General John Kelly: "He said that, in his opinion, Mr. Trump met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law."
The rancher...is a dumbshit. He has been in business long enough...he knows the rules and regs...and abided by them in the past when it suited him.
This should be a classic, 'non-issue'. You cannot make up rules as you go, as you please, as it suits you. His actions are indefensible. He is courting felony issues of a magnitude he does not know of. The guy is toast...if I pull a gun on a cop that pulls me over for speading.....because I feel I HAVE A RIGHT TO DRIVE AS FAST AS I CAN...whoa. He is not considering what harm he can do to his family, his friends by his inexcusable actions.
well, I have to go. gonna buy a gun, go rob a bank...see, I think I have a right to do so.
It's fun to watch the cons twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify an outlaw rancher scam the gummint. And then they're the first to scream bloody hell if a mother gets food stamps for her family? Taker! they scream. What low-life shites!
Cowpoke Bundy really, absolutely, positively, and for certain better tighten up cause he is gonna get royally screwed by big Bro.for his $1.38 per head per year grazing fee evasion. Seems hardly the fight to pick.
Titan You're Famous, they're blind to their double standards. They howl at the moon whenever a poor family gets assistance, or an out-of-work citizen gets unemployment aid, or a child gets a free lunch. But get a millionaire privileged rancher to scam the gummint?
okjimm, research by a Nevada news team has found that Bundy's claim that the property's been in his family "for generations" is, how should we put it, not exactly within the realm of truth.
"...U.S. District Judge Johnnie Rawlinson in a case where it was determined Bundy wouldn’t be allowed to use federal land for his cattle because of failure to pay grazing fees to the Bureau of Land Management. Rawlinson wrote that it wasn’t until roughly 1954 that “Bundy or his father or both have grazed livestock on public lands owned by the United States and administered by the BLM.”
Clark County Recorder documents show the 160-acre Bunkerville ranch Bundy calls home was purchased by his parents, David and Bodel Bundy, from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt on Jan. 5, 1948. The purchase included the transfer to the Bundys of certain water rights, including water from the nearby Virgin River. Cliven Bundy was born in 1946."
nachtwulf of Daily Kos, and who lives in Nevada wrote:
"One of our local news stations, the local CBS affiliate, is known for it's investigative journalism and has won many awards for it. So they decided to check out everyone's favorite traitor and his claims, and what they found was interesting... It seems that all of his claims are apparently lies. He claims that his family has been using the land since the 1870s, from which his erroneous claims derive. His family actually bought the ranch in 1948, provably, and didn't get cattle until the 1950s. And they bought the water rights to their own property but no grazing rights to the Federal land. Imagine that. And kudos to channel 8, KLAS tv, for doing some good journalism. So good to see these days. I wonder if this will finally make the derps squatting in my state fantasizing about violence finally slink homeward?"
Shaw...I had assumed as much. Without even KNOWing. The guy wants to make himself a poster child for the AGGRIEVED BY THE GOVERNMENT SEGMENT...uhuh...not happening. He is wrong wrong wrong... I do have a decent grasp of, and have studied history, rhetoric,public address and journalism. It was easily deduced that the guy was not suddenly a 'victim',,ge us using a current political climate for his own means and enrichment. Fuck 'em. It is totally apparent to anyone of any political persuasion...that this guy does not merit support. IF there is a sound, reasonable grievance, he has not availed himself to use any sort of due process.
Titan said."It's fun to watch the cons twist themselves..." and I am going to stop RIGHT THERE. Not in reply to his statement and not in any personal tone or rebuttal...I gotz this... there are a TON of decent, honest and well meaning Conservative people....personally conservative, politically,socially ...you goddam name it, ain't no deal...BUT THEY WANT A DECENT COUNTRY TOO. and many are willing to contribute...ideas,efforts,money,pprayes, thoughts to make this a better country. I feel, in the bottom of my dirty socks, that there are some truly evil,nasty,butt-picking, booger-eating, toe jam slime folks *Karl Rove* who LOVE to divide the citizens of this goddam beautiful America, best fucking place in the world...simply because they can...and can get rich doing it. So...for me...I am NEVER again gonna call any one a CON, or a Rethug, or any of that crap. NOPE. NO MORe. iF SOME ONE IS AN ASSHOLE, OR AN IDEA IS PUTRID...i'LL CALL THAT OUT...BUT NO MORE LUMPING FOLKS IN TO BARRELS. uhuh. no more. shit...I'll be back. gotza belly full of caffiene and I needs to walk some of it off a bit. sheesh.
There are so many examples that are buried in our history.
Wholesale expulsion of Hispanics and confiscation of property by Hoover in hopes of improving employment at the start of the depression.
Ry Cooder did a terrific soudtrack for a very good documentary on the land taking of an entire neighborhood to build Chavez Ravine.
