Is it virtue signaling? Yes it is, but sometimes it’s what’s
called for.
The day Charlie Kirk was shot was one of those days. Just like
the day President Trump was shot, the day president Reagan was shot and down
through the too long list of violence that helps define America.
The United States of America is a violent country.
As Charlie Kirk himself said defending the right of Americans to
own guns, "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths
every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”.
That may be true for “some” gun deaths. But the 2024 numbers in
the U.S. related to the gun violence, like that which killed Kirk, are
staggering.
• More
than 16000 gun deaths, excluding suicides.
• More
than 550 mass shootings, defined as an event where more than four people were
shot.
• Over
700 people killed in those mass shooting events.
• Over
2000 people wounded in those mass shooting events.
Perhaps we’ve passed the “some” rubicon, but that’s an argument
for another day. I only present the above list as evidence of some of the
violence prevalent in America.
Today, while our country is still coming to grips with yet
another episode of political violence, we need to consider our response. Our
political leaders need to consider their response. Because it is in how all of
us respond when faced with such tragedy that define us, our goals and our
future as a country.
And perhaps can help us set a path forward.
One of the “jobs” if you will, of political leadership is to help
bind us together after such tragedy, and remind us of our shared purpose in
unity. In 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing, a political act of violence to
be sure, President Clinton had this to say to a wounded and hurting community…
"To all my fellow Americans beyond this hall, I say, one thing we
owe those who have sacrificed is the duty to purge ourselves of the dark forces
which gave rise to this evil. They are forces that threaten our common peace,
our freedom, our way of life.
Let us teach our children that the God of comfort is also the God
of righteousness. Those who trouble their own house will inherit the wind.
Justice will prevail.
Let us let our own children know that we will stand against the
forces of fear. When there is talk of hatred, let us stand up and talk against
it. When there is talk of violence, let us stand up and talk against it. In the
face of death, let us honor life. As St. Paul admonished us, let us not be
overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
President Clinton understood his job as America’s mourner in
chief as well as President Reagan understood his job as America’s historian
when in France, he gave his famous “The boys of Pointe du Hoc” speech at the 40th anniversary of the allied landings
at Normandy. Sometimes in America the only person whose words matter, the only
person who can call us together, is our president.
In spite of all the chaos and
violence that is too often swirling all around us, we expect, in fact we need
our presidents and political leaders to rise above it. That’s exactly what
President Lincoln was doing in his 1861 inauguration speech, given after he
survived a first assassination attempt. That day, on the eve of the Civil War,
he called us to appeal to “the better angels of our nature”.
A New York Times story from 2024
notes that…
“In February 2021, Nathan P. Kalmoe and Lilliana Mason, both
political scientists, asked a sample of Americans whether it was justified for
members of their party to kill opposing political leaders to advance their
political goals. Twelve percent of Republicans and 11 percent of Democrats
replied that it was. “Generalizing to the population of
American partisans,” they write, “means roughly 20 million who
endorse assassinating U.S. leaders.”
What Kalmoe and Mason were in effect saying is that 20 million
people in the U.S. believe political violence is acceptable. This viewing
political violence as a legitimate expression of anger at “the system” or
people from across the political aisle is what led to events like the Oklahoma
City bombing. It is the same attitude and acceptance that led to the attempt on
President Trump’s life, the mass political shooting at Tops Friendly Market in
Buffalo and the assassination
of Charlie Kirk.
Today I wonder where Lincoln’s “better angels” are.
Where are our political leaders like President Reagan and Speaker
Tip O’Neill who, as bitter political rivals, clasped hands the day Reagan was
shot and prayed together, Democrat and Republican for the president’s life?
I wonder why today, the idea of simply saying “All political
violence is wrong and never justified” seems so out of reach of not just our
political leaders, but everyday Americans as well. What has led over 20 million
Americans, if the research from Kalmoe and Mason is accurate, to conclude
political violence is acceptable?
