Paul Revere by Cyrus Dallin, North End, Boston

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President Bush Golfing After 9/11 Attack

Presidents and Vacations

"But...but...Barack Obama's golfing and the world's in a mess!"

The critics of vacationing presidents only notice these things when the guy from the other political party is the president, and HE's always doing it wrong!

BTW, presidents are NEVER on vacation because they bring the duties and responsibilities of the presidency with them wherever they go.

But the dear right wingers never miss an opportunity to bash this president because it's what keeps their fires lit.
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Thursday, September 3, 2009

STOP THE MADNESS!

I had scheduled to post the rest of the misinformation out there on H/R 3200 today, but a very bad case of raging paranoia has broken out in this country, again.  Apparently, some extremists in the Republican party see a nefarious, underhanded and seethingly immoral plan in President Obama wanting to speak to America's school children and encourage them to excel in what they do and stay in school.

It's difficult to believe this is happening in the most technologically advanced nation in the world, but it is. 

Idiocy, ignorance, fear, and paranoia rule the day.  Here's a peek into the very frightened and very sick soul of America:

TWO REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS ADDRESSED THIS NATION'S SCHOOL CHILDREN: GEORGE HW BUSH AND RONALD WILSON REAGAN.


Can they get much crazier than this? Yes they can! Every day brings another new high on the wacky scale, as rightwingers continue to sound the alarm about our new National Socialist president:



The plans announced by Obama also have been cited as raising the specter of the Civilian National Security Force, to which he's referred several times since his election campaign began, but never fully explained.

"He's recruiting his civilian army. His 'Hitler' youth brigade," wrote one participant in a forum at Free Republic.



"I am not going to compare President Obama to Hitler. We'll leave that to others and you can form your own opinions about them and their analogies. … However, we can learn a lot from the spread of propaganda in Europe that led to Hitler's power. A key ingredient in that spread of propaganda was through the youth," wrote a blogger at the AmericanElephant.com blog, where the subject of the day was a national "Keep-Your-Child-at-Home-Day."


"Totalitarian regimes around the world have sought to spread their propaganda and entrench their power by brainwashing the children. I guess it's easier to indoctrinate a six-year-old instead of fighting a 26-year-old or being challenged by a 46-year-old in the voting booth," the blogger wrote.

At issue was an announcement that Obama plans to deliver a message directly to students via the Internet into public school classrooms across the nation on Sept. 8.

According to announcement posted on ServiceWire.org, Obama will address students "about the importance of persisting and succeeding in school" at 1 p.m. Eastern at the WhiteHouse.gov website.

On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marvin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:




Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.

I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.


The extremists in the Republican Party are taking this nation down a depraved, dangerous, and potentially homicidal path with their unceasing demonization of the POTUS.  There.  I said it. 

Some unbalanced whackjob is going to act on all the bile, fear, and hatred being constantly put out over the web and cable news and being encouraged by brainless tools like Glenn Beck.

For months we've had a great time laughing and ridiculing the GOP as they've bellowed one ridiculous outrage after another at Obama. We've treated each successive charge as more absurd and laughable than the last, responding only with derisive sarcasm. We howled with laughter at teabaggers after the stimulus only to have them brandish guns and become players at townhalls. We rolled our eyes at Palin's Death Panels, only to have month long national discussion over whether Obama wants to kill grandma and now veterans. Now we're going to discuss whether it's "appropriate" for the President to speak to schoolchildren? Really?


Enough is enough. Images of Obama as Hitler are now commonplace and, seemingly, unremarkable. It has become customary and usual for senior GOP officials to make outrageous, disparaging ad hominem remarks about the President. The crazy is becoming mainstream. Obama is in a real, tangible way now being delegitimized as a person and a leader.

As a commenter in the post below this one said, when George HW Bush did the very same thing that President Obama will do on September 8, there was no outrage or claims of brainwashing and indoctrination.

Once a leader is delegitimized, it is easy for a deranged maniac to take him out.  I believe this is what the extremists, the crazies, the very sick and stupid want to see happen.



THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.  NOW.