But just ask Bundy to pay legitimate fees for use of the land and he goes mental forgetting that the current system is a reaction to his brand of undisciplined anarchism.
The right has become a bunch of spoiled children and are now positively giddy that SCOTUS has given affirmative action a mortal blow. The other shoe dropping after revoking the voting rights act.
They'll soon be back to their old position of privilege.
Meanwhile we have the report that the American middle class is sinking and the slide is accelerating ... but the right sees themselves as winning.
ok...I'm back..and Shaw, iffen this gets overly long and stuff..why gosh, youse just feel free to do whatever you want with it...but right now it is therapy and I am spitting it out cause maybe some folks that all come to these pages may think about it a bit. Abd here's the deal...maybe I should put this all somewhere else, some other pages or stuff...but if that Bundy dude can graze where he wants...I will graze here a moment and I think Shaw will not come after me with guns and space saucers and iffen it happens Shaw is more apt to hit me with water balloons or ping pong balls and other non-lethal paraphenalia, maybe some donuts be good...but anyways....
...last thursday I got trampled, stomped,spindled,mutilated,disprespected,pissed on in a way that youse just can't imagine. Maybe it is my fault, cause I been on a down,dirty spin and I couldn't stop it and the shit came and got me. But that ain't no never mind either...what it was is what it was...but then, without asking...the woodwork opened up...and out came...the goddamest nice folks I ever thought might breathe. A ton in the 'ether' world who know me like an adverb or a noun or a dangling participle or some such...But..and this is what I wanna say...three guys,mostly on the conserrvative swing of stuff...are covering my ass. Uncle Rosi,don't ask,why him and I were almost done talking..he is the most conservative, after being friends forty years..good friends..he was best man when I had that fiasco thing that resembled a marriage...anyways...Steve, Uncle Rosi, is all over me. Sent money.Contacted other old college guys...and will not not leave me be until he knows I am OK. The guy who I am staying with until I can figure out what to do after the fire, why he is anti-union, pretty moderate conservative, witha strong right leaning feeling and well, I would be sleeping under a bridge with trolls and if I don't shave soon I will resemble, and shit&stuff...I am almost ready to go to church with him. well, not that much. I have known him almost 50 years...and he is not duckig out on me either.
Tim...well I knew Tim when his hair was lower than his belt buckle and we both jockeyed cabs in college. Well, he done got me cash, clothes, and pretty much set it up with the eye surgeon to get the peepers fixed.
ok...so here's the real goddam deal...these guys are all conservative politcally...pretty much....but they all voted for Obama..cause like Tim said, 'ain't stupid'....but they all gotz heart. and maybe that makes them a bit Liberl or maybe it don't...but I am NEVER gonna use words that blanket smears a decent guy, conservative or not.
WE NEED CONSERVATIVES...to balance things out...to bring a different perspective. One of them recently said, "the ACA is a good idea, long overdue, but it needs fixing and tweaking" He's right. It is a work in progress...like me, like America, and like my dandruff.
ok...I gotz to go. so Shaw, do what you will with all this. It's just a first draft...gotta shuffle off and do stuff. Then get a different first draft and maybe a second draft, too.
ps. if you print this all off, it could be good for wrapping up dead fish. just sayin.
Okjimm, not only is it wonderful, but I'm going to put it up as a blog post.
You're on to something we all know. I think commenters like Titan should qualify who they mean when they say "cons." For example, extremist conservatives, and we know who they are--for example the conservatives in the House who are calling for the impeachment of President Obama and Atty. Gen. Holder --those are extremists, and they add nothing to our political discourse.
Neither do people who call liberals "libtards/libturds" and claim that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Anyway, okjimm, the reason so many people came out to help you is because you are a decent human being with a spirit that shines, and we all understand that. We have your back, and I'm glad you know that.
No wrapping dead fish in anything you write here. That's what I do with my old posts.
Conservative church going folks have always been the most generous and caring folks. We have 2 librul relatives who want free shit for everyone and are always there with their hand out never offering as much as a helping hand and never hearing from then until they wantor need something.
Anon...And there are tons of 'conservative church going folk' who spend an hour a week with 'god' and think they can be assholes the rest of the time, I offered the anecdote as an example of not prejudging. so...yes...three of my more conservative friends are being fantastic....I could write a tome on the FLOOD of Liberal's, Progressives,ecletics, agnostics,atheists who have no helped me in need. You wanna numbers? ...conservatives 3...Liberals 300. quit with the jerk off rational.
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The rancher...is a dumbshit. He has been in business long enough...he knows the rules and regs...and abided by them in the past when it suited him.
This should be a classic, 'non-issue'. You cannot make up rules as you go, as you please, as it suits you. His actions are indefensible. He is courting felony issues of a magnitude he does not know of.