Charlie Kirk was a political leader, beloved by many. His death
is leaving behind a grieving widow and two fatherless children. But Minnesota Democrat Melissa Hortman along with
her husband were also gunned down by an assassin’s bullets, leaving behind two
now orphaned children.
Why is it that our elected political leadership cannot, check
that, will not, recognize that America has a political violence problem that
crosses party lines, as expressed in these two shootings and their aftermath?
Where are the voices from both political parties, indeed from our
current president, condemning not just this particular violent act, but all
political violence in America, no matter the party? Where are the political
leaders of our country willing to step into the shoes of men like Lincoln,
Reagan and Clinton, call us together and signal the great virtues of America?
Why are some of our leading political leaders so silent on the
American scourge of political violence? What is keeping them and even our
president from simply saying to the 20 million Americans who believe otherwise…
“All political violence is wrong and has no place in America society!”?
Is it fear of reprisal? Political weakness? Or is it because they
agree with them?
16 comments:
Maybe they just don't like insincere performative virtue signaling.
2 things.
Professor Elana Gomel writes in her essay on "Provocation": It is only in modernity that genocide comes into its own as a motiveless, purposeless act of extermination. The Holocaust is an event of our present and even more of our future. The murder of 6 million Jews wasn't caused by Untamed Evil from our past, but by a new form of Evil emerging from modernity itself. From forces of modernity we are barely starting to comprehend. And as soon as we do comprehend them, we fast find ways to uncomprehend them. Incomprehensive Evil is quite simply the understanding that the entire ideological apparatus of Nazism, to quote Professor Gomel, was "nothing but a window dressing for the desire to kill."
We have many ways of avoiding this realization. We talk about Nazism as nationalism, or class struggle. We pretend the Nazis were genuinely deluded by an actual belief in their nonsense mystifications of Jews as "an alien species". But the reality, that we are desperate to incomprehend is just this: Humans like to humiliate, torture and kill other humans. Nazism was nothing but a theatrical justification for those dark desires.
But that pleasure wasn't only the act of murder, it was murder for a higher cause. Murder to serve a greater good. Murder with meaning. The true pleasure is the act of violence that is justified by a "Transcendent Purpose". Killing that makes us not killers, but Saviors. To truly do bad things, people must believe they are doing good things. So the Ethics of Evil requires the invention of a "Transcendent Purpose," and that requires The Ethics of Kitsch.
Trump is a "fascist". Charlie Kirk "hated Trans". Kitsch ethics. To deliberately do bad things in the "name of the good". Luigi. Tyler.
America is Germany in the 1930s again. This time we're doing "bad things" in the "name of the good". We just overthrew Nepal's government.... "Muh Democracy!" Ukraine's in 2014. Colour Revolutions 'R Us!
When reasonable honest people remain silent out of fear of retaliation from radicalized conservative authoritarian nutjobs like Kirk (or radicalized progressives) democracy, rule of law, and civilized debate and decency takes a hike.
And that folks; is precisely where America stands today. At the brink of a great dissolution of truth and decency.
Thanks tRump and MAGA. NOT.
Good observations, Dave. Also sad.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS condoned political violence by FAILING to convict him in the Senate, voting for him in 2024, by denying his criminality, by endorsing Trump's praise and pardons for his J6 thugs, and by granting him anti-Constitutional "presidential immunity".
Whistling Dixie the USA ushered in facist authoritarianism while giving Christian Nationalism and Christian Zionism the platform and presence they've always desired. Soon we'll be looking at a Christian Theocracy in America. Not unlike an Islamic Caliphate. And every bit as undemocratic and dangerous.
-FJ stated... "America is Germany in the 1930s again."
I would agree, with one caveat. I would strip away the 1930s to avoid confusion.
In the 1990s, evangelist Tony Campolo, a personal hero of mine, posited that there was a fine line between the pre WWII Germans and the Brits. For him, it was manners. The Brits just couldn't treat the Jews as the germans did because their manners would not permit it.
What many missed is that in this understanding, what Campolo was saying is that both peoples, the Brits and the Germans were bad peoples, but the Brits had made a decision to be better people, through their manners.
