is to welcome that hellish possibility.
You mentioned in one of your comments the alternative choice: RFK,Jr.
RFK's own family, those who know him better than YOU do, do NOT support him or his bizarre ideas. RFK,Jr. is a damaged human being. Read about his life and then come back and tell us how he's psychologically and temperamentally fit to lead America.
A quick trip to the HMS Mothership of Denial will show you how surprised some sailors are when faced with actual facts that contradict what they were told by their favored media outlets."
Most of them, and especially the Captain, are FAUX NOOZ consumers. Who's surprised.
Most of them approve of Trump’s racism and anti-immigration policy. Add to that a substantial amount of hero worship and delusion and you have a bubbling pot of stupid that thinks the man using the presidency to line his own pockets is actually boldly engaged in self-sacrifice for the benefit of America.
Maybe we need more evidence that Trump supporters live in bubble or a cult. Yesterday, NewMax tweeted a wire story, since deleted, quoting Former President Trump. Here's what their tweet said...
“Donald Trump called immigrants in the United States illegally ‘animals’ and ‘not human’ in a speech in Michigan, resorting to the degrading rhetoric he has employed time and again on the campaign trail...”
Nothing inflammatory here, this is boilerplate Trump. The quote they reference is widely known, seen and disseminated. There is no way someone can deny that Trump said these words, and I for one, applaud NewsMax for posting it, even if it only lasted a few hours before they took it down.
But here's a sampling of the responses on X, formerly Twitter, from the people who live on the range, where seldom is heard a discouraging word...
From Brenden Dilly... "Newsmax is fake news trash."
From Johnny Liberty... "Who’s side are you on? Biden’s?" and this... "Someone paid them well. Soros?"
From Real Phil Jones... "I knew Newsmax couldn't be trusted. Spreading the same lies as CNN and MSNDNC deliberately misquoting President Trump."
The Real Sora... "Fake news , newsmax is now cnn"
From Christy Sparks... "Past time to Bud Light Newsmax!"
My favorite is the one from Real Phil Jones saying Newsmax was "deliberately misquoting President Trump" in spite of the link and ample video evidence to the contrary.
I've come to the conclusion that nothing will get through to people, because they don't care. Facts don't matter. Really, they just deny the truth because they've determined Biden to them, is an existential threat to their liberty.
They will continue to support Trump, because they believe he's being unfairly targeted by the legal system, is a victim of lawfare and speaks to their anger about loss of status in a rapidly changing multicultural America.
Biden has a under 40% approval rating in all categories and a 56% disapproval rating after 3 1/2 years at the helm. Trump has around the same numbers of 42/45. What this shows is few want either candidate and deserve better. You have dedicated your blog to hating trump which is you right but what you do not point out is neither candidate is qualified for the job.
"And there are millions of these poor souls who may very well be responsible for putting the Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist back in the WH" The same can be said for biden supporters except for the rapist part because joey is a documented liar (law school, family history, etc), cheat (Joe Biden has plagiarized from speeches, essays, and policy positions throughout his entire life). Neither is qualified to be president but the voter will have little choice and JFK jr is an alternative. No matter who wins the American taxpayer is screwed.
One candidate is unqualified, incapable, and not tethered to reality. The other, President Biden is qualified, capable, and for anyone truly aware of his accomplishments they know it.
But skud, like so many trump whiners simply want to bitch and moan because they don't get their desires fulfilled exactly as they would like.
SKUDRUNNER: "You have dedicated your blog to hating trump which is you right but what you do not point out is neither candidate is qualified for the job."
S.K.: All I do, skud, is report what Trump says and does. YOU label that as hate? I label Trump as a "Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist." In truth, he is all of those things. YOU know that and so do his cultists. The question is WHY WOULD ANY SANE AMERICAN WANT THAT AS THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY?
Joe Biden was a US Senator and US Vice President, and knows how government works. Trump is a failed businessman, a con artist who stiffed working people, a serial adulterer, and a fake Christian, those were his qualifications before he became POTUS. What on earth are you talking about. Biden was and IS qualified for the job.
