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Monday, December 22, 2014

Oh fer gawd's sake!



Of all the subjects this supposedly intelligent man could choose to speak on, he chooses a ridiculous comparison:  The United States of America is just like Nazi Germany!

Dr. Carson will never be president, but if he keeps this extremist talk going, he'll certainly be a political nincompoop.



Ben Carson stands by comparison of U.S. to Nazi Germany




Washington (CNN) -- Neurosurgeon Ben Carson stood by his controversial comparison of the United States to Nazi Germany in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday. Asked by Blitzer whether he would amend or take back his comments, Carson said "Absolutely not." 

Carson made the comments during a March interview with conservative news outlet Breitbart.com. He noted that the Third Reich was "using its tools to intimidate the population," and said that "we now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."


Said the guy who is not afraid of comparing the Obama administration to a genocidal regime.  In fact, what no Gee-Oh-Pee-er is ever afraid of is bashing, trashing, and gnashing ANYTHING President Obama, his wife, and his children do.  So the poor doctor seems a tad "off" in his inept and inapt description of present-day America.

But his nonsensical labeling of America as Nazi Germany wins him points with the lunkheads who actually believe this otherwise talented surgeon, but silly politician, will EVER be president.

Calling America "Nazi Germany" is stupid, but no more stupid than the crazies who promote this garbage:




"WITH THE RECENT ASSASSINATION OF TWO NYPD COPS, MAYBE EVERYONE WILL SOON START TO AGREE THAT THIS IS NOW A POGROM."




Those who would promote that sort of insidious lie are no better than street thugs who incite violence.  They are as hate-crazed and insane as those who would turn people against the police who honorably serve their communities.  

Extremists on both sides solve nothing. It is obvious from the screaming headline above that their goal is to bring more divisiveness, unrest, and violence to an already volatile situation.  

Dr. Carson labeled the Obama administration "Nazi Germany" for intimidating people who disagree but are "afraid" to speak against the government.  But he and the propagandists who call what happened to two policemen a "pogrom" are the ones who are trying to shut down what have been peaceful demonstrations for better policing:


Jamelle Bouie:
"Despite what these police organizations and their allies allege, there isn’t an anti-police movement in this country, or at least, none of any significance. The people demonstrating for Eric Garner and Michael Brown aren’t against police, they are for better policing. 

They want departments to treat their communities with respect, and they want accountability for officers who kill their neighbors without justification. When criminals kill law-abiding citizens, they’re punished. When criminals kill cops, they’re punished. 

But when cops kill citizens, the system breaks down and no one is held accountable. That is what people are protesting. … The idea that citizens can’t criticize police—that free speech excludes scrutiny of state violence—is disturbing. 

Since, if free speech doesn’t include the right to challenge the official use of force, then it isn’t really free speech."


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:


"In a Dec. 21, 2014 article about the shooting, the Los Angeles Times referred to the New York City protests as “anti-police marches,” which is grossly inaccurate and illustrates the problem of perception the protestors are battling. 

The marches are meant to raise awareness of double standards, lack of adequate police candidate screening, and insufficient training that have resulted in unnecessary killings. 

Police are not under attack, institutionalized racism is. Trying to remove sexually abusive priests is not an attack on Catholicism, nor is removing ineffective teachers an attack on education. 

Bad apples, bad training, and bad officials who blindly protect them, are the enemy. And any institution worth saving should want to eliminate them, too."

h/t Andrew Sullivan's blog


And where was the outrage over the killing of these two policemen by White Supremacists? Where's the accusation of a White Supremacist POGROM? 

*crickets*



The pair who fatally shot two Las Vegas police officers and one civilian before taking their own lives Sunday have “some apparent ideology that is along the lines of militia and white supremacists,” according to authorities.


 

And this?  POGROM HERE, TOO?




And the silence was deafening from the right wing noise machine over the Christian Militia plot to kill police (Was this a Christian "Intifada" against the police?): 

 'Christian warrior' militia accused in plot to kill police.

