So many firsts for Trump:
First POTUS to be impeached twice;
First POTUS to incite an insurrection against his own government;
First POTUS to encourage his mobs to HANG his own VP!
First former POTUS to be criminally indicted!
Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign.
TRUMP SAYS HE'S BEEN "INDICATED!"
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I just heard! Yeah!
Yes! Yay! And there are more investigations and more indictments coming!
As a smile forms reading the article.
May the sky ultimately collapse on the former guys bloated ego filled cranium.
Today is the best day in awhile.
This will go nowhere.
Yes, Les. It feels like justice will be done.
To the man who led the "Lock her up" chants towards Hillary Clinton, I simply quote Yusef Salaam, one of the exonerated "Central Park Five", who despite that exoneration, Trump still believes is quilty. In one word, Salaam sums it all up...
"KARMA".
Shocking news they finally indicted him for something. Now we will wait how many years for it to come to trial and then watch as nothing happens. There is a saying innocent until proven guilty and I doubt he will be going to trial in the next few years. Will spend more millions and more time excoriating trump while the country suffers but at least the democrats have proof that they did something. I do hope we are reasonable enough to just let hunter go about his merry way and joey b to eat his chocolate chip ice cream in peace and not seek criminal charges against either one which would take years and be impossible to prove.
Why we can't have nice things, Part I (these people exist and vote):
"The most patriotic thing he could do right now, and one which would almost certainly undermine DJT’s campaign for a second term, is to address the nation to say that what Bragg is doing IS a dangerous precedent, that the indictment should remain sealed, and Trump’s arrest never happen."
S.K.: This benighted person doesn't understand that Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, DID NOT indict Donald Trump, the Grand Jury did! And we learned there are 34 COUNTS IN THE INDICTMENT! THIRTY-FOUR!!! The person quoted above does not believe in American justice, he/she is a cultist who believes Trump is above the law.
34 COUNTS!!!!
The Trump cultist continues:
"One old saw I ran across in literature is that “no other human emotion promises so much and rewards so little as does revenge.” Bragg’s (read as “Soros’”) insistence upon charging a past potus with a petty crime which is ubiquitous amongst powerful people AND for which the limitation period is long past will keep Trump in the news without his having to spend a sou while putting him firmly in the “martyr” category, thus ensuring a huge uptick in sympathy votes."
S.K. I will repeat: ALVIN BRAGG DID NOT INDICT TRUMP. A GRAND JURY HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE DID! AND THERE ARE 34 COUNTS -- CRIMINAL CHARGES -- IN THE INDICTMENT.
For those in the back, that means it's not just about "hush money."
More and more of Trump's cultist will try to divert attention from the truth and make other of his weak-minded cultists believe he's been railroaded by a rogue Manhattan DA. None of that is true.
Either you believe in the rule of law or you don't.
The above quoted and bolded commenter DOES NOT believe in the rule of law, he/she is a cultist. They believe in Trump, not the rule of law.
There can be no stakes higher for a prosecutor than to indict a President or a former President.
And remember this, if you go after Trump you had better get him. Because if you don't there’s going to be Hell to pay. This abuses of power is the most HORRIBLE thing that could ever happen in America, and Mr. Bragg is the cause of it all as well as the people who put him up to this.
China and Russia are watching and laughing at the dying of Capitalism.
You can Laugh, and be happy about this Shaw, but this is much worse for our Nation than it appears to be.
What people don't understand is trump is finally indicted, after six years, by a grand jury which is significant. The fact that he paid off a hooker is just one aspect of the charge and like botox nan says "no one is above the law" and hookers deserve to be paid for their services. The last part was not a direct quote from nan.
IMHO wrote:
"There can be no stakes higher for a prosecutor than to indict a President or a former President."
S.K.: In a democracy, a past president, Trump, who is now a private citizen, is NOT immune from facing justice if he broke the law. Period. Trump is NOT a king, he's a citizen of the US just like you and me, under the law.
