"As the light changed from red to green to yellow and back again, I sat there thinking about life. Was it nothing more than a bunch of honking and yelling? Sometimes it seemed that way." --Jack Handy
Les, I am not certain it is self inflicted suffering. It is politician inflicted suffering by not passing a CR so the government can remain open while our elected elite hash it out. The schumer shutdown is hurting the people he says he supports. This is not about the democrat billionaire class but about the middle class which the left has tried to destroy for years.
I firmly and unequivocally disagree. The shutdown is the total responsibility of the fascist party now in power. A party with a moron for a leader, a group of ignorant deluded fools following the authoritarian to the edge of the abyss.
But frankly, at 73 years of age I personally won't live long enough to witness the destruction your moronic presnit and his party of sheeple are planning to reign down on their new Amerika.
I just hope the moron and his party don't destroy my retirement savings and get social security. A plan they most certainly are considering. The old republican party and the new tRumpublican party has had their eyes on SS for years.
In truth skud, neither your presnit or hs party gives a sh*t about the working pooemr or the middle class. The Reagan era started the descent into greed and the I got mine screw you mentality. it has ONLY gotten worse since then. An the moron in charge and his sycophants have simply put greed and a lack of compassion on steriods.
I've had it with the lies, white supremacy, racism, lack of empathy, bigotry, and the rest ot the rRumpublican's ignorant deluded agenda. They're nothing but a group of insensitive incompetent a-holes in the rRumpublican government.
Skud... it is if you allow it. The fact you, like others, feel the need to cast personal blame on specific people, always Dems and liberals BTW, and not the totality of the system, says much.
People who do as you do, whether from the right, or the left, are allowing it.
As FLOTUS Melania might say, be better.
The shutdown is not solely on Sen Schumer, it's on the entire Congressional leadership. It's not solely on Speaker Johnson either. It's on our entire Congressional leadership.
That may be true Dave, that some insignificant degree of responsibility rests with the democrats.
However, after watching the party of no actually accepting the current abomination of a "man" as their leader, accept his incessant lies and indecency, make excuses for his 2021 insurrection attempt, his "leadership" in opening doors to fascism and authoritarianism, confirming idiots like Hegseth and others, and SO MUCH more I really don't have the patience to show much grace towards folk that that are intent on regressing to 1900 social stabdards or earlier.
That's how the trend looks to me and from what my perusal across the information highway more people agree than disagree. At any rate or any case it's going to be long, grueling slog through tRump's caca agenda before this nation recovers. If it ever does.
Dave, If it is not schumers doing why have 13 previous CR passed so negotiations could proceed. All the talk about preserving ACA benefits is smoke because it is all about trump. If they were truly interested in helping our citizens they would enter in to a CR and then negotiate. What they have said is if we don't get what we want we will punish everyone and blame you. You are in the belief that politicians do what is best for the country. I believe the only thing the care about is themselves and the fortune.
You claim not to believe ANY politician has integrity. That politicians ONLY look out for themselves, not their constituents, the people they represent.
Yet you consistently stand behind te very politicians and elites that pursue the very self serving interests you claim to despise.
Why is that skud? As I noted in a prior post comment, 22 years ago I was you skud. But reality woke me up and once seen it cannot be unseen.
What you desire skud will never come to pass supporting the selfish, uncaring, self serving policies of the KSoA and his Christian Nationalist party and its fascist agenda.
Here's what I've read: "If the government reopens with the CR the way it's written now, Healthcare subsidies expire. John Thune can invoke the "nuclear option" requiring only a 50+1 to pass the CR. Why has he not? Simple. He knows the consequences of the CR passing and who Americans will point to if their insurance premiums skyrocket."
That being said, this is mainly a Republican shutdown. Don't let the subsidies expire and remove any language that negativity impacts healthcare and Democrats will pass the bill. Period.
I do feel for those who WORK and receive SNAP because their employer pays trash wages. I feel for the elderly, disabled, children and Veterans.