36 comments:

Shaw Kenawe said...

Michael Tomasky:

"Pat Lynch, by speaking of officers’ blood on the steps of City Hall and urging his cops to sign an online petition that de Blasio not attend their funerals should they be killed in the line of duty, is doing… what? His behavior is divisive to the point of savagery. He is actively trying to make the people who follow him not only despise de Blasio but despise and oppose any acknowledgement that police can be faulted in any way, that black fear of police has any basis in reality. If Al Sharpton did the same with regard to police departments tout suite, which he does not anymore—he denounced the murder of the two cops immediately—he’d be drummed out of society.

Still, de Blasio should find ways to rise above all this. That’s part of the responsibility that comes with being mayor. But he should not back down from what he said."

Rational Nation USA said...

The Ominous Parallels

Titan you're famous! said...

So much for the Right's much vaunted concept of "freedom," eh, Shaw? The minute a tragic killing occurs, the Right conveniently blames everyone they hate and fear. It is their demented concept of "guilt by association." But only when it suits their wild accusations, never the other way around.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Ominous parallels? Exactly which cultural or ethnic group has the Obama administration singled out for genocide? Has the administration sewn yellow symbols on any groups' clothing? Has the administration made illegal any cultural, racial, or religious groups' owning businesses? Teaching in universities? Is the administration arming itself to go to war against Canada? Mexico? Or to annex either country to our territory?

Why is it that people who do not share political beliefs with the administration in power (Dems or Repubs) always accuse it of being just like Nazi Germany or Ominously Parallel to Nazi Germany?

We have many problems in this country, but IMO turning into Nazi Germany isn't one of them.

Anonymous said...

Jesus H. Crullers Shaw! Those people get their ideas and information from "The Dumbest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft Gateway Pundit. Do you really expect any sanity from them?

Rational Nation USA said...

I suggest you read the book Shaw, it is critical of the right. Written by Professor Leonard Piekoff in the early eighties it points up parallels between the things that led up to the Germany of the 30's and 40's and trends in America under conservative leadership. For starters thing a hightened level of nationalism.

Shaw Kenawe said...

RN, do you believe this country is headed that way? There will always be elements of fascism and communism in any political system. Do you really think the parallels are so great as to bring on a fascist state here?

Rational Nation USA said...

Do you really think the parallels are so great as to bring on a fascist state here?

Not as long as the principles of our Constitution remain the strong guiding framework of our republic Shaw.

You really should read te book.

Shaw Kenawe said...

I will order it from the library. Right now I'm plowing through "The Life and Times of Cotton Mather."

That is a great history and insight to colonial America of Boston and New England and what life was like under theocratic rule. The Puritans were not shy about banishing, punishing, torturing, or killing people who did not share their particular brand of Christianity.

*shudder*

skudrunner said...

Somehow when the mayor, AG and the president place all blame on the police you really can't expect them to just say oh well.

This has been an ongoing indictment of law enforcement with this administration starting with presbo calling the policeman stupid because he confronted a black man appearing to break into his home. Gotten much worse since that incident.

Wonder when the AG will go to NYC and lend support over the murdered officers, doubt if it will happen.

Jerry Critter said...

"The Puritans were not shy about banishing, punishing, torturing, or killing people who did not share their particular brand of Christianity."

Some fundamentalists would like to return us to those times.

C. Johnson the 3rd said...

Shaw, Shaw, Shaw. Don't you know that when Christians act like beasts the right wingers tell us all that "those people are not REAL Chistians!" But when tragedies happen that kill policemen, ALL liberals and protesters are guilty because they're all REAL police haters!

Their logic is simple: When our people do it, that's an aberration; when liberals do it, it's normal.

You can't win arguments with people who are not rational.

Shaw Kenawe said...

skud, I published your comment to show how distorted and venomous the thinking is on the right, and how they lose their reason over these sorts of tragedies.

President Obama NEVER, NEVER, NEVER placed "all the blame" on the police. Your writing that is a dirty lie.