IMHO "And remember this, if you go after Trump you had better get him. Because if you don't there’s going to be Hell to pay."
S.K.: Really? That sounds like a threat. That's the sort of thing mobsters would threaten.
IMHO "This abuses of power is the most HORRIBLE thing that could ever happen in America, and Mr. Bragg is the cause of it all as well as the people who put him up to this.
S.K. Bringing someone who may have broken several laws to justice is NOT the most "HORRIBLE thing that could ever happen in America," it is THE MOST AMERICAN thing that could happen. No one is above the law, even presidents and ex-presidents. Also, Alvin Bragg did not do this to Trump. The members of the grand jury who listened to the evidence brought the indictments -- 34 counts -- against Trump. Bragg is doing his job.
IMHO "China and Russia are watching and laughing at the dying of Capitalism."
S.K.: What are you talking about? If an ex-president committed a crime and a grand jury indicts him, that has NOTHING to do with "Capitalism" as you claim. It has to do with "just for all," as is noted in the pledge of allegiance. China and Russia -- at least its people-- would see that anyone who breaks the law, including big kahunas, would face the same consequences as the general public.
That's how democracy should work. You sound like you don't like "liberty and justice for all." Only for the little people. That's not how America is supposed to work. Trump is NOT A KING, OR A GOD, even if his delusional cultists believe so.
IMHO: "You can Laugh, and be happy about this Shaw, but this is much worse for our Nation than it appears to be."
S.K.: You give no legal reasons or evidence for that statement. However, I gave you reasons for Trump's indictment being EXACTLY how "justice for all" in a democracy SHOULD WORK. Your words seem to reflect the thinking of totalitarians who believe in strongmen leaders who can dispense with the niceties of democratic ideals in order to hang onto power.
Try reading about where totalitarian countries end up. And try having more faith in American democracy.
@ In My Honest Opinion...It's folks with attitudes like yours that are the greatest threat to liberty, not Russia or China.
As to capitalism, even Karl Marx recognized the tremendous societal improvements it acheived. He also likely foresaw the predatory nature capitalism has evolved into. It is now a significant driver of greed and ignorance in America.
And no, this is exactly what a representative democracy needs. To hold it's public officials accountable for their actions. Both criminal as well as the simply egregiously inappropriate actions. Being an elected leader does not, and should not, insulate a person from the righful consequences of thrr actions.
Karma can be a bitch.
skudrunner: What people don't understand is trump is finally indicted, after six years, by a grand jury which is significant.
S.K. I'm pretty sure lots of people understand the significance. In a democracy, no one is above the law.
skudrunner: "The fact that he paid off a hooker is just one aspect of the charge and like botox nan says "no one is above the law" and hookers deserve to be paid for their services. The last part was not a direct quote from nan."
S.K. The indictment included 34 counts, which neither you nor I know. But 34 is a large number, and I suspect we'll soon see why Bragg brought this to a grand jury. We may even see that it has more to do with other crimes than just paying an adult film actress to keep her mouth shut so Trump could hide his adulterous behavior from the Evangelicals whose votes he so desperately needed. Come to find out, those "family values" Christians didn't care that he cheated on wife #3 just as he did on wives #1 and #2. And they also didn't care that he may have broken the law in trying to cover that up.
Nice "family values" people, eh?
Dave M.
I'm also hearing this a lot:
"Guess who isn't being indicted today? Hillary Clinton!"
Yes. KARMA
So, you remain unclear as to why the Grand Jury indicted tRump? Hint, it has nothing to do with hookers deserve to be paid.
And former Speaker of the House is absolutely right. No one is above the law. Although tRumo and his deluded supporters are working overtime trying to change that.
IMHO fyi:
Amanda Carpenter
Can I ask one favor?
Every time a Republican says something about how the indictments will set the country on fire, rip it apart, or cause civil war can you ask one little follow up question?
WHO is going to cause the violence and how do you know this to be true?
Les, that snarky remark about "hookers deserve to be paid" by skud is just an indication of how upset people are that democracy in America is playing out as it should.