Right now in the US, we have a large number of people who are in fact acting not like the Brits, with good manners, but like the bad mannered Germans of what we thought was a bygone era.
Would you mind telling us just how Violent we MAGA’S are?
Do we set police cars on fire?
Do we LOOT STORES?
Do we shoot and MURDER PEOPLE we don’t agree with?
Do we stab to death young girls on a train?
Do we destroy statues?
Do we prevent Liberals from entering restaurants?
Do we shoot Liberals when they are playing baseball?
Tell us!
To Anonymous, You obviously are immune to facts. But I'll post them anyway. Here are the FACTS about Right Wing Violence posted on another thread here at P.E. by Dave Miller:
"Here is a quote from that now removed report, still available from the Wayback machine... and linked below.
"Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives."
The information in this study tracks along the same information the conservative think tank CATO Institute has published which says...
"3,599 people 'have been murdered in politically motivated terrorist attacks in the United States from January 1, 1975, through September 10, 2025,' with 83% of those deaths occurring during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But, the report continued, 'right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total' during that time period, accounting for killings by “those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.”
“Left-wing terrorists murdered 65 people, or about 2 percent of the total,” the Cato report continued. “Left-wing terrorists include those motivated by black nationalism, anti-police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white ideologies, and other left-wing ideologies.”
Here's the Gov't report that has since been removed.
From all the evidence we can see, collected by conservatives and the US Government, the greatest threat to the US as it regards political violence comes from the conservative/right/MAGA side of the aisle, also the least likely group to condemn all political violence.
Facts can be so stubborn. But if you want anecdotal evidence that the right cannot or will not condemn political violence, jjst take a cruise on the HMS Mothership."
-FJ wrote: "We have many ways of avoiding this realization. We talk about Nazism as nationalism, or class struggle. We pretend the Nazis were genuinely deluded by an actual belief in their nonsense mystifications of Jews as "an alien species". But the reality, that we are desperate to incomprehend is just this: Humans like to humiliate, torture and kill other humans. Nazism was nothing but a theatrical justification for those dark desires."
You're avoiding the fact that for generations, Christians blamed the death of Jesus on Jews! Take Sicily for example, where my parents were born:
"Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand ordered the expulsion of the Jews from Sicily on March 31, 1492, following the same Alhambra Decree that expelled Jews from Spain, though the deadline for leaving Sicily was extended to January 12, 1493. The expulsion was a culmination of efforts to maintain Catholic orthodoxy and purify the kingdoms, applying to all Jews under Ferdinand and Isabella's rule. "
Martin Luther, who broke away from Roman Catholicism and established Protestantism, was a virulent antisemite who, if I remember my history correctly, called Jews "vermin." While he was initially more tolerant in hopes of converting Jews to his new Protestantism, his later writings are maliciously hateful and are considered a dark chapter in Christian history.
There's the history of pogroms of Jews in Russia. Anywhere you found Christianity, there was hatred of Jews, which made it very easy for the Nazis to stir up the malevolent hatred against that entire group of people so that exterminating them would be easy.
Antisemitism was the sickness and rot that drove The Final Solution, and I disagree with this statement, "The murder of 6 million Jews wasn't caused by Untamed Evil from our past..."
The Untamed Evil was one religious group demonizing another religious group. And that went on for centuries and centuries.
And that kind of human destruction and hatred can be understood by something Nobel Prize winner in Theoretical Physics, Steven Weinberg, once said:
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."
This applies, IMO, to ALL religionists, including, but not limited to the Good Christian Germans of the 1930s and '40s, the fundamentalist Islamists who flew planes into buildings, and the Catholic French monarchy, specifically King Charles IX, who ordered the killing of Huguenot (French Protestant) leaders.
You need to expand your notion of "religion" to include neoliberalism and the Civic Religion upon which the US was founded... "Classical Liberalism". It has nothing to do with "theology" except as a more descript adjunct that either narrows or expands one's behaviour and grants it "character".