43 comments:

dmarks said...

"Enough is enough. Images of Obama as Hitler are now commonplace and, seemingly, unremarkable. It has become customary and usual for senior GOP officials to make outrageous, disparaging ad hominem remarks about the President. The crazy is becoming mainstream. Obama is in a real, tangible way now being delegitimized as a person and a leader."

Change "Obama" to "Bush", and change "GOP" to "Democratic", and you have exactly what went on during the middle part of this decade. I guess the Hitler insults and routine lies about Bush were OK right?

JohnC said...

dmarks: nice try but there was no where near the outrage launched at Bush as there is for Obama...and I'll add that Bush wasn't ridiculed until some of his failed policies/actions were instituted.

And before you throw out "stimulus spending!" Obama is cleaning up the mess left behind him and evidence points to the stimulus working.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

These days, the RW think of everything in terms of socialism. Public education is socialism. Fire and police protection is socialism. Dammit, civilization is socialism.

Maybe gummint should just step aside and let all those gr8 American companies take over, cut wages, cut services, make more mega-millions for their mega-millionaires.

Think of all those missed profit opportunities: Fire, first aid, police. Think franchise.

You can corner the market on fire departments and hold your neighbors hostage.

Granny just had a heart attack? Watch as they deliver her to someone’s kitchen while a new refrigerator shows up at the emergency room, because there was a mix-up in the merger and acquisitions department.

Don’t forget: Rape kits can be turned into a profit center (just ask Sarah). When all else fails: Outsource!

The RW spouts certitudes and platitudes about dependence, decadence, and immorality. Whilst they forget about equality as in equal protection, equal treatment under law, equal opportunity … and yes … equal access to healthcare. But this is too much socialism for wingers.

Modern economies are mixed economies. Does the RW know why? Because a little socialism keeps angry men carrying guns and clubs from beating their brains out.

dmarks said...

John: I was there. There was indeed outrage launched against Bush just like now.

"Failed policies and actions" is a partisan value judgment. You could not want to go down to that lavel, couldn't you?

And now is a good time to mention that I am opposed to all of it, and don't think that the mindless Hitler stuff and insults against Bush in any way justifies mindless Hitler stuff and insults against Obama.

I just wish more people consistently opposed it across the board.

"And before you throw out "stimulus spending!"

No, I was not going to. Those points are highly debatable and are really a different subject from discussing out-of-line insults against the President.

Octo: There is an interesting issue and perhaps a valid angle on that. If we were to consider privatizing many of those services so contractors could compete against each other to best meet the strict requirements of the contact. Outsourcing is a good idea if it means finding someone who can do the job better. Even if it pi**es off those who aren't very good at the job and think they should have it just because they had it before.

Jennifer said...

I wanted so badly to say that you are wrong, that conservatives are just fighting for the country, but I just can't. I honestly don't understand it. Opposition is healthy. Standing up for your beliefs is our duty and privilege but it has gone so far beyond that, it's not even funny.

Regarding the whole Obama addressing the students issue, I don't have a problem with it. Like I said over at TAO's I wasn't comfortable with the suggestion for the kids to write "ways to help Obama." That went over the line to political in my eyes. That Reagan or Bush did it, does not make it right, and I would have had just as much of problem with it, if I knew of it back then. I think it's great that Obama is promoting education as long as it doesn't get "political." I remember George Bush reading to the kids, right before 9-11. How is this different?

John....I have to agree with Dmarks, there was an awful lot of Bush bashing that went on too. When you are looking at it from the opposite side it always seems like more.

RWM said...

dmarks,

It is not the same as when GWB was president.

Death threats against Pres. Obama have increased 400%! over what they were during the Bush admin.

Okay?

And I agree with JohnC. This sort of rage was not there 7 months into GWB's admin. It wasn't.

When it came, it was because of the incompetence of the Bush admin.

The righties are furious because a Democrat is in office, and they want to get him out any way they can.

TAO said...

One of the biggest differences is that Bush's first term was marked by the Florida Fiasco...

THAT was a very close election and realistically a disputable election in the eyes of a few.