Even though skud has said many times that he is not a Trump supporter, his allegiance to the GOP is evident in his snark. It's tribal.
Also, Stormy isn't a hooker. She's an adult film actress. And Trump had sex with her while Melania was giving birth to his 5th child by his 3rd wife. Trump did pay her, but it was for her to keep her mouth shut about his infidelity so he could get the Evangelical vote.
Not that it mattered. He should have known how easily the Evangelicals would discard their "family values" pretense once they found a presidential candidate who hated the same people they do.
Try being an American for a change, You have been a TRADER long enough
It just hit me, Trump will be indicted next Tuesday, on my birthday! As the process towards justice being served moves forward i consider this a fine birthday present.
Les A truly apt birthday present!
Anonymous, LOL!
Ms Shaw, So tell us what the 34 indictments are since you seem to know. One thing that came out of this is botox nan's statement that he has a right to prove his innocence. I was always under the opinion that the law was you are innocent until proven guilty not you are guilty until proven innocent. Using pelosi's own words joey b and hunter are guilty until they prove themselves innocent, good luck with that.
New York's DA Alvin Bragg doesn't usually attempt to prosecute many felony cases, and when he does it is said he doesn't even try to win. He is making an exceptions this time for Trump.
Do you think he will recommend a '"cashless bail" like he does for his usual violent criminal clientele or do you think he will insist on an extremely high bail for Trump, maybe even argue he be held in Jail? Without Bail because he is a 'flight risk'?
I wouldn't put anything past that SOB Bragg!
Regarding skuds attempt to drag someone, anyone really, into Trump’s indictment party I’m reminded of a conversation I had with a Nationalist Christian on another site. They were livid that Hillary Clinton ‘escaped’ punishment for Benghazi. I challenged them to name one crime she’d committed and they replied that if she would confess they’d know what charges to bring.
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OK…. Old skud sounds an awful lot like that commentator from way back, just saying… What law did Hunter Biden break skud? How about Joe - critique his ice cream flavors all you want but it’s not a crime to like mint chip.
Grey One Talks Sass - still on my phone because my thinkpad has display issues
skud "Ms Shaw, So tell us what the 34 indictments are since you seem to know."
I never said I KNEW what the 34 counts are about. It is general knowledge on the 'net that there ARE 34 or so counts in the indictment. Period. Please don't post about words or ideas I never stated.
PS. Neither President Biden nor his son have been indicted on ANYTHING. So your snark about them being guilty until proven innocent is tosh.
It's interest to read the GOPers' rage about Trump's indictment. They want revenge on Pres. Biden and his son for something they have NOT BEEN indicted on, but excuse the myriad of crimes Trump is being investigated and indicted!
I never thought I'd see the day when the "law and order" GOP would rally around a liar, a cheat, and a fraud like Trump!
It begs the question, since the presidency of RWR has the gop ever been really about law and order? Or has it simply been about insulating elected gop from accountability for their crimes against the people and creating false naratives about the democratic party?
Let's dispense with the idiocy from some parts of the chattering classes...
1. Hunter Biden and his cronies, family, etc are guilty of taking money from Chinese people or companies, and by extension, the Chinese government.
Unless and until charges are brought, this is a big nothing burger. Now, even if it can be shown that money flowed to Hunter or his family, from the Chinese government, why should that concern anyone who supported the Trump Admin, especially after Trump son in law Jared took over 2 billion bucks from the Saudi Government?
Also, since when is it illegal for a private citizen [not working for the government] to work for a foreign government, as long as he, or she discloses that.
2. Why was Hillary [HRC] never indicted?
Good question... maybe she was never indicted because after countless investigations by GOP committees and congresses since 1992, yes, dating back to Whitewater, no one has ever found her guilty of a criminal offense. In fact, to date, no evidence has ever surfaced that a grand jury might use to indict her.