Also, Biden is not a phony Christian, he actually lives his Christian religion, nor has he cheated on his wife with porn stars. These are moral qualification that the Republican Party once said were essential for a POTUS. Remember how the GOP felt about Clinton's sexual escapades? Why did the GOP decide that a serial adulterer and rapist who wished a woman who procured children for a pedophile, Ghislaine Maxwell, good luck when she was arrested -- why did they and do they now worship this morally trashy human being?
SKUDRUNNER: "JFK jr is an alternative. No matter who wins the American taxpayer is screwed."
So you believe another serial adulterer, past heroine user, anti-vaxxer who believes vaccines turn people "trans," and conspiracy nut case whose own family disowns his craziness would be a great choice? Really?
And you think the nation would be better off with a pathological liar, rapist, insurectionist, a failed businessman (5 bankruptcies), 91 felony indictments, a supporter of authoritarian regimes, a man responsible for essentially creating a completely disfunctional party, and a man exhibiting early stage dementia.
If that's your idea of a good and positive presidential candidate then there is absolutely nothing anyone, no matter how knowledabe they may be, can say to enlighten you.
No matter the hard evidence and repeated occurances reaffirming the hard evidence a cultist never leaves their cult.
Dave M. "I've come to the conclusion that nothing will get through to people, because they don't care. Facts don't matter. Really, they just deny the truth because they've determined Biden to them, is an existential threat to their liberty.
They will continue to support Trump, because they believe he's being unfairly targeted by the legal system, is a victim of lawfare and speaks to their anger about loss of status in a rapidly changing multicultural America."
Well, just read what skudrunner said about me -- that I've "dedicated my blog to hating Trump," when, the FACT is that I publish what Trump has said and done. Like Trump's cultists, skudrunner sees that as an attack of hatred instead of understanding that Trump is a seriously damaged human being who is dangerous to himself and to our democracy. It's probable that Skud and Trump's cultists are blinded by their projections of their victimizations onto Trump so they cannot see what Trump actually is: A self-serving malignant narcissist, incapable of telling the truth and mentally deteriorating before our eyes.
Joe Biden did plagiarize and did overinflate himself. Not good. But to equate what he did to what Trump did! Trump tried to overthrow his own government and said his own vice president DESERVED to be hanged! Not even CLOSE!
IMO, Skud is blinded by his cynicism and discontent with politics. Why else would he even suggest RFK,Jr., would be a good candidate for POTUS. Talk about going from the frying pan into the fire!
Skud stated... "neither [candidate] is qualified to be president".
Skud, just because people do not like a particular candidate does not mean that person is not qualified. Few liked Nixon, yet he was immensely qualified to be president, having served as an officer in the Navy, Congressman and Senator from CA and Vice President.
Tell us, since you've deemed neither candidate qualified, what makes, in your opinion, someone qualified to be president.
Joe Conservative said... "So, what is Biden FOR? More illegal immigration?"
Read the bipartisan immigration bill that Trump told his spineless lackey, "Moses" Johnson, NOT to bring to the floor for a vote because it would help Biden in the 2024 election. Go ahead. You'll learn what Biden's for.
Ms. Shaw, I actually read the immigration bill and it has some good points but it still allows for massive numbers of illegals or uninvited crosser's unless you consider 1.8 million a small number. Why not do for the southern border what we expect from Europeans. Apply and be given permission to enter or do what Mexico and Canada do which is have proof you are going to leave.
The immigration bill is much like the presidential candidates which is the best of the worst.
Shaw, When we ask the cult about the border funding Trump demanded be killed, they won't respond to it out of their typical moral cowardice and aversion to facts.
The same goes for the indictments against Trump. They won't read them. They refuse to read them, and they decide they don't exist or are lies. No thinking required. No conscience required.
"Ignorance is strength" - Orwell's Big Brother.
"I love the poorly educated." - Trump
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” – The Party (1984)
“Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” - Trump
Here's a question for you, skud: Why didn't Trump, when he had the WH, the House and the Senate in 2017, come up with an immigration bill?
Instead, Trump proposed tax cuts for billionaires and the Republican House and Senate passed that.