And skud doubles down on their reprehensible opinions because that's what their president does all the time.
It was the GOP president who told the Dems to f**k off (literally) and told the press the GOP didn't need the Dems. It was the GOP who negotiated with the Dems in good faith at the end of the last budget reconciliation only to then claw back expenditures already agreed upon causing the first wave of economic instability when they won the Senate, House, and Presidency.
But hey, it's all the Dems fault because the GOP president told their idiot followers it was the Dems fault and because they are idiots, they repeated what they were told. And here is skud, repeating idiotic excuses and sounding idiotic. But nope they've told us repeatedly they aren't an idiot???
It doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to make sense. It's gaslighting at a master course level. It's protection of the law for me and the burden for thee weaponized.
For the record, it always was about protecting the healthcare for millions of citizens because when Democratic politicians heard from their constituents about how they wouldn't be able to afford healthcare they listened no matter the party of that constituent. That is not "politics", that's caring for their fellow citizens, something skud is too callous and jaded to believe occurs.
Wasn't going to say anything or call skud out for their horrible opinions but they doubled down on being idiotic and I just had to point out how much they sounded like an idiot.
Hey skud, don't want to be labeled an idiot? Then stop repeating idiotic ideas.
I found the Democratic plank skud claims doesn't exist. Health care is a right. Food is a right. Housing is a right. Keeping ones house warm or cool is a right. There are too many of us for everyone to homestead. Yeah, there are acres and acres of open land but consider this: in over 250 years that land has not been made into a city, why not? Oh, there are reasons but our trolls don't appreciate the facts I bring so I'll let them find out the reasons on their own. Bring a canteen, maybe three or four while looking for answers. Just a thought.
Negotiating with idiots is much like working with a very stubborn determined not to budge mule. However, in reality, it may be less stressful with the stubborn mule.
So the answer is to let the extension of benefits expire. This is all political theater so they can blame each other. Grey, What do you expect from the deplorables. If you believe in the everyone is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Nowhere does it say everyone is entitled to healthcare, food, shelter all paid for by someone else.
And there is the Evangelical Prosperity Gospel, Greedy Capitalism, and Lack of Compassion all rolled up in a neat conservative MAGA ball by PE's favorite con.
How about this Skud... you're right, it's all on Schumer. You're always right and my desire to find some balance between the two parties is stupid. Again, I apologize for seeing nuance, two sides and for having a multitude of very smart friends from both who speak into my life. But I thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I'll just tell one side or the other their all clowns, stop thinking, because it really is hard and follow the herd you're leading.
Heck, maybe I'll be happier.
I'll start this week.
Sorry for my response on the post above this one. It was before my epiphany.
David, There is total agreement between the parties. They are both equally obsessed with trump. The democrats spend all their time and effort on hating trump and the republicans spend all their time and effort on praising him. The result is we have a political government shutdown affecting the entire country except the people who are responsible for the shutdown and that is the politically corrupt. How much time has either side spent on coming up with solutions for the problems in our country. They get paid and the country suffers .
Shaw... I've reformed. We had a presidential candidate in 2000 here in Mexico named Vicente Fox. His campaign logo was the V for Victory hand sign and a line that said "Soy con Fox" I'm with Fox.
For the rest of week i'm trying out a new persona... Soy con Skud, I'm with Skud!
So... here goes.
Ms Shaw, I agree with skud. Those benefits Americans "need" need to go away so we can negotiate bringing them back in a better fashion. That's what Speaker Johnson is trying to do, but chuckie d won't let it happen. Maybe he doesn't love as many Americans as you and dave think. It must be hard for all of you real deplorables to sit at your keyboards while real Americans suffer.
What an idiot this guy Hawley from Missouri who wrote this today regarding the federal budget, in the liberal rag NY Times...
"We’re not talking about high earners who don’t really need the assistance. SNAP broadly limits assistance to those who make 130 percent of the poverty line and below. These days, that’s folks who earn about $42,000 or less for a family of four. For these good people, food assistance is not an optional extra. They need it to feed their children."