3. But HRC was/is/was born/will always be guilty in my mind! I just know it, why can't someone see that?
And that folks, is the 64K question. Why not? It either has to be because there is no evidence of her guilt, even after hours, days and years of testimony and scrutiny under oath, on front of committees, in interviews and in public appearances answering questions about all those instances, or... because the people the people doing the investigating are to inept to find that evidence.
Which begs the final question...
4. Why do people keep voting for people too stupid to find that info so obvious to them on Hillary, Hunter, Joe, Obama and the Dems? I mean since they are so sure they are as bad as Trump?
Grey, Agree about -H-, incompetent is not a crime. Nothing will happen with hunter or joey b so give it up.
Ms. Shaw and Rev, The democrats have played this very well. Get trump on a charge that will never amount to anything but he is charged which will fire up his base. If he continues to run for the nomination he just might win because it is a republican primary. The dems know they cannot beat a good republican candidate but they also know the election is determined by independent voters who can think on their own. They will not vote for trump because he is beyond a narcissistic nutjob and will vote for whoever incompetent the dems nominate even joey b. They do need to distance from cruilla because she is a big liability even for the inept democrats. The South is ravaged, kids are murdered, he border is out of control which she is in charge of and she is off to Africa, talk about clueless.
Happy "Indication Day, #1"!
More to come!
Skud, that’s not what I said but you do you boo.
Here’s my take: Ms Clinton, after being investigated for over thirty years has been found to be a fierce advocate for American Democracy, and the only crime was by male investigators who couldn’t accept a female was better, faster, and more clever than themselves. Honestly, if there was something to find shouldn’t someone have found it by now? Acting nonfraudulently in a “fraudulent manner” is not a crime no matter what one’s personal opinion may be (looking at you and those like you Skud)
Do I like her as in like as a friend? Nope, not at all but I don’t have to like her to respect the hell out her ability to govern. She would have been an amazing president.
That said, I have to give the former guy some kudos for bringing out the worst of We The People. Without his deplorable bait the bugs would still be hiding in the shadows. Now we know we have an issue that must be dealt with if our future is to have any chance of succeeding, meaning if we don’t take care of the issue humanity dies out because greedy one percenters just can’t beat their money addiction and they will use any weapon, including human deplorables to acquire their next fix.
Grey One still on their phone.
Grey, It seems you are fine with greedy politicians, most of who are in the 1% including -H- but you dislike those who earn their money. Politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 a plate campaign fund-raising event. The rich, who pay 86% of all income taxes are accused of not paying their "fair share" by 48% of the people who don't pay any income taxes at all.
The -H- was so well liked she lost to an orange hair blow hard and why is that. Because people saw who she was and that is a conniving, hateful person who was far more interested in herself than in anyone else. I'm sure it was a right wing conspiracy that brought her down.
I do agree the US does not do a good job of taking care of our people. Our elected elite are to busy investigating each other, banning light bulbs we can afford and watching AOC do her skit on Tik Toc to do their jobs. We would rather spend money on taking care of those who enter the country uninvited (don't want to insult the Rev) than the homeless vet on the street. Cities would rather let thieves go than hire police to round them up, after all only the small business is hurt by those actions and they don't contribute much to politicians. Maybe divert some of the funds we use to name walking trails to a good use.
Spoken with great wisdom Grey One taks sass.
skudrunner "The -H- was so well liked she lost to an orange hair blow hard and why is that. Because people saw who she was and that is a conniving, hateful person who was far more interested in herself than in anyone else. I'm sure it was a right wing conspiracy that brought her down."
Irony is dead. I imagine skudrunner wrote that without an ounce of selfawareness.
Also, on the subject of seeing a speck in other (read: ONLY DEMOCRATS) without looking at the log in their GQP pols' eyes. Skud singles out AOC, and ignores the publicity-seeking antics of Empty Greene, Lauren Bobo, and Matt Gaetz. But that's to be expected.
skudrunner: We would rather spend money on taking care of those who enter the country uninvited (don't want to insult the Rev).