You, like your foolish brethren, are using this to promote your rancid hatred of anything to do with Mr. Obama and his administration. It's sick and it's false.

You guys always try to win an argument with lies, deceit, and vicious slander.

The president never placed all the blame on the police.

As for the Cambridge incident, I agree with what the president observed: That the police were "stupid" to arrest a man in his OWN HOUSE after showing his identification that he, indeed, lived there. What's more stupid than that.

You need to grow up and learn that although most policemen are honorable and brave public servants, there are among their ranks stupid, dishonest, and corrupt members.



Shaw Kenawe said...

To counter skudrunner's dirty lie, I present President Obama ACTUAL WORDS on the New York police killings:

"I unconditionally condemn today’s murder of two police officers in New York City. Two brave men won’t be going home to their loved ones tonight, and for that, there is no justification. The officers who serve and protect our communities risk their own safety for ours every single day – and they deserve our respect and gratitude every single day. Tonight, I ask people to reject violence and words that harm, and turn to words that heal – prayer, patient dialogue, and sympathy for the friends and family of the fallen."


Skudrunner and his ilk believe that any support of any black family that has suffered the loss of a relative through bad policing is automatically "anti-police," when in fact it is "pro-good policing and anti-bad policing." However, the dishonest from the right is appalling and rotten to the core on this matter.

Shaw Kenawe said...

A quick tour of the usual right wing blogs shows that none of them, not one, covered the execution of the policemen in Nevada by a white supremacist group.

No one on those blogs called it a "pogrom." Or an "intifada."

See here's the truth. This outrage over what happened in New York is not about the policemen who lost their lives, but about an opportunity to smear Mr. Obama and Mr. DeBlasio by the right wing noise machine. Why do I know this?

Because not one of those who are bellowing the loudest on the usual right wing blogs gave notice about the two policemen who were killed in Nevada in June by white supremacists.

Skud and his pals are interest only in their grievances (mainly that "those" people are in "their" White House), and not in the lives of policemen.

Skud never came here to discuss the deaths of the policemen in Nevada. No. He. Did. Not. But he scurried here to tell us a lie about the president's reaction to the New York tragedy, to score lie-points, to defame, to spread his and his friends malevolent bile against Mr. Obama.

Disgusting.

skudrunner said...

Shaw,

I did notice that obama rushed to the press room for a press conference about the murders of the NYCPD.

POTUS calls a police officer stupid before he had any facts, that was stupid and I would feel the same way if it was RR who said it.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Still no answer, skud, on why the deaths of two policemen, actually, execution of two policemen by white supremacists escaped your and your brethren's notice on right wing blogs. Also, the plan by Christian militias to kill policemen?

Why were you and they silent on these "progroms" and "intifadas?"

You and they would have some creds if you were consistent on these matters. That you and they are not is proof of your scurrilous motives.

Shaw Kenawe said...

T.Y.F., because the right never said a peep about the deaths of the two policemen by white supremacists, I have to believe all their foolish talk and fake outrage is nothing more than a chance to score hate-points against Mr. Obama and their bellowing idiocy has nothing to do with the tragic death of the NY policemen. The worst sort of hypocrites.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anon@9:39

Yes.People are very aware of their double-standard.

Jerry, I don't think most Americans know the early history of the theocracy in colonial America.

C.J., 3rd: Yes. I know. Some of us keep trying, though.

Shaw Kenawe said...

BTW, for skud's elucidation, here's more of Mr. Obama's "blaming the police:"

"I also appeal to the law enforcement officials in Ferguson and the region to show care and restraint in managing peaceful protests that may occur. Understand, our police officers put their lives on the line for us every single day. They’ve got a tough job to do to maintain public safety and hold accountable those who break the law. As they do their jobs in the coming days, they need to work with the community, not against the community, to distinguish the handful of people who may use the grand jury’s decision as an excuse for violence

[...]

