"5. In June, Jerad and Amanda Miller shot two police officers and another person dead in Las Vegas. They had come from the standoff at the ranch of Cliven Bundy, where a bunch of white shitheels actually pointed guns at federal agents and everyone went home without a shot being fired or anyone being arrested, despite Bundy being guilty of essentially the same crime as Eric Garner, except Bundy owed the government more than a million bucks in grazing fees and not a few coins on single cigarettes. The Millers were anti-government nutzoids who thought cops were oppressors who were gonna git their guns or some such shit. They left a note on the scene saying they wanted to start a revolution. You know what didn't happen after the shooting? Police associations didn't say that Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman had blood on her hands. The cops didn't condemn the armed numbskulls at Bundy ranch, who were, you know, protesters. And the Vegas police unions most definitely did not say they were now a "wartime" department, as the New York City PBA supposedly did.
5a. Imagine the shitstorm that'd happen if the cops said that violent white people were the problem and they needed to be stopped. It would have actually made sense. The Millers were directly connected with the Bundy ranch uprising. The guy who shot Liu and Ramos was a solo dickhead with a Facebook page.
5b. But craven fucks like Giuliani and Joe Scarborough and others will use this as a chance to shut the marching blacks down."
The rest of The Rude Pundit's righteous rant is HERE.
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White privledge.
This is your right wing media.
"A Baltimore Fox affiliate apologized Monday night for a report it ran over the weekend that deceptively edited protestors to look like they were chanting "kill a cop."
Gawker originally caught WBFF chopping up footage of a protest chant to sound like incitement to murder police on Monday.
The chant went "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops, are in cell blocks," according to C-SPAN footage."
F**kers.
Here's my struggle with both sides of this issue.
When Gabby Giffords was shot, many on the left laid the responsibility for creating the conditions that led to that shooting on the doorsteps of the right.
Many of us said that the rhetoric the right used was a contributing factor, even though we could not point to specific statements supporting her being shot.
The right was inflamed that the left would call them to account on what they were saying.
Now, we move to New York. The right is saying the left has contributed to the atmosphere that led to the shooting of the cops there and a general distrust across America of police.
And the left asks where specifically they used those words?
President Obama did not advocate killing cops, and no conservative advocated killing Gabby Giffords, yet for some, they are guilty as charged, facts do not matter.
It's time both sides step back and take a breath.
If ‘Black Lives Matter’ killed NYPD officers, Tea Party killed Las Vegas police
Of course it is the guns fault because it can't be that the race baiting, anti police "leaders" responsible for inciting action against the police.
No one is responsible for anything unless of course they are a conservative then that are responsible for everything.
"It's time both sides step back and take a breath."
The issue is that SOME police are rogue cops who absolutely do shoot first and ask questions later, especially where young black men are concerned.
I have heard too many first person accounts of harassment just for being black from young and older black men to disregard their stories.
We don't hear of cops harassing young white men who enter movie theaters, schools, or shopping malls, do we? Young white males are the ones who by far perpetrate mass murders.
Yes, leftists became angry when Gabby Giffords life was forever altered by a crazy white young male, and it is not just my opinion is that our country's saturation in guns CONTRIBUTED to her death and the deaths from countless other mass murders.
Yes. Because we're human we want to blame someone or something when tragedies happen. But that solves nothing.
Until we understand why we are alone in wester and even eastern democracies in the number of deaths by firearms, we'll get nowhere.
Many of my fellow liberals do not agree with me on this and I accept that. But I cannot help but make a connection with the fact that we have the most firearms in circulation than any other country on the planet, and we have the most violence and death by firearms than any other contry on the planet.
We've already inured ourselves to mass shootings so that they hardly make news when they happen, and we hardly turn our heads when school kids are slaughtered.
I'll tell you this: These things did NOT happen when I was a kid. What's changed? The NRA truly was once an organization that promoted gun safety and actually did not believe guns should be in the hands of everyone in the country. More guns in circulation and more people who are either criminals or mentally ill have access to them.
It really is that simple.
"What's changed?"
There have always been extremists on both sides but today they have the internet to get their message across and feel empowered.
The NRA has always been about gun safety and ownership. That has not changed but what has changed. They are under attack and feel threatened so they take action to protect themselves.
Shaw... you'll get no argument from me on the gun issue... simple thought would say, less guns, less gun violence, by both the left, and the right.
If you missed Abdul Jabbar's thoughts on this, they were very good.
His point? That a call to address the bad cops, does not mean, or even hint at all cops being bad.
But that is how it is interpreted by people inclined to do so.
Maybe as others criticize bad teachers, and that is taken is a critique of all teachers, it is similar.
My worry is that unless someone is from the correct tribe, they are seen as useless by the other...
How do we move past that, to get to solutions?
There's got to be a way, or we're doomed...