Our immigration system has been broken for a long, long time.
I don't recall your complaining about immigration during 2017 when Trump and the GOP had complete control over the border and could have passed legislation that addressed that problem.
Maybe immigration problems bother you only when a Democrat is in office? Maybe?
You very well may have hit that nail squarely on its head Shaw.
Trump, at this point, is fully and completely responsible for the current continuation and increase in undocumented migrants. He and his disfunctional party owns it now. Lock stock and barrel.
For that matter, Trump had a deal with Pelosi and Shumer for his wall done. He reneged on it. If I remember right it was because he got 28 billion for the wall and had to agree to one billion for school lunches. Heaven forbid kids be fed. It's like abortion, they don't really want it outlawed or they lose the elections. All they want is something to get the base of bigots, homophobes and religious zealots fired up over. It's time to face the facts and forget about whatever ideals you have Skuds. Put the Biden sign in your yard and help save our democracy my friend. We're not so far apart on the issues that we can't reach agreement with some work and empathy.
The GOP opposed the immigration bill during the Obama years they helped craft.
The GOP opposed the immigration bill during the Biden years they helped craft.
Anyone see a pattern here?
We will never get the perfect immigration bill some, like Skud, want. Because our Democratic system is built on the idea of consensus and compromise. Everyone gets some of what they love and some of what they hate, but in the end, it's better than what we had.
That's how you legislate in a pluralistic, two party system.
Skud may not like parts of the current immigration bill, but the fact remains, many in the GOP have said it is the best bill we've all seen in years, decades, even.
There's an saw... Don't let great be the enemy of good.
This was/is a good bill. And the GOP got most of what they asked for. They approved it and backed it. Until they were told not to.
Amazing.
The ditched what was good for America to play politics and hurt our country.
Skud... another question for you... If you could write the bill, what would you include? be as specific as you can.
Leslie, Rev and joe101. You do have some errors because the GOP voted against an immigration bill proposed by GWB as well so they are consistent. The democrats don't want the bill to pass and they new it wouldn't so now they blame the other side. Like the national, debt neither party wants a solution because they can't use that topic as a weapon against the other side. Trump did have a plan that seemed to be working which was the wall and remain in Mexico. Genocide joe reversed that decision and look where we are now. You asked what an immigration law should look like. Since they cross from Mexico we should adopt Mexico's immigration law and Rev you know more about that then most.
leslie, You seem unhinged but that is due to TDS so you are allowed.
"Apprehensions on the southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, with some fluctuations. In 2017, apprehensions hit the lowest level since 1972, but they spiked in fiscal year 2019 at 851,508 and fell back down to 400,651 in fiscal 2020."
After an INCREASE under Trump, it was the pandemic, not Trumps "plan" that reduced the border crossings.
Better blame Obama and Biden, since you will do so anyway, regardless of the facts.
It seems YOU are the only one here unhinged from the facts.
Dube, If we are going going to the history books Ike had one of the best illegal immigration policies. Obama was a great special interest president but his let someone else deal with illegals was his norm. DACA, Obamacare were temporary measures designed to push the can to someone else.
You seem to be confused but at least you give some numbers. 400,651 in 2020 and 2.5 million in 2023. Check your math because that is a rise and 2020 was when the evil one was at the throne which shows that remain in mexico actually worked and genocide joe cancelled that as one of his first acts as leader. The "immigration" bill would allow 1.8 million crossers a year or four times 2020 or twice as many as 2019.
Once again, Skud. "Remain in Mexico" is STILL IN EFFECT!
Once again, Republicans REFUSED to cooperate with the hated Black President on ANY border bill.
Then the racists DENIED Obama's Constitutional duty to replace a Supreme Court justice because it was "Too close" to an election EIGHT MONTHS AWAY. Then they rammed THEIR theocrat down our throats DURING AN ELECTION.
You can't acknowledge their evil racism and authoritarian behavior can you? Always back to the "both sides" tripe.
Once more for Skud and the others in the back of the room:
The “Remain in Mexico” (officially called the Migrant Protection Protocols) program at the Mexico-United States border, originally begun in January 2019 under the administration of US President Donald Trump, was restarted by President Joe Biden on December 6, 2021.