Obama is now President and he won an unquestionable majority.

Yet we have the folks questioning his birth certificate, we have Glenn Beck going on and on about everything and everyone related to Obama...

You did not have that in the first year of the Bush Presidency.

You did not have a cable news channel, like Fox News that feeds about 3,000,000 people a night this hatred and anger, these conjections and half truths.

Dmarks can go on and on about the signs and the street protests...but the fact is they were not nightly, nor were they an international news channel....

He can go on and on about being fair and unbiased but the reality is without acknowledging the Pimpin' for the Reactionary Righ Channel, the Cheerleaders of hate, Fox News, he is not being honest in his opinion.

Anonymous said...

The fact that the rightwing is having a meltdown over his address to school children and his encouraging them to do well in school and stay in school enforces the fact that they are dishonest, disingenuous, and distructive to American core values.

They are out to take this man down and to deligitimize him in order to justify his assassination.

They call Mr. Obama a brownshirt?

dmarks said...

RWM: The death threats do indeed seem to be a lot more now.

"When it came, it was because of the incompetence of the Bush admin."

No. It came because of ignorance and hatred, whipped up by partisan opponents. Just as now.

"The righties are furious because a Democrat is in office, and they want to get him out any way they can."

Just as the lies and hate started as soon as Bush was elected, because "The lefties are furious because a Republican is in office, and they want to get him out any way they can."

Tao: "THAT was a very close election and realistically a disputable election in the eyes of a few."

Just as there are a few now who hold onto the idea that it is "realistically disputable" that Obama is a US citizen. Then, as now, these type of kooks around. Sore losers, both groups.

Anonymous: "They are out to take this man down and to deligitimize him in order to justify his assassination."

Now you are trying to connect A and B using pure imagination. It is an immense leap to claim that these lies and insults are part of a conspiracy to get the man killed.

It would be no less proposterous to say that in 2001 that the Bush haters were out to take this man down and to deligitimize him in order to justify his assassination.

libhom said...

everyone: dmarks is a troll. Please stop feeding him.

Arthurstone said...

libhom opined:

"everyone: dmarks is a troll. Please stop feeding him."



dmarks isn't a troll.

He is quite persistent though.

dmarks said...

Troll being someone who is not within a few degrees of Libhom's own exact political views.

Sorry, we know real trolls around here. Open your mind.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

"I wanted so badly to say that you are wrong, that conservatives are just fighting for the country ..."

So you think it is YOUR country when your candidate wins, and YOUR country when your candidate looses. Always YOUR country. What about MY country, or if I'm in a real generous mood which I am not right now, how about OUR country! Democratic participation means participating: Win, loose, or draw. Right now, I don't see much in the way of participation. All I see are a bunch foul-mouthed bad actors who haven't a clue what participatory democracy means.

E. Walsh said...

the protest against the presidential speech “shows at some level how desperate the right is to find an issue to challenge Obama on...They have gotten some traction on health care, but the mere fact that they have jumped on this reflects that this is a party without a voice. Are they going to run in the mid-terms on a ‘Presidents shouldn’t talk to kids’ platform?”

The address has left districts in the awkward spot of deciding how to handle the speech. Six districts contacted by POLITICO all said they would leave it to local school superintendents, principals and teachers whether to show the speech – but all said they would provide alternative activities for students whose parents didn’t want them to see the broadcast.

In many ways, it wasn’t simply the address that rankled conservatives, but a pair of proposed lesson plans, for young students and middle- to high-schoolers. The initial classroom activities made available on the Education Department’s website were characterized by Malkin as having an “activist bent.”

The White House altered the language of one suggested activity, which initially read, "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.”

That was changed to: “"Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short?term and long?term education goals.”

There was nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong with asking kids to help the president. The US president is the leader of America--its elected leader.

Only the hate-filled, destructive wing of the GOP would find that offensive. They have become the party of extremists and hateful people.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

EW: "Only the hate-filled, destructive wing of the GOP would find that offensive. They have become the party of extremists and hateful people."