The point is that Luigi and Tyler BOTH thought they were doing society a service. They knew with the premeditation of engraved bullets exactly the evil they were doing, just as the commanders of the Nazi Death camps did.
This is the ethics of kitsch. This has nothing to do with "religion" in your more narrow theological. The Nazi's weren't "religious". Luigi and Tyler weren't "religious". They all thought that they were doing "good" and that their targets were "evil". They were smothering baby Hitlers in their cradles. Like Trump's 2 would-be assassins.
Ever read the Kafka short story, "In the Penal Colony? The assassin's bullet is like the malfunctioning execution machine, it fails to deliver a "religious epiphany" to its' intended victims. And so, it ultimately defeats the Executioner's argument.
I think that the philosopher Michelle Foucault was right about "Punishment" and the growing "Invisibility" or its' Administration by "Power". The Sovereign used to exult in the public humiliation of his victims. I think that both Luigi and Tyler have grown nostalgic for those times.
In short Anon, YES, right wingers, as evidenced in the TOPS grocery store shooting in Buffalo do shoot and MURDER PEOPLE you don't agree with. As evidenced by the murder of a MN Congresswoman and her husband, in their house. As evidenced by the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi. As evidenced by the attack on the Capitol on J6.
Anyone disputing these facts is an idiot.
"Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States" So of course you think they are right wingers.
if a convict has a swastika on his chest he is a right winger.
Facts can be stubborn especially when not proven to be true.
The left allows in the country millions of illegals and then gives them a sanctuary city to reside in, that is fact. The left cheers the assassination of someone they disagree with and riots when one of their own is killed who beats his wife and is high on drugs.
The issue we should discuss is how to get along as people because we know our elected elite won't.
Skud's disingenuous claptrap would paint Hitler as just another bleeding heart leftist. Who does that? MAGA. The Klan. And Skud.
He can barely take his racist head out of Trump's fascist ass long enough to stick it up Charlie Kirk's racist ass.
Nazis are RADICAL RIGHT by DEFINITION!!!
From the US Holocaust Memorial Museum:
"In Germany in 1929–1930, the National Socialist German Workers' Party (or Nazi Party for short) was a small party on the radical right of the German political spectrum."
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-rise-to-power
Skud has earned his place among them.
I refuse to get along with racists and other neo-Nazis. They are vile human beings and traitors who supported TRUMP's LIES, political violence, and SUPPRESSION of free speech.
If only there was a place one could go to to find the definition of FASCISM:
Fascism: "An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
skud: "The left cheers the assassination of someone they disagree with..."
That is a lie. The leading spokespeople on the Left ALL CATEGORICALLY condemned Kirk's murder. Did some people who identify as the Left celebrate? Yes. But not "The Left." Stop spreading incendiary falsehoods. You could get someone killed with them!
skud: "...and riots when one of their own is killed who beats his wife and is high on drugs."
You've misrepresenting this for years. What the people rioted about is that we saw an officer of the "law" kneel on a man's neck for 9 minutes until he was dead.
Sometimes, I doubt you're an American. Really. In America, no matter what your background, economic, political, religious, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE MURDERED BY A POLICE OFFICER in an extra-judicial killing. That's what the so-called "rioting" was about. It appears that because George Floyd had a dubious background, you believe he deserved to be murdered by an officer of the law, without due process! If you don't understand the inherent evil in that, then, I'm afraid, you understand nothing.
Lying liars lie. MAGA lying liars lie with unparalleled gusto.
"YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE MURDERED BY A POLICE OFFICER"
But you do deserve to be killed because your opinion offends them. One officer of the law killing someone does not justify burning businesses and threatening people.
skud: "But you do deserve to be killed because your opinion offends them."
What are you talking about? That makes no sense? Who's the "them?" Who "deserve(s) to be killed...?"
Just because he lost an election and was a sore loser, didn't mean Trump had the right to incite a mob to attack and desecrate the US Capitol and tell his thugs to "HANG MIKE PENCE."
Funny, you never mention that mayhem, do you. That's why it is difficult to take you seriously.
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