Good Job dube you are a believer. Were you aware that it is illegal to steal and mug people yet most of us believe it still happens. A law is only as good as the enforcement of it and it is not enforced. You really should visit the border but you would still believe they remain in Mexico because after all there is a law and genocide joe restarted the program. Watch out you window and you will see the tooth fairy fly by.
Ask fools a foolish question and you will get a foolish answer. We do not have the most intelligent voter but what we do have is dedicated idiots on both sides. Some of us remain independent but 60% remain committed to a party at any cost.
ReplyDeleteHmm, nuts? Yup, pretty squirrely
ReplyDeleteTrump trained them in deflection and blissful ignorance well.
ReplyDeleteCultists?
ReplyDeleteA quick trip to the HMS Mothership of Denial will show you how surprised some sailors are when faced with actual facts that contradict what they were told by their favored media outlets.
Isn't the inability to hear and accept facts that contradict your viewpoint a central tenet of cultism?
And they don't see anything wrong with their answers.
ReplyDeleteskudrunner "Ask fools a foolish question and you will get a foolish answer."
ReplyDeleteDid you watch the same posted video that I and thousands of others watched? Because all the interviewer did was repeat to Trumpers statements that Trump made but which the interviewer attributed to Biden. When Trumpers were erroneously told that Biden said those statements, the Trump cultists denigrated Biden and impugned his cognitive abilities. When the interviewer corrected herself and said those statements were made by Trump, not Biden, the Trump cultists saw nothing wrong with those Trump statements.
This is a stark example of how Trump supporters think: They don't.
They're cultists who are too blind to understand even their own hypocrisy and their allegiance to a conman and will excuse Trump's disgusting and egregious behaviors and statements because THEY DON'T THINK!
And there are millions of these poor souls who may very well be responsible for putting the Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist back in the WH.
To stay neutral on this is to welcome that hellish possibility.
You mentioned in one of your comments the alternative choice: RFK,Jr.
RFK's own family, those who know him better than YOU do, do NOT support him or his bizarre ideas. RFK,Jr. is a damaged human being. Read about his life and then come back and tell us how he's psychologically and temperamentally fit to lead America.
Dave Miller said...
ReplyDelete"Cultists?
A quick trip to the HMS Mothership of Denial will show you how surprised some sailors are when faced with actual facts that contradict what they were told by their favored media outlets."
Most of them, and especially the Captain, are FAUX NOOZ consumers. Who's surprised.
Most of them approve of Trump’s racism and anti-immigration policy. Add to that a substantial amount of hero worship and delusion and you have a bubbling pot of stupid that thinks the man using the presidency to line his own pockets is actually boldly engaged in self-sacrifice for the benefit of America.
Maybe we need more evidence that Trump supporters live in bubble or a cult. Yesterday, NewMax tweeted a wire story, since deleted, quoting Former President Trump. Here's what their tweet said...
ReplyDelete“Donald Trump called immigrants in the United States illegally ‘animals’ and ‘not human’ in a speech in Michigan, resorting to the degrading rhetoric he has employed time and again on the campaign trail...”
Nothing inflammatory here, this is boilerplate Trump. The quote they reference is widely known, seen and disseminated. There is no way someone can deny that Trump said these words, and I for one, applaud NewsMax for posting it, even if it only lasted a few hours before they took it down.
But here's a sampling of the responses on X, formerly Twitter, from the people who live on the range, where seldom is heard a discouraging word...
From Brenden Dilly... "Newsmax is fake news trash."
From Johnny Liberty... "Who’s side are you on? Biden’s?" and this... "Someone paid them well. Soros?"
From Real Phil Jones... "I knew Newsmax couldn't be trusted. Spreading the same lies as CNN and MSNDNC deliberately misquoting President Trump."
The Real Sora... "Fake news , newsmax is now cnn"
From Christy Sparks... "Past time to Bud Light Newsmax!"
My favorite is the one from Real Phil Jones saying Newsmax was "deliberately misquoting President Trump" in spite of the link and ample video evidence to the contrary.