Confirmed! As Olberman said tonight, when a woman in a wheelchair at a town hall meeting is shouted down, there is no more decency or humanity left, and the GOP exploits this crap for partisan gain.

Shaw Kenawe said...

I'm for people having open minds, but not so open that their brains fall out.

dmarks said...

I think that already happened with Libhom's comment.

Jennifer said...

"So you think it is YOUR country when your candidate wins, and YOUR country when your candidate looses. Always YOUR country. What about MY country, or if I'm in a real generous mood which I am not right now, how about OUR country!"

Um, I believe my post did not mention MY country, the exact words were THE country. I was in fact, putting down those that have been going off, because Obama wants to speak to the students. It is OUR country and I don't see why you would think that I somehow believe that it belongs to me and me alone? Participate, you say? In what exactly are you suggesting I participate in.

Meaningful discussion....CHECK!
Open minded posts.......CHECK!
Condemning the right.....CHECK!
Contacting my representatives....CHECK!
PTA activities......CHECK!
Taking my son to the doctor.....CHECK!

What more do you want from me? Apparently I'm not in a generous mood either!!

Lately, I have found more in common with the liberals and yet I still get criticized by you. We talk about the "reactionary right" being narrow minded and doing nothing more than venting, apparently it's not limited to the right. Now we have the "reactionary left."

I'm so done!!

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

Five weeks ago, when town hall hooligans first started disrupting civil gatherings, before the fist fights started, before gun-toting thugs started intimidating people, before women in wheelchairs got shouted down, I asked my friends and colleagues on the right to speak out and condemn this stuff. What was the response? "Its about time people started speaking out!" First, you applaud thuggery, now you finally see where this has taken us.

I guess being even slightly conservative means: A hammer bangs your thumb, but it takes five weeks for the neurons to send the signal to your brain and evince a simple ouch! Meanwhile the epithets come out: "Typical libtard," followed by back-biting, betrayal, and the usual sneer and jeer. Well, guess what? I'm done too!

Gordon said...

I'd comment here, but DMarks has already taken all the good lines.

I would suggest to the hostess one thing. Pretty much anyone who has disagreed with the president is presented here as a whacko (or a paid protester). Perhaps, just once, might you consider what it is about this president's policies that engender such a fervent response?

Jennifer said...

"First, you applaud thuggery, now you finally see where this has taken us."

I have never applauded thuggery but yes I still defend those who go to town meetings to speak their mind if they act with maturity and respect. Do you really think that everyone that goes to a town meeting is evil and paid by insurance companies? Just as there are idiots that are disruptive, there are also genuinely concerned people. Because I point out the wrong that I see at the town hall meetings, doesn't mean that I don't also see the positive that also comes from it.

"Where has it taken us?"

We are not at a pretty place right now, but that is because of some on the LEFT and the RIGHT that cannot seem to think rationally anymore. They vent and are so filled with anger that they are no help to anyone. BOTH sides are equally wrong!

"Typical libtard," followed by back-biting, betrayal, and the usual sneer and jeer. "

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

I have not been commenting on any comments of yours because I knew this would happen. I've been discussing and debating with other people, because I really have no interest in petty arguments , I have too many more important things on my mind right now!! My family comes first, politics a very distant second, if that!

Michael said...

"What is it about the President's policies that engender such a fervent response"?

I would suggest it is deep misunderstandings of this President and his policies, fed by a right wing noise machine that shows a reckless disregard for the truth and a mainstream media that doesn't have the energy or the willingness to fact check these claims, that engenders such a fervent response.

DMarks is not a troll-he is an intelligent, persistent critic.

That being said, the opposition to Obama is dramatically different to the opposition to Bush.

The first factor is the violence. Each side has its crew of mouth breathing crazies who will suggest, half jokingly, that the President should be killed. But in 2009, people are bringing guns to Presidential speeches. People are getting into fistfights at political "meetings".

The second factor is the ubiquity. You can see references to Hitler all over the place now-from the Tea Party people right up to the present, being cheered on by Messrs. Beck and Limbaugh.