The NRA once supported gun control
It may seem hard to believe, but for decades the organization helped write federal laws restricting gun use
“Historically, the leadership of the NRA was more open-minded about gun control than someone familiar with the modern NRA might imagine,” wrote Adam Winkler, a Second Amendment scholar at U.C.L.A. Law School, in his 2011 book, Gunfight: The Battle Over The Right To Bear Arms In America. “The Second Amendment was not nearly as central to the NRA’s identity for most of the organization’s history.”
Ronald Reagan believed in gun control:
"...no new federal gun control laws came until 1968. The assassinations of civil rights leader Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy were the tipping point, coming after several summers of race-related riots in American cities. The nation’s white political elite feared that violence was too prevalent and there were too many people—especially urban Black nationalists—with access to guns. In May 1967, two dozen Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill, prompting then-Gov. Ronald Reagan to comment, “There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”
What's changed? That's changed.
And here's the end of that article linked above:
After the coup, the NRA ramped up donations to congressional campaigns. “And in 1977, new articles on the Second Amendment appeared” in American Rifleman, Burbick noted, “rewriting American history to legitimize the armed citizen unregulated except by his own ability to buy a gun at whatever price he could afford.” That revisionist perspective was endorsed by a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee chaired by Utah Republican Orrin Hatch in 1982, when staffers wrote a report concluding it had discovered “long lost proof” of an individual’s constitutional right to bear arms.
The NRA’s fabricated but escalating view of the Second Amendment was ridiculed by former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger—a conservative appointed by President Richard Nixon—in a PBS Newshour interview in 1991, where he called it “one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word ‘fraud’—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”
Burger would not have imagined that the U.S. Supreme Court in 2008—13 years after he died—led by libertarian activist Justice Antonin Scalia—would enshrine that “fraud” into the highest echelon of American law by decreeing that the Second Amendment included the right to own a gun for self-protection in one’s home.
Skud notwithstanding, I wonder what we will hear from the right, who were so quick to assign the sinking economy to Pres Obama, now that we've seen the biggest two quarter gains in over 30 years?
I bet we will be hearing that things would be even better with a real American GOP President in office...
Or, there will just be crickets...
5% growth is phenomenal and that is before the Christmas buying season kicked in.
Should be fun to see what policies the GOP will blame for this disastrous economy...
Have a great Christmas Shaw...
As I've dealt with an unimaginable tragedy in one of the villages where I work, I've been stunned by the generosity of people, literally from around the world who have sent aid...
Blessings...
dave
Merry Christmas to you Dave. If you want, email me about what you mention in your comment. I hope the tragedy did not involve any loss of life.
Best of the season to you and your family.
Honest question:
How come I keep hearing how people can just go to all these places and get a gun without a background check, but I've never been able to?
I couldn't even get the guy at the flea market to sell me an old-ass .22. I didn't even try to barter him down. I just thought it looked cool.
Where are all these places where they're supposedly just giving guns away like hot dogs at a used car lot's grand opening?
11 Things Harder to Get Than Guns: Abortion, Drugs & More
In Iowa, it’s easier to sell a gun than it is to sell lemonade.
Technically, food vendors in some parts of the state need a business permit and food license to sell food, even from a residential location. Gun vendors don’t need state licenses to sell guns, and inspections by police are not allowed.
In Arkansas, it takes less time to buy a gun than to qualify for food stamps.
The approval process for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (food stamps) in Arkansas normally runs 30 days, though it can be expedited in seven. The background check to buy a gun from a licensed dealer can be completed in minutes, or at most three days.
In Texas, it takes less training to get a gun than a driver’s license if you’re under 25.
Adults between 18 and 24 are required to take a driver education course, as well as knowledge and driving tests, before they can be issued a license. To buy a gun in the state, potential owners need only show proof of identity and age.
In Arizona, you need a permit to cut hair, but not to carry a concealed weapon.
Arizona is one of three states (Vermont and Alaska are the others) that do not require residents to have a permit for a concealed weapon. To cut hair, however, one needs to get a barber’s license and fulfill 1,500 hours of instruction.
In Georgia, you can carry a gun into a state park—but not alcohol.
In Indiana, it costs more to get a marriage license than to get a gun license.
So, they're not just giving them away? Rather they're just easier to get than some other random and unrelated things.
Odd, that, considering guns aren't like a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution or anything.
I don't know if that's a case for more gun control or a case for far less bass ackward bureaucracy and less inept government.
Kinda like there being, say for gauge, 500 gun regulations on the books, and a gun enthusiast may stand against 3 more proposed measures, only to hear, "OHMEGERD! These gun nuts don't want any common sense gun control measures!" No. Just an extra 3 on the 500.
The blame only occurs if the crazy cop killer isn't one of us. If he is a white, conservative, gun right's advocate, then it's just one of those things.
But if his name sounds foreign, then our foreign president is behind his actions.
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