I've come to the conclusion that nothing will get through to people, because they don't care. Facts don't matter. Really, they just deny the truth because they've determined Biden to them, is an existential threat to their liberty.
They will continue to support Trump, because they believe he's being unfairly targeted by the legal system, is a victim of lawfare and speaks to their anger about loss of status in a rapidly changing multicultural America.
Trump and self sacrifice... an oxymoron fer sure.
ReplyDeleteBiden has a under 40% approval rating in all categories and a 56% disapproval rating after 3 1/2 years at the helm. Trump has around the same numbers of 42/45. What this shows is few want either candidate and deserve better. You have dedicated your blog to hating trump which is you right but what you do not point out is neither candidate is qualified for the job.
ReplyDelete"And there are millions of these poor souls who may very well be responsible for putting the Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist back in the WH" The same can be said for biden supporters except for the rapist part because joey is a documented liar (law school, family history, etc), cheat (Joe Biden has plagiarized from speeches, essays, and policy positions throughout his entire life). Neither is qualified to be president but the voter will have little choice and JFK jr is an alternative. No matter who wins the American taxpayer is screwed.
One candidate is unqualified, incapable, and not tethered to reality. The other, President Biden is qualified, capable, and for anyone truly aware of his accomplishments they know it.
DeleteBut skud, like so many trump whiners simply want to bitch and moan because they don't get their desires fulfilled exactly as they would like.
skudrunner said...
ReplyDeleteSKUDRUNNER: "You have dedicated your blog to hating trump which is you right but what you do not point out is neither candidate is qualified for the job."
S.K.: All I do, skud, is report what Trump says and does. YOU label that as hate? I label Trump as a "Liar, Cheat, Fraud, and Rapist." In truth, he is all of those things. YOU know that and so do his cultists. The question is WHY WOULD ANY SANE AMERICAN WANT THAT AS THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY?
Joe Biden was a US Senator and US Vice President, and knows how government works. Trump is a failed businessman, a con artist who stiffed working people, a serial adulterer, and a fake Christian, those were his qualifications before he became POTUS. What on earth are you talking about. Biden was and IS qualified for the job.
Also, Biden is not a phony Christian, he actually lives his Christian religion, nor has he cheated on his wife with porn stars. These are moral qualification that the Republican Party once said were essential for a POTUS. Remember how the GOP felt about Clinton's sexual escapades? Why did the GOP decide that a serial adulterer and rapist who wished a woman who procured children for a pedophile, Ghislaine Maxwell, good luck when she was arrested -- why did they and do they now worship this morally trashy human being?
SKUDRUNNER: "JFK jr is an alternative. No matter who wins the American taxpayer is screwed."
So you believe another serial adulterer, past heroine user, anti-vaxxer who believes vaccines turn people "trans," and conspiracy nut case whose own family disowns his craziness would be a great choice? Really?
Really. You think that's doing better?
So, what is Biden FOR? More illegal immigration? More internet censorship? Higher car prices? Higher Gas prices? All of the above?
ReplyDeleteAnd you think the nation would be better off with a pathological liar, rapist, insurectionist, a failed businessman (5 bankruptcies), 91 felony indictments, a supporter of authoritarian regimes, a man responsible for essentially creating a completely disfunctional party, and a man exhibiting early stage dementia.
DeleteIf that's your idea of a good and positive presidential candidate then there is absolutely nothing anyone, no matter how knowledabe they may be, can say to enlighten you.
No matter the hard evidence and repeated occurances reaffirming the hard evidence a cultist never leaves their cult.
Dave M. "I've come to the conclusion that nothing will get through to people, because they don't care. Facts don't matter. Really, they just deny the truth because they've determined Biden to them, is an existential threat to their liberty.
ReplyDeleteThey will continue to support Trump, because they believe he's being unfairly targeted by the legal system, is a victim of lawfare and speaks to their anger about loss of status in a rapidly changing multicultural America."