Part of the difference is the media environment in 2009-we are in a different world even from the world of 2001. Things may seem more "widespread" just because we see more of it now than we used to. Part of it is the admittedly hairier times we are now in-I don't think anyone would deny the United States is in worse shape on September 3, 2009 than it was on September 3, 2001.

But part of it, in my mind, is a difference of degree. There is a vehemence to the anti Obama talk that the anti Bush talk never reached. You will meet few people who like President Bush less than I do-I firmly believe he could and should be tried for crimes against humanity, convicted, imprisoned, and perhaps executed. But I never condoned or even joked about his assassination, not even once. Impeachment, sure. But not assassination.

Gordon said...

Michael,

The Obama = Hitler rhetoric and poster have been coming from the LaRouchies, not conservatives. And I'd challenge you to find any clip of Limbaugh or Beck cheering such comparisons.

On the other hand, I invite you to check here. You'll find plenty of Bush + Hitler comparisons.

And it's worth pointing out that there was no violence--none--until the SEIU started showing up. Every incident has involved union members trying to intimidate ordinary citizens.

And yes, citizens have brought guns to speeches. That's legal, you know. We're allowed to bear arms. We have not allowed the state to disarm us, unlike most of the western world.

The difference is that your ox is being gored. Dissent was patriotic when you agreed with it; now it's angry unreasoned mobs. The town halls really haven't been like that, for the most part, but hey, don't let facts ruin your narrative.

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dmarks said...

Michael said: "That being said, the opposition to Obama is dramatically different to the opposition to Bush.

The first factor is the violence"

Well, true. Look at the paid SEIU thugs (on the side of Obama's plan) beating people up. Or the hungry Obama supporter who recently decided to bite off a piece of an anti-Obama protester.

"[Bush] Impeachment, sure. But not assassination."

There are commenters here who think that such calls against Obama are part of a plot to delegitimize him so he can be assassinated. I don't agree with that logic. But you can easily see here those who claim that insulting Obama is the same as trying to get him assassinated.

Gordon: Those union guys have plenty of experience instigating violance. But usually their targets in the past have been working people. You made some great points. From an objective viewpoint, the anti-Bush hatred is little different than the anti-Obama hatred.

Someone pointed out that there have been more anti-Obama death threats. True. But there were enough disturbing ones against Bush, including a "respected" leftwing journalist in a newspaper who called for Bush'a sssassination, and someone who made a movie supporting it.

JohnC said...

Gordon wrote: "Perhaps, just once, might you consider what it is about this president's policies that engender such a fervent response?"

I would agree with this statement if there were more constructive criticism of Obama's policies (which there is some) instead of these birthers, tea-baggers, don't-poison-by-child's-brain-wackos, etc.

It's easier for the right wing talking heads (i.e. Rush/Beck) to get support on the side issues, which are, unfortunately, easier to comprehend than complex issues such as health care reform.

Shaw Kenawe said...
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Shaw Kenawe said...

Change "Obama" to "Bush", and change "GOP" to "Democratic", and you have exactly what went on during the middle part of this decade. I guess the Hitler insults and routine lies about Bush were OK right?

Wrong.

I don't recall a media personality with an audience of 20 million daily broadcasting his or her hopes that George Bush would fail in his presidency, or anyone for that matter, hoping for failure in an administration less than 6 months old.

As for Gordon's equivalency model, it doesn't work. What is happening now is not equal to what happened in 2001 in Bush's first 7 months in office, and his and dmarks repeated reminder that "the left did it too" serves only to make the right look like little more than vengeful schoolyard bullies with a score to settle.

I still maintain that a good deal of this outrage is over the fact that a Liberal is in office, and that many Conservatives have labeled all things Liberal as evil and unAmerican. Too many weak minds listen to entertainers like Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity who do this country a disservice by keeping them stirred up with fear and hatred. But apparently, it's really, really good for business, and that's what counts for them.

Nothing like the Conservative cable news station FOX or Conservative radio shock jocks existed for Liberals in the first years of the Bush administration, broadcasting day after day mostly misinformation, exaggerations and plain outright lies.

And to ignore the powerful influence of these entities is to cancel your attempts at equivalency.