The guy is toast...if I pull a gun on a cop that pulls me over for speading.....because I feel I HAVE A RIGHT TO DRIVE AS FAST AS I CAN...whoa. He is not considering what harm he can do to his family, his friends by his inexcusable actions.
well, I have to go. gonna buy a gun, go rob a bank...see, I think I have a right to do so.
It's fun to watch the cons twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify an outlaw rancher scam the gummint. And then they're the first to scream bloody hell if a mother gets food stamps for her family? Taker! they scream. What low-life shites!
Cowpoke Bundy really, absolutely, positively, and for certain better tighten up cause he is gonna get royally screwed by big Bro.for his $1.38 per head per year grazing fee evasion. Seems hardly the fight to pick.
Awwww.
T-u-A, you sound so--BITTER!
Is there something bothering you? Would you like to share?
We're all ears.
Titan You're Famous, they're blind to their double standards. They howl at the moon whenever a poor family gets assistance, or an out-of-work citizen gets unemployment aid, or a child gets a free lunch. But get a millionaire privileged rancher to scam the gummint?
That thar's Pay-TREE-OTIC!
Looks like there is come fun coming up for the Bundy clan. They will have a front row seat to The Bundy Fest.
okjimm, research by a Nevada news team has found that Bundy's claim that the property's been in his family "for generations" is, how should we put it, not exactly within the realm of truth.
"...U.S. District Judge Johnnie Rawlinson in a case where it was determined Bundy wouldn’t be allowed to use federal land for his cattle because of failure to pay grazing fees to the Bureau of Land Management. Rawlinson wrote that it wasn’t until roughly 1954 that “Bundy or his father or both have grazed livestock on public lands owned by the United States and administered by the BLM.”
Clark County Recorder documents show the 160-acre Bunkerville ranch Bundy calls home was purchased by his parents, David and Bodel Bundy, from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt on Jan. 5, 1948. The purchase included the transfer to the Bundys of certain water rights, including water from the nearby Virgin River. Cliven Bundy was born in 1946."
nachtwulf of Daily Kos, and who lives in Nevada wrote:
"One of our local news stations, the local CBS affiliate, is known for it's investigative journalism and has won many awards for it. So they decided to check out everyone's favorite traitor and his claims, and what they found was interesting... It seems that all of his claims are apparently lies. He claims that his family has been using the land since the 1870s, from which his erroneous claims derive. His family actually bought the ranch in 1948, provably, and didn't get cattle until the 1950s. And they bought the water rights to their own property but no grazing rights to the Federal land. Imagine that. And kudos to channel 8, KLAS tv, for doing some good journalism. So good to see these days. I wonder if this will finally make the derps squatting in my state fantasizing about violence finally slink homeward?"
Shaw...I had assumed as much. Without even KNOWing. The guy wants to make himself a poster child for the AGGRIEVED BY THE GOVERNMENT SEGMENT...uhuh...not happening. He is wrong wrong wrong... I do have a decent grasp of, and have studied history, rhetoric,public address and journalism. It was easily deduced that the guy was not suddenly a 'victim',,ge us using a current political climate for his own means and enrichment. Fuck 'em. It is totally apparent to anyone of any political persuasion...that this guy does not merit support. IF there is a sound, reasonable grievance, he has not availed himself to use any sort of due process.
Titan said."It's fun to watch the cons twist themselves..." and I am going to stop RIGHT THERE. Not in reply to his statement and not in any personal tone or rebuttal...I gotz this... there are a TON of decent, honest and well meaning Conservative people....personally conservative, politically,socially ...you goddam name it, ain't no deal...BUT THEY WANT A DECENT COUNTRY TOO. and many are willing to contribute...ideas,efforts,money,pprayes, thoughts to make this a better country. I feel, in the bottom of my dirty socks, that there are some truly evil,nasty,butt-picking, booger-eating, toe jam slime folks *Karl Rove* who LOVE to divide the citizens of this goddam beautiful America, best fucking place in the world...simply because they can...and can get rich doing it.
So...for me...I am NEVER again gonna call any one a CON, or a Rethug, or any of that crap. NOPE. NO MORe. iF SOME ONE IS AN ASSHOLE, OR AN IDEA IS PUTRID...i'LL CALL THAT OUT...BUT NO MORE LUMPING FOLKS IN TO BARRELS. uhuh. no more. shit...I'll be back. gotza belly full of caffiene and I needs to walk some of it off a bit. sheesh.
There are so many examples that are buried in our history.
Wholesale expulsion of Hispanics and confiscation of property by Hoover in hopes of improving employment at the start of the depression.
Ry Cooder did a terrific soudtrack for a very good documentary on the land taking of an entire neighborhood to build Chavez Ravine.
But just ask Bundy to pay legitimate fees for use of the land and he goes mental forgetting that the current system is a reaction to his brand of undisciplined anarchism.