Well, just read what skudrunner said about me -- that I've "dedicated my blog to hating Trump," when, the FACT is that I publish what Trump has said and done. Like Trump's cultists, skudrunner sees that as an attack of hatred instead of understanding that Trump is a seriously damaged human being who is dangerous to himself and to our democracy. It's probable that Skud and Trump's cultists are blinded by their projections of their victimizations onto Trump so they cannot see what Trump actually is: A self-serving malignant narcissist, incapable of telling the truth and mentally deteriorating before our eyes.
Joe Biden did plagiarize and did overinflate himself. Not good. But to equate what he did to what Trump did! Trump tried to overthrow his own government and said his own vice president DESERVED to be hanged! Not even CLOSE!
IMO, Skud is blinded by his cynicism and discontent with politics. Why else would he even suggest RFK,Jr., would be a good candidate for POTUS. Talk about going from the frying pan into the fire!
Skud stated... "neither [candidate] is qualified to be president".
ReplyDeleteSkud, just because people do not like a particular candidate does not mean that person is not qualified. Few liked Nixon, yet he was immensely qualified to be president, having served as an officer in the Navy, Congressman and Senator from CA and Vice President.
Tell us, since you've deemed neither candidate qualified, what makes, in your opinion, someone qualified to be president.
Can you do that for us? Will you?
Joe Conservative said... "So, what is Biden FOR? More illegal immigration?"
ReplyDeleteRead the bipartisan immigration bill that Trump told his spineless lackey, "Moses" Johnson, NOT to bring to the floor for a vote because it would help Biden in the 2024 election. Go ahead. You'll learn what Biden's for.
Ms. Shaw, I actually read the immigration bill and it has some good points but it still allows for massive numbers of illegals or uninvited crosser's unless you consider 1.8 million a small number.
ReplyDeleteWhy not do for the southern border what we expect from Europeans. Apply and be given permission to enter or do what Mexico and Canada do which is have proof you are going to leave.
The immigration bill is much like the presidential candidates which is the best of the worst.
Shaw,
ReplyDeleteWhen we ask the cult about the border funding Trump demanded be killed, they won't respond to it out of their typical moral cowardice and aversion to facts.
The same goes for the indictments against Trump. They won't read them. They refuse to read them, and they decide they don't exist or are lies. No thinking required. No conscience required.
"Ignorance is strength" - Orwell's Big Brother.
"I love the poorly educated." - Trump
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” – The Party (1984)
“Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” - Trump
skudrunner
ReplyDeleteHere's a question for you, skud: Why didn't Trump, when he had the WH, the House and the Senate in 2017, come up with an immigration bill?
Instead, Trump proposed tax cuts for billionaires and the Republican House and Senate passed that.
Our immigration system has been broken for a long, long time.
I don't recall your complaining about immigration during 2017 when Trump and the GOP had complete control over the border and could have passed legislation that addressed that problem.
Maybe immigration problems bother you only when a Democrat is in office? Maybe?
You very well may have hit that nail squarely on its head Shaw.
DeleteTrump, at this point, is fully and completely responsible for the current continuation and increase in undocumented migrants. He and his disfunctional party owns it now. Lock stock and barrel.
For that matter, Trump had a deal with Pelosi and Shumer for his wall done. He reneged on it. If I remember right it was because he got 28 billion for the wall and had to agree to one billion for school lunches. Heaven forbid kids be fed. It's like abortion, they don't really want it outlawed or they lose the elections. All they want is something to get the base of bigots, homophobes and religious zealots fired up over. It's time to face the facts and forget about whatever ideals you have Skuds. Put the Biden sign in your yard and help save our democracy my friend. We're not so far apart on the issues that we can't reach agreement with some work and empathy.
ReplyDeleteThe GOP opposed the immigration bill during the Obama years they helped craft.
ReplyDeleteThe GOP opposed the immigration bill during the Biden years they helped craft.
Anyone see a pattern here?
We will never get the perfect immigration bill some, like Skud, want. Because our Democratic system is built on the idea of consensus and compromise. Everyone gets some of what they love and some of what they hate, but in the end, it's better than what we had.
That's how you legislate in a pluralistic, two party system.