This last dig at Dave Miller and the selfless good work he does is surprisingly nasty, even for skudrunner, who, I believe, is not a mean-hearted person. But never the less, he posted it without a shred of any evidence to imply that Dave M. works with illegals.
For skud's clarification: Dave Miller WORKS IN OAXACA, MEXICO, with Mexican citizens. Your statement implies that he somehow helps illegals. An unfounded and malignant dig.
Here's a question: Why are GOPer/Conservative such unhappy disparaging people?
Perhaps it is because they don't like themselves too much and so they project their shortcomings on others?
Attemps to attach to self interests and ever changing phenomenon feeds their unhappiness. As does their aversion to truth and the many delusions they cling to. Thus the need to disparage folks like Dave Miller who does great work helping others. In Buddhism he'd be considered a bodhisattva.
The ego works very hard to support and sustain itself. Ignorance is a tough thing to shake for many.
Les That's about as good an explanation as I've read.
Les,
"Ignorance is a tough thing to shake for many."
Ignorance enables comfort in entrenched beliefs and a sense of security from the unknown. It is also an impetus for learning.
Few are willing to admit or challenge their own ignorance. All of us are ignorant in most areas of knowledge.
Ignorance is the most useful tool for the mongers of hate, anger, lies, war, evil, corruption and greed. Every con artist depends on their victims being naïve and uninformed.
Religious and political indoctrination also cannot thrive without ignorance.
And of course, ignorance isn't ignorance to the ignorant.
Ms. Shaw, I never said Rev works with illegals but he does say those crossing the southern border are not illegals therefore I was trying not to offend him.
skud Those crossing the border are NOT always illegals. They are often migrants, and they can come into the country as refugees. And that's not illegal.
Skud... once again, you are lying and mischaracterizing my words.
I have said many times that people entering our country without proper documentation, do so illegally. I am also on record saying ppl should not be able to illegally cross our border and that people who choose to come here to live, for instance from Mexico where I serve, need to do so legally and within our solely broken system.
However, ppl coming here as refugees, and who once here request asylum, are not by law, here illegally, whether they come by air, sea or by crossing our southern border.
Get your facts straight. Any reasonable person reading my words over the years, which you have, would know that your above interpretation of anything I have said, is a lie.
Sadly, I am not surprised.
AnonymousMarch 31, 2023 at 5:03 PM
“Try being an American for a change, You have been a TRADER long enough!”
WELL ISN'T OT TRUE!
To Anonymous@8:11AM
I've never been a "TRADER," in the stock market or anywhere.
Anonymous@8:11AM wrote:
"WELL ISN'T OT TRUE!"
To Anon@8:11AM: I don't know if OT is true or not. I can't find that word in the dictionary!
But this may be true: You have fat fingers.
Thanks for stopping by.
Dave M.
Thanks for setting skudrunner straight.
I don't know if he willfully misunderstands or if he's just not a careful reader.
Hmm. Do I see a pattern with our conservative friends?
We've learned equal justice under law is "the most HORRIBLE thing that could ever happen in America".
I guess some things are more horrible than the leading cause of death in our children being from their precious firearms.
We've learned that disagreeing with Trump or charging him with crimes that he committed means we are somehow not Americans, but "traders".
Trump calls us "Communist radical Left monsters who "INDICATED" him.
"Indicated by MONSTERS!" How terrible IS that?
It's pretty clear why the Dear Leader of their cult said, "I love the poorly educated".
Idiocracy rises.
Indeed!
Dave Dubya said...
"We've learned equal justice under law is 'the most HORRIBLE thing that could ever happen in America'."
Such a great statement.
Here's how you know something is afoot...
Many in conservative America are decrying the as yet unknown charges against Trump as the result of a "Witch Hunt", nothing more than "process crimes", evidence of a "law too complicated to fully understand" and a justice system that can "indict, charge and convict even innocent ppl if it wants."
But here's the rub... all of that can be true. Truly, it can.