The right has become a bunch of spoiled children and are now positively giddy that SCOTUS has given affirmative action a mortal blow. The other shoe dropping after revoking the voting rights act.
They'll soon be back to their old position of privilege.
Meanwhile we have the report that the American middle class is sinking and the slide is accelerating ... but the right sees themselves as winning.
This is a truly dangerous path.
ok...I'm back..and Shaw, iffen this gets overly long and stuff..why gosh, youse just feel free to do whatever you want with it...but right now it is therapy and I am spitting it out cause maybe some folks that all come to these pages may think about it a bit. Abd here's the deal...maybe I should put this all somewhere else, some other pages or stuff...but if that Bundy dude can graze where he wants...I will graze here a moment and I think Shaw will not come after me with guns and space saucers and iffen it happens Shaw is more apt to hit me with water balloons or ping pong balls and other non-lethal paraphenalia, maybe some donuts be good...but anyways....
...last thursday I got trampled, stomped,spindled,mutilated,disprespected,pissed on in a way that youse just can't imagine. Maybe it is my fault, cause I been on a down,dirty spin and I couldn't stop it and the shit came and got me. But that ain't no never mind either...what it was is what it was...but then, without asking...the woodwork opened up...and out came...the goddamest nice folks I ever thought might breathe. A ton in the 'ether' world who know me like an adverb or a noun or a dangling participle or some such...But..and this is what I wanna say...three guys,mostly on the conserrvative swing of stuff...are covering my ass. Uncle Rosi,don't ask,why him and I were almost done talking..he is the most conservative, after being friends forty years..good friends..he was best man when I had that fiasco thing that resembled a marriage...anyways...Steve, Uncle Rosi, is all over me. Sent money.Contacted other old college guys...and will not not leave me be until he knows I am OK. The guy who I am staying with until I can figure out what to do after the fire, why he is anti-union, pretty moderate conservative, witha strong right leaning feeling and well, I would be sleeping under a bridge with trolls and if I don't shave soon I will resemble, and shit&stuff...I am almost ready to go to church with him. well, not that much. I have known him almost 50 years...and he is not duckig out on me either.
Tim...well I knew Tim when his hair was lower than his belt buckle and we both jockeyed cabs in college. Well, he done got me cash, clothes, and pretty much set it up with the eye surgeon to get the peepers fixed.
ok...so here's the real goddam deal...these guys are all conservative politcally...pretty much....but they all voted for Obama..cause like Tim said, 'ain't stupid'....but they all gotz heart. and maybe that makes them a bit Liberl or maybe it don't...but I am NEVER gonna use words that blanket smears a decent guy, conservative or not.
WE NEED CONSERVATIVES...to balance things out...to bring a different perspective. One of them recently said, "the ACA is a good idea, long overdue, but it needs fixing and tweaking" He's right. It is a work in progress...like me, like America, and like my dandruff.
ok...I gotz to go. so Shaw, do what you will with all this. It's just a first draft...gotta shuffle off and do stuff. Then get a different first draft and maybe a second draft, too.
ps. if you print this all off, it could be good for wrapping up dead fish. just sayin.
Okjimm, not only is it wonderful, but I'm going to put it up as a blog post.
You're on to something we all know. I think commenters like Titan should qualify who they mean when they say "cons." For example, extremist conservatives, and we know who they are--for example the conservatives in the House who are calling for the impeachment of President Obama and Atty. Gen. Holder --those are extremists, and they add nothing to our political discourse.
Neither do people who call liberals "libtards/libturds" and claim that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Anyway, okjimm, the reason so many people came out to help you is because you are a decent human being with a spirit that shines, and we all understand that. We have your back, and I'm glad you know that.
No wrapping dead fish in anything you write here. That's what I do with my old posts.
Peace, my friend.
bless you, Shaw. and as and atheist, that says alot. Peace&stuff.
Oh my. Far from BITTER my dear.
What sticks in my craw? People who like Bundy choose the wrong fight.
Share what? Hey, if ya wanna do me chores sure, down with that fer sure.
Oops, gettin late. Have me some important business to handle. People in high places, you understand. Don't need no helicopters and snipers
T-u-A,
Well I'm glad to hear you're not bitter. Life is too short to spend it on bitterness.
I hope your important business went well.
Conservative church going folks have always been the most generous and caring folks. We have 2 librul relatives who want free shit for everyone and are always there with their hand out never offering as much as a helping hand and never hearing from then until they wantor need something.
Anon...And there are tons of 'conservative church going folk' who spend an hour a week with 'god' and think they can be assholes the rest of the time, I offered the anecdote as an example of not prejudging. so...yes...three of my more conservative friends are being fantastic....I could write a tome on the FLOOD of Liberal's, Progressives,ecletics, agnostics,atheists who have no helped me in need. You wanna numbers? ...conservatives 3...Liberals 300. quit with the jerk off rational.
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