Skud may not like parts of the current immigration bill, but the fact remains, many in the GOP have said it is the best bill we've all seen in years, decades, even.
There's an saw... Don't let great be the enemy of good.
This was/is a good bill. And the GOP got most of what they asked for. They approved it and backed it. Until they were told not to.
Amazing.
The ditched what was good for America to play politics and hurt our country.
Skud... another question for you... If you could write the bill, what would you include? be as specific as you can.
Leslie, Rev and joe101. You do have some errors because the GOP voted against an immigration bill proposed by GWB as well so they are consistent. The democrats don't want the bill to pass and they new it wouldn't so now they blame the other side. Like the national, debt neither party wants a solution because they can't use that topic as a weapon against the other side. Trump did have a plan that seemed to be working which was the wall and remain in Mexico. Genocide joe reversed that decision and look where we are now. You asked what an immigration law should look like. Since they cross from Mexico we should adopt Mexico's immigration law and Rev you know more about that then most.
ReplyDeleteleslie, You seem unhinged but that is due to TDS so you are allowed.
ReplyDeleteSkud, Skud, Skud,
Speaking of errors, you claim without evidence, "The democrats don't want the bill to pass and they new it wouldn't so now they blame the other side."
In fact, Trump came out and said, "Blame me" for killing the bill.
Another unsupported claim:
"Trump did have a plan that seemed to be working which was the wall and remain in Mexico."
Let's factcheck you right now.
Go to the link and see how illegal immigration DROPPED under Obama.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/the-facts-on-the-increase-in-illegal-immigration/
"Apprehensions on the southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, with some fluctuations. In 2017, apprehensions hit the lowest level since 1972, but they spiked in fiscal year 2019 at 851,508 and fell back down to 400,651 in fiscal 2020."
After an INCREASE under Trump, it was the pandemic, not Trumps "plan" that reduced the border crossings.
Better blame Obama and Biden, since you will do so anyway, regardless of the facts.
It seems YOU are the only one here unhinged from the facts.
To be fair, illegal immigration has increased under Biden, but so have deportations.
ReplyDeleteThe remain in Mexico provision IS STILL IN EFFECT.
Dube, If we are going going to the history books Ike had one of the best illegal immigration policies. Obama was a great special interest president but his let someone else deal with illegals was his norm. DACA, Obamacare were temporary measures designed to push the can to someone else.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be confused but at least you give some numbers. 400,651 in 2020 and 2.5 million in 2023. Check your math because that is a rise and 2020 was when the evil one was at the throne which shows that remain in mexico actually worked and genocide joe cancelled that as one of his first acts as leader. The "immigration" bill would allow 1.8 million crossers a year or four times 2020 or twice as many as 2019.
Once again, Skud. "Remain in Mexico" is STILL IN EFFECT!
ReplyDeleteOnce again, Republicans REFUSED to cooperate with the hated Black President on ANY border bill.
Then the racists DENIED Obama's Constitutional duty to replace a Supreme Court justice because it was "Too close" to an election EIGHT MONTHS AWAY. Then they rammed THEIR theocrat down our throats DURING AN ELECTION.
You can't acknowledge their evil racism and authoritarian behavior can you? Always back to the "both sides" tripe.
Dube, "Remain in Mexico" is STILL IN EFFECT If you believe that then there is nothing anyone can say to relieve you of your delusion.
ReplyDeleteOnce more for Skud and the others in the back of the room:
ReplyDeleteThe “Remain in Mexico” (officially called the Migrant Protection Protocols) program at the Mexico-United States border, originally begun in January 2019 under the administration of US President Donald Trump, was restarted by President Joe Biden on December 6, 2021.
https://www.hrw.org/tag/remain-mexico
Good Job dube you are a believer. Were you aware that it is illegal to steal and mug people yet most of us believe it still happens. A law is only as good as the enforcement of it and it is not enforced. You really should visit the border but you would still believe they remain in Mexico because after all there is a law and genocide joe restarted the program. Watch out you window and you will see the tooth fairy fly by.
ReplyDeleteI believe you're confusing President Biden with genocidal Netanyahu in Gaza skud. But, we're used to such tactics from you.
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