But to hear those charges from conservatives, the same conservatives who for years have sung the praises of the US justice system and "law & order" as it incarcerated millions of ppl of color for the same types of crimes, rings hollow to me. Why are they now waking up to a reality many of us have decried for years?
Is it possible, that like racism and prejudice, they are becoming woke to a reality many of our fellow Americans have faced for generations and now live in fear that the system they themselves supported and enabled against their "enemies" is now coming for them?
Bingo Dave. That is exactly part of it.
As your friend said, KARMA. It won't be denied and soner or later your karma will catch up to you. Lets actually be thankful if it catches up to Trump specifically and the entire con/liberrarian movements.
It's about time.
Rev, I will go with what Ms Shaw said and thanks for setting me straight. If they cross the border and say they seek asylum they are not illegals and should not be judged as one. Do they have to say that in English or is Spanish OK. How much fentanyl can they bring in and can an unaccompanied child say the are seeking asylum and be allowed in.
It is a good thing they are finally charging trump. They knew they wanted to for six years they just had to find the crime he committed. Laws can be pesky. Now joey b can be at ease because he can once again run from his basement and beat trump. I think he should choose fetterman as his running mate and watch either one of them try to complete a sentence.
skudrunner: "I think he [Biden] should choose fetterman as his running mate and watch either one of them try to complete a sentence.
Yeah, skud, it's hilarious to watch folks like Fetterman, who've suffered a stroke, try to regain what they lost from that devastating setback. I had a loved one go through such a frightening and heartbreaking ordeal, and I can't begin to tell you how much we enjoyed hearing people ridicule their struggles to regain normalcy not just in their language ability but also in the use of their limbs. It was a barrel of laughs!
One of my sisters died from a massive stroke. She couldn't talk at all or use her arms and legs before we lost her. If I recall correctly, we didn't do much yuking it up about her being unable to complete a sentence, maybe we just don't have your sense of humor for these things.
Anyway, I hope you never have to see a loved one go through this. But more important, I hope, if it ever happens (Gawd forbid!) You never have to read someone joking about it.
Peace.
skudrunner: "I think he [Biden] should choose fetterman as his running mate and watch either one of them try to complete a sentence.“
Wow, what an ugly comment—even from you Skud. Do better.
Possumlady
As if on cue Skud... you're nothing if not predictable. Few if any fentanyl comes in with those seeking asylum. Why would they risk it? And why damn suppliers with your BS snark and not Americans, the users, the market for the deadly opiate?
You say people seeking asylum should not be judged as illegals and then you lump them in your own box of the qualities you frequently ascribe to "illegals."
Your compassion to your fellow man, the least of these and your brother is duly noted.
Shaw... regarding Fetterman. As Skud and other conservatives might say, Chill, it's a joke.
And they see no problem in damning or making fun of entire swaths of America.
Sadly, once it's pointed out, seldom do we hear an apology and a "my bad". Because rather than accept that their words hurt others, they attack the messenger with something like "Hey, get a sense of humor" or "Don't be so sensitive."
Come now folks. Fetterman's condition is horrible as it is for millions of people but they don't get elected to run the country. This shows how stupid the repubs are to nominate OZ as their choice and how stupid dems are to elect fetterman. One thing you can never accuse republicans of is having any common sense and democrats of having a sense of humor.
Rev, Read more than just moveon.org. According to CBS News, that trashy liberal news source, Most fentanyl is being smuggled into the U.S. along the southern border, often in vehicles driven by American citizens, as cartels and other criminal groups in Mexico have turned the production of the synthetic opioid into a clandestine industry that has become the primary source of fentanyl in the U.S.
Skud's "sense of humor" targeting misfortunes or disability of others is typical of the authoritarian personality and bully.
"I think he should choose fetterman as his running mate and watch either one of them try to complete a sentence."
I bet he got big kick out of Trump mocking the reporter with the physical disability.
The word for it is not "humor". It is cruelty.
skudrunner: "Fetterman's condition is horrible as it is for millions of people but they don't get elected to run the country."