Those of you who are watching tonight understand that there’s never an excuse for violence, particularly when there are a lot of people in goodwill out there who are willing to work on these issues>"


Disgusting, isn’t it, skud?

Such terrible words from the president on keeping calm and respecting the police.


Rational Nation USA said...

Still no answer, skud, on why the deaths of two policemen, actually, execution of two policemen by white supremacists escaped your and your brethren's notice on right wing blogs. Also, the plan by Christian militias to kill policemen?

Why were you and they silent on these "progroms" and "intifadas?"

You and they would have some creds if you were consistent on these matters. That you and they are not is proof of your scurrilous motives.


Or, they haven't yet gotten around to it perhaps? At least one would hope that be the case.

Any such barbaric, unlawful, represhensible actions should be condemed by all.

Ducky's here said...

This reminds me of the time when Giuliani was stirring folks up at police demonstrations that labeled David Dinkins as a washroom attendant. Back in the day when there was an issue of police accountability.

They'll trot out the same cast of characters and we'll get nowhere.
Someone who isn't even a resident of NYC, had nothing to do with the protests and could have gone off anytime becomes the reason to stop all protests.

So skud, just what support is possible? Sane gun laws?
Just how can we purge this?
Just blame Obama and ignore any issues of poor policing? Is that your idea of support?

skudrunner said...

Shaw,

You do seem to ignore the fact that presbo rushed to have a press conference in the case of the officer who defended himself and but his immediate attention was not necessary in NYC.

Your attempt to divert attention away from da king means little. Maybe they should point out that this was a racial issue because both of the LEO's were minorities.

Duck, maybe we should enforce the laws on the books.

Ann Adamsapple said...

Won't someone think about the right of insane criminals with a record a mile long to acquire a handgun and use it to shoot their girlfriends and two police officers at point blank range?

Maybe that loud mouthed oaf from the NYPD union ought to think about the NRA when he's assigning blame.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Sorry skud, whining about how fast the president responded to the two killings has nothing to do with this issue and everything to do with your rancid hatred of Mr. Obama. There is nothing he does that can pass your rigid right wing paranoia test. Every time Obama does ANYTHING you come here and bitch about his motives on EVERYTHING.

Why don't you take your brilliant insights and post them over at the blog that welcomes links to sodomy, fornication and photos of the First Lady as a gorilla? Y'know, Lisa's Smut Hut, where every time her two favorite boot-lickers arrive the average IQ drops to the level of box of hammers,

Heh.

I'm Skippy's Mom said...

Julie Annie had his own troubles with the NYPD. Or has the right forgotten?

"This isn't the first time a politician has faced criticism over not doing enough to support police during tense periods. In 1997, officers passed out fliers asking that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani "be denied attendance of any memorial service in my honor" should they die, as his "'ttendance would only bring disgrace to my memory.' "

Cops didn't like hinm either.

Shaw Kenawe said...

I'm posting this from the comment section below:


Howard Brazee said...
How is this different from Jerad & Amada Miller killing Los Vegas cops for their right wing insanity?

The response from the right is very, very different.

December 22, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Shaw Kenawe said...

It's different, Howard, because the right politicizes these tragedies.

The executions of the two policemen in Nevada produced no outrage whatsoever. But the deaths of 2 policemen in New York where demonstrations have been held was perfect for the hypocrites' outrage.

If they didn't blubber over the deaths of 2 policemen in Nevada, why are they doing so now?

It's a question they cannot answer.

Anonymous said...

2 Nevada Cops Executed

Never saw that headline on any right wing blog when that happened.

Wonder why.

Anonymous said...

Slimy Baltimore FOX Affiliate Caught Faking "Kill a Cop" Protest Chant
9+*


Last night, Baltimore's WBFF aired a video of protesters chanting "kill a cop"– evidence, it claimed, of murderously violent rhetoric on the part of anti-brutality protesters in Washington, D.C. The only problem? The protesters weren't chanting "kill a cop" at all, and there's video evidence to prove it.