What is Hawley talking about? That granny should tell her kid to get a better job and feed her kids herself. That's what my parents did! Sure I was hungry, but that hunger didn't hurt me much. It helps build character. I mean she makes 42K in Missouri, How much can it cost to live in a state like that!
SNAP is one of the best assistance programs that exist. Other EBT programs allow to broad in its purchasing choices.
Dave I am glad you are coming to your senses maybe soon you will have a drastic epiphany and be against government waste. Just imagine for every dollar we reduce in government waste we could channel to helping people. Of course our elected elite would suffer because they won't have all those massive speaking fees to enrich their
Want to help people, start by reducing war making expenditures and lavish unnecessary events like the completely unnecessary gathering if generals ect. Which could have effectively been handled o line. Perhapsa secure Zoom or such.
But no, Hegseth and tRump needed their expensive global exposure.
Yes Skud! No more lefty libs for me. Why be angry when I can love life and quit worrying about anyone else. I'll feel even better once my wife full bird combat tested tank commander colonel is separated from the US Army because he has a beard due to ingrown hairs. It's an order from our Great MAGA Secretary of WAR Pete Hegseth. None of those Viking Hairy Warriors, black or white, for us. No siree...
And by gosh, you're right on the deficit. Just like Elon said, we can cut 25% or two trillion easily and there's no way that money going away will even touch our GREAT economy. Especially with more tax cuts from our friends in the GOP!
What? Me worry? Never amigo. Somos juntos, somos MAGA!!!! Siempre.
It is if you allow it.
ReplyDeleteThis nation is beyond just honking and yelling. We've chosen the path directly into confusion, chaos, and self inflicted suffering.
And it's just beginning.
Les, I am not certain it is self inflicted suffering. It is politician inflicted suffering by not passing a CR so the government can remain open while our elected elite hash it out. The schumer shutdown is hurting the people he says he supports. This is not about the democrat billionaire class but about the middle class which the left has tried to destroy for years.
ReplyDeleteI firmly and unequivocally disagree. The shutdown is the total responsibility of the fascist party now in power. A party with a moron for a leader, a group of ignorant deluded fools following the authoritarian to the edge of the abyss.
DeleteBut frankly, at 73 years of age I personally won't live long enough to witness the destruction your moronic presnit and his party of sheeple are planning to reign down on their new Amerika.
I just hope the moron and his party don't destroy my retirement savings and get social security. A plan they most certainly are considering. The old republican party and the new tRumpublican party has had their eyes on SS for years.
In truth skud, neither your presnit or hs party gives a sh*t about the working pooemr or the middle class. The Reagan era started the descent into greed and the I got mine screw you mentality. it has ONLY gotten worse since then. An the moron in charge and his sycophants have simply put greed and a lack of compassion on steriods.
I've had it with the lies, white supremacy, racism, lack of empathy, bigotry, and the rest ot the rRumpublican's ignorant deluded agenda. They're nothing but a group of insensitive incompetent a-holes in the rRumpublican government.
Skud... it is if you allow it. The fact you, like others, feel the need to cast personal blame on specific people, always Dems and liberals BTW, and not the totality of the system, says much.
ReplyDeletePeople who do as you do, whether from the right, or the left, are allowing it.
As FLOTUS Melania might say, be better.
The shutdown is not solely on Sen Schumer, it's on the entire Congressional leadership. It's not solely on Speaker Johnson either. It's on our entire Congressional leadership.
That may be true Dave, that some insignificant degree of responsibility rests with the democrats.
ReplyDeleteHowever, after watching the party of no actually accepting the current abomination of a "man" as their leader, accept his incessant lies and indecency, make excuses for his 2021 insurrection attempt, his "leadership" in opening doors to fascism and authoritarianism, confirming idiots like Hegseth and others, and SO MUCH more I really don't have the patience to show much grace towards folk that that are intent on regressing to 1900 social stabdards or earlier.