Senator Fetterman is not "running the country." He's only ONE of 100 US Senators.
skudrunner: "One thing you can never accuse republicans of is having any common sense and democrats of having a sense of humor."
Your idea of a "sense of humor" is making fun of stroke victims? That's not humor, that's cruelty, as Dave Dubya said above.
In the past comedians, jokesters and others made fun of mentally ill people, Black Americans (see blackface in minstrel shows), Native Americans, disabled people, etc. Fortunately most of us wised up and learned not to ridicule those folks.
There are plenty of other areas where one can find humor. How about this one: About 30+% of Americans think Trump should be POTUS again, and many of them are in NYC today to support the first ex-president to be arraigned in criminal court on criminal charges.
And just on cue, Skud comes back with Democrats lack a sense of humor.
I was talking with a sister of mine living in Minnesota. She is the middle child and has always said she was an independent. But lately she stated it would be a cold day in hell before she would ever vote for a Republican again. I told her that while there were crazies in the extreme wings of both parties at least the Democrats are trying to make the world a better and more equal place for EVERYONE, not just the few rich. I will also add that Democrats don't make fun of people with mental or physical disabilities or handicaps. That's hardly not having a sense of humor--that is a sense of decency. Why were/are Republicans SO against being politically correct? So they could still make their racist, bigoted comments. If anyone questioned them, they accuse them of not having a sense of humor.
Thanks for proving my point, Skud!
If congress does not run the country why even have them. The country could save a lot of money by eliminating them and have professionals run the country. That is just fantasy of course because it's something that has never been done.
It must be miserable to not be able to laugh at yourself but I know a number of people who can't do that. I know a lot of people who laugh at their issues because it helps them cope better.
You are stuck on the 30% of Americans support trump even though it is far from the truth. It will be interesting how many people show up today and my guess is there will be more protesting against trump than for him but we will see.
"It must be miserable to not be able to laugh at yourself but I know a number of people who can't do that. I know a lot of people who laugh at their issues because it helps them cope better."
Way to obfuscate, Skud. Do better
skudrunner: "If congress does not run the country why even have them."
You're joking right? Because I DO sense you are in that statement.
skud "I know a lot of people who laugh at their issues because it helps them cope better."
The point is that it is the people with "issues," mental or physical, who have the right to joke about how they cope with them! It's not funny or decent to ridicule those folks if those issues are not yours. It's mean.
Have you never heard of the schoolyard bully who makes fun of a kid who's "different?" Is that funny? Or is it mean? But we CAN understand the humor when the kid or adult who deals with "otherness" shows how he/she copes with it with humor.
It takes a bit of sensitivity to understand the difference, but there it is.
I gave you a link to the legitimate polling company who published that 30+% number of Trump supporters. It's your right to ignore it or not believe it. But that doesn't mean you're correct in denying it.
Well skud, hows about data supporting your claim it is far from the truth (30%). Because the 30% is generally accepted. Of course it could be higher or lower as it's based on polling data. But it is certainly closer to accurate than the nothingness of your delusions.
Leslie and Ms. Shaw, If you believe 30% of Americans support trump then you are forgetting that 31+% of the country are democrats, 25% are republicans and 41% are independents. So if 100% of republicans are trump supporters then 30% of the country are trump supporters and if you believe that so be it. It sounds good to paint all republicans as trump supporters but just not even close to accurate.
Empty skud. Simply empty. I wasa republican 15 years ago. Now i realize why i quit the party. I am clairvoyant. :)
Skud... did you fail English, Comprehension, Logic and Reason during your studies?
Cause there seems to be no other way to explain your responses.
First, I've never read anything from MoveOn.org. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
Second, I didn't deny that fentanyl is coming across the souther border. I just said it's not being trafficked by those seeking asylum, a nuance you must have missed.
You did point out that Americans, the biggest users and traffickers of the current illegal drug trade are US citizens. Great point and one supported by a lot of data.
So why not turn your gaze back on the US and ask what we can do to lessen demand. Because until we do, that problem ain't going away.
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