The current national pastime appears to be constructing elaborate ways of laying responsibility for recent police shootings at the feet of anti-police-brutality protesters. This, of course, is bullshit. Faced with the daunting task of shifting blame for broad and escalating distrust of police away from the murderous bastards themselves and onto mostly non-violent activists, our insanely cynical news media has been forced to dig deep into their bag of tricks.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

Neuro-sturgeon Ben Carson: "we now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."

It appears the bottom-feeding neuro-sturgeon has a peculiar relationship with language and logic. Language is not magical thinking. Thinking something is true and saying something is true does not automatically make it true. Time for a reality check - let’s put his words to the test:

If America is turning into Nazi Germany and “using its tools to intimidate the population," then why is he tempting fate when he should go into hiding? Has the Secret Service knocked down his door lately? Put a gag on him? Confiscated his property? Where is the persecution? The pogroms?

Children engage in magical thinking when they conjure up witches, ghosts, and goblins: We can easily dismiss the active imaginations of children as cute and charming; it is palpably dangerous when adults incite fear and then burn witches at the stake.

The practitioners of paranoia are also possessed of an authoritarian mindset. In their minds, you are not a Real American if you don’t conform, which means: Think like them, worship like them, look like them, dress like them, vote like them, live like them, eat like them, and smell like them.

If you don’t conform to their ideal of a Real American, you are not worthy to vote, worthy of full human rights, or worthy of full citizenship. Their Public Enemies list includes: Godless liberals, feminazis, commie-socialists, racial minorities, rag heads, homos, intellectuals, immigrants, or anything foreign and strange to them.

We make a mistake in assuming these acts of rightwing magical thinking are merely deceptions or ploys to deceive gullible bumpkins. Correction: Rightwingers truly believe these lies as assuredly as children scream at imaginary ghosts and goblins, and the imagined Nazis are projections of themselves.

No amount of fact checking or argument will change matters or change minds. Know what you are dealing with!

Shaw Kenawe said...

As a talented surgeon, Dr. Carson makes a dumbass politician.

He warns his followers of creeping Nazism in America while he exercises his unmolested right to criticize and trash the present administration.

Magical thinking? Yes. And stooooopid, too.

Rational Nation USA said...

I find leftist thinking like Castro, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che Guevara, Lenin, etc as dangerous as right wing thinking in America.

Tyranny us tyranny whether it originates in left wing or right wing ideology. All ideologies left unchecked will eventually morph into tyranny. Our founders knew this and the Constitution was the result.

I believe it was Ben Franklin who responded when asked what kind if government had been given the people... A republic ma'am if you can keep it.

Sometimes I wonder for hiw much longer.

Flying Junior said...

Dammit skud,

You're going to compare my president who I voted for to Radical Redneck?


So fucking done with you.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

Flying Junior: Dammit skud … So fucking done with you
(December 24, 2014 at 1:24 AM).

My sentiments exactly! A point often made by me and other readers of this forum - but ignored in comment moderation.

Why post intellectually dishonest comments whose purpose is to deliberately taunt, mock, and annoy the sincere people who comment here? How offensive and insulting when an honest conversation is hijacked by a troll who then commandeers every discussion and arrogantly turns himself into the focus of attention!

How incredibly naïve of ‘liberal bloggers’ who dismisses these antics as merely “stooopid.” Hardly stupid when you consider the asymmetrical one-way communication of bad faith propaganda: Anonymous trolls with factitious IDs but no blogs of their own: It means they can post deceptive bullshit anywhere but offer no means of reciprocal exchange in kind.

In the so-called ‘culture wars’ that pervade Cyberspace, troll behavior is ‘psy-ops’ behavior. So who is more stupid? The trolls who spread bullshit under cover of anonymity, or naïve bloggers who allow themselves to be suckered ... while subjecting their readers to troll abuse!

Yup, I’m DONE too!

Robert D. said...

So Shaw, who's in charge here?


Merry Christmas to you. I'm here for you if you need to talk.