That's how the trend looks to me and from what my perusal across the information highway more people agree than disagree. At any rate or any case it's going to be long, grueling slog through tRump's caca agenda before this nation recovers. If it ever does.
Dave, If it is not schumers doing why have 13 previous CR passed so negotiations could proceed. All the talk about preserving ACA benefits is smoke because it is all about trump. If they were truly interested in helping our citizens they would enter in to a CR and then negotiate. What they have said is if we don't get what we want we will punish everyone and blame you.
ReplyDeleteYou are in the belief that politicians do what is best for the country. I believe the only thing the care about is themselves and the fortune.
You claim not to believe ANY politician has integrity. That politicians ONLY look out for themselves, not their constituents, the people they represent.
DeleteYet you consistently stand behind te very politicians and elites that pursue the very self serving interests you claim to despise.
Why is that skud? As I noted in a prior post comment, 22 years ago I was you skud. But reality woke me up and once seen it cannot be unseen.
What you desire skud will never come to pass supporting the selfish, uncaring, self serving policies of the KSoA and his Christian Nationalist party and its fascist agenda.
Here's what I've read: "If the government reopens with the CR the way it's written now, Healthcare subsidies expire. John Thune can invoke the "nuclear option" requiring only a 50+1 to pass the CR. Why has he not? Simple. He knows the consequences of the CR passing and who Americans will point to if their insurance premiums skyrocket."
DeleteThat being said, this is mainly a Republican shutdown. Don't let the subsidies expire and remove any language that negativity impacts healthcare and Democrats will pass the bill. Period.
I do feel for those who WORK and receive SNAP because their employer pays trash wages. I feel for the elderly, disabled, children and Veterans.
In our community, we're donating to foodbanks.
And skud doubles down on their reprehensible opinions because that's what their president does all the time.
ReplyDeleteIt was the GOP president who told the Dems to f**k off (literally) and told the press the GOP didn't need the Dems. It was the GOP who negotiated with the Dems in good faith at the end of the last budget reconciliation only to then claw back expenditures already agreed upon causing the first wave of economic instability when they won the Senate, House, and Presidency.
But hey, it's all the Dems fault because the GOP president told their idiot followers it was the Dems fault and because they are idiots, they repeated what they were told. And here is skud, repeating idiotic excuses and sounding idiotic. But nope they've told us repeatedly they aren't an idiot???
It doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to make sense. It's gaslighting at a master course level. It's protection of the law for me and the burden for thee weaponized.
For the record, it always was about protecting the healthcare for millions of citizens because when Democratic politicians heard from their constituents about how they wouldn't be able to afford healthcare they listened no matter the party of that constituent. That is not "politics", that's caring for their fellow citizens, something skud is too callous and jaded to believe occurs.
Wasn't going to say anything or call skud out for their horrible opinions but they doubled down on being idiotic and I just had to point out how much they sounded like an idiot.
Hey skud, don't want to be labeled an idiot? Then stop repeating idiotic ideas.
I found the Democratic plank skud claims doesn't exist. Health care is a right. Food is a right. Housing is a right. Keeping ones house warm or cool is a right. There are too many of us for everyone to homestead. Yeah, there are acres and acres of open land but consider this: in over 250 years that land has not been made into a city, why not? Oh, there are reasons but our trolls don't appreciate the facts I bring so I'll let them find out the reasons on their own. Bring a canteen, maybe three or four while looking for answers. Just a thought.
Pass a CR? THEN negotiate with speaker Johnson? Bwaaa ha ha!
ReplyDeleteNegotiating with idiots is much like working with a very stubborn determined not to budge mule. However, in reality, it may be less stressful with the stubborn mule.
ReplyDeleteSo the answer is to let the extension of benefits expire. This is all political theater so they can blame each other.
ReplyDeleteGrey, What do you expect from the deplorables. If you believe in the everyone is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Nowhere does it say everyone is entitled to healthcare, food, shelter all paid for by someone else.
And there is the Evangelical Prosperity Gospel, Greedy Capitalism, and Lack of Compassion all rolled up in a neat conservative MAGA ball by PE's favorite con.
DeleteHow about this Skud... you're right, it's all on Schumer. You're always right and my desire to find some balance between the two parties is stupid. Again, I apologize for seeing nuance, two sides and for having a multitude of very smart friends from both who speak into my life. But I thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I'll just tell one side or the other their all clowns, stop thinking, because it really is hard and follow the herd you're leading.
ReplyDeleteHeck, maybe I'll be happier.
I'll start this week.
Sorry for my response on the post above this one. It was before my epiphany.
One week amigo.
David, There is total agreement between the parties. They are both equally obsessed with trump. The democrats spend all their time and effort on hating trump and the republicans spend all their time and effort on praising him.
DeleteThe result is we have a political government shutdown affecting the entire country except the people who are responsible for the shutdown and that is the politically corrupt.
How much time has either side spent on coming up with solutions for the problems in our country. They get paid and the country suffers .
Shaw... I've reformed. We had a presidential candidate in 2000 here in Mexico named Vicente Fox. His campaign logo was the V for Victory hand sign and a line that said "Soy con Fox" I'm with Fox.
ReplyDeleteFor the rest of week i'm trying out a new persona... Soy con Skud, I'm with Skud!
So... here goes.
Ms Shaw, I agree with skud. Those benefits Americans "need" need to go away so we can negotiate bringing them back in a better fashion. That's what Speaker Johnson is trying to do, but chuckie d won't let it happen. Maybe he doesn't love as many Americans as you and dave think. It must be hard for all of you real deplorables to sit at your keyboards while real Americans suffer.
What an idiot this guy Hawley from Missouri who wrote this today regarding the federal budget, in the liberal rag NY Times...
ReplyDelete"We’re not talking about high earners who don’t really need the assistance. SNAP broadly limits assistance to those who make 130 percent of the poverty line and below. These days, that’s folks who earn about $42,000 or less for a family of four. For these good people, food assistance is not an optional extra. They need it to feed their children."
What is Hawley talking about? That granny should tell her kid to get a better job and feed her kids herself. That's what my parents did! Sure I was hungry, but that hunger didn't hurt me much. It helps build character. I mean she makes 42K in Missouri, How much can it cost to live in a state like that!
Hawley=Loser!
Wow, Hawley? Perhaps he's experienced an epiphany too.
ReplyDeleteSNAP is one of the best assistance programs that exist. Other EBT programs allow to broad in its purchasing choices.
ReplyDeleteDave I am glad you are coming to your senses maybe soon you will have a drastic epiphany and be against government waste. Just imagine for every dollar we reduce in government waste we could channel to helping people. Of course our elected elite would suffer because they won't have all those massive speaking fees to enrich their
Want to help people, start by reducing war making expenditures and lavish unnecessary events like the completely unnecessary gathering if generals ect. Which could have effectively been handled o line. Perhapsa secure Zoom or such.
ReplyDeleteBut no, Hegseth and tRump needed their expensive global exposure.
Idiots all is the tRump regime.
Yes Skud! No more lefty libs for me. Why be angry when I can love life and quit worrying about anyone else. I'll feel even better once my wife full bird combat tested tank commander colonel is separated from the US Army because he has a beard due to ingrown hairs. It's an order from our Great MAGA Secretary of WAR Pete Hegseth. None of those Viking Hairy Warriors, black or white, for us. No siree...
ReplyDeleteAnd by gosh, you're right on the deficit. Just like Elon said, we can cut 25% or two trillion easily and there's no way that money going away will even touch our GREAT economy. Especially with more tax cuts from our friends in the GOP!
What? Me worry? Never amigo. Somos juntos, somos MAGA!!!! Siempre.