"They did it too!" Didn't work for me when I was a child, and it doesn't work now. It only further enforces the perception that Conservatives are followers, not leaders.

dmarks said...

Shaw said: "Wrong."

I described the situation in the middle part of the decade (2004, 2005 etc). You "disproved" me by saying that this was not going on in the first 6 months of Bush's administration (2001).

Well, your case does look better if you decide to intentionally exclude the era of the worst of the "day after day mostly misinformation, exaggerations and plain outright lies" against Bush.

"I don't recall a media personality with an audience of 20 million daily broadcasting his or her hopes that George Bush would fail in his presidency"

The combined circulation of the decidedly anti-Bush New York Times and LA Times comes close to 20 million. And that is just two newspapers. Then you have the situation of a major moviemaker and studio releasing and promoting a movie of pure Bush-bashing. This is something we just haven't had for Obama. And while the Right had Rush, during this era the Left had Dan Rather, who also had a huge audience. His career culminated when he tried to pass of an elaborate faked tale of Bush going AWOL.

The more you look at it, the more you will find that the situations are quite similar. The Left has no "Rush" of its own on AM radio, but they have similar figures on their side with huge audiences, even if these audiences are specifically non-radio.

Dave Miller said...

Dmarks, I agree with you on part of your response. The left was certainly apoplectic about Bush.

From the first day they questioned his election and right to be president.

His intelligence was questioned, his truthfulness was questioned and he was routinely made fun of for his name and looks too. Anyone here remember "shrub" or Satan?

People accused him of wanting to see American kids die in Iraq, and of murdering our soldiers.

Doesn't anyone think those were stretches.

He too was compared to Hitler by his more vocal critics and if you ever listened to AIR 1 Radio, the ridicule was off the charts.

But I think the difference is in this. I do not recall people saying this early, or ever in the Bush Admin, that he hated America, and was working to destroy it.

I do not recall anyone saying that he was trying to indoctrinate our children into a Gestapo like army.

Also, as for your media numbers, you should check your facts before saying the NY Times is close to 20 million.

More like 1 million. You could add all the evening news shows, the NY Times, and the LA Times together and you would still only just about reach the claimed daily listener numbers of Limbaugh.

Gordon said...

Just because leftist commentators and entertainers can't pull an audience doesn't excuse them from their statements or their suggestions that Bush be assassinated. Limbaugh has never suggested any thing like that and cuts off callers who hint at it; Randi Rhodes suggested it on-air at least twice.

Pamela D. Hart said...

Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject. Because you’re twisting words and posting half quotes and that is immature, at best.

WHERE did you ASK that your so-called friends/colleagues on the right speak out against this “thuggery”? Was that before or after YOU accused ME of being a rabble-rousing-brown-shirt?

BUT even IF you did request assistance with this town hall endeavor, you have NO right to get angry if we chose not to post about them. I’m not quite sure who appointed YOU Blogging Director, but it is our right to blog about what we want. HOWEVER, since you are SO concerned about the town hall thugs. Where is YOUR post about the Pro-Obama supporter who bit off the finger of the 65 year old Anti-Health Care Supporter? Oh, wait, you are a double standard blogger and only post on the town hall meetings that fit YOUR agenda. My bad. At least Jennifer and I are consistent. We aren’t posting on any town hall meetings, good or bad!

You know Octo, I have ignored your taunts, innuendos and comments about me; because when you said our friendship was OVER…I believed you. For me, when it’s done— it’s done. But it’s quite obvious YOU can’t let go.

I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do. But this is a PLEA and hopefully you will agree to it, as it is NOW in black and white for all to see.

Arthurstone said...

Ah yes. More responses for the 'yes, but' & 'they did it too, and WORSE' duo. I'm interested to read an NY or LA Times piece from 2001 hoping for the 'failure' of the Bush presidency.

One will do.

And Gordon is right. If you want to learn just how horrible lefties are by all means visit the Michelle Malkin website. She'll have a field day with the recent finger chomping episode. In Malkinland. a parallel universe to be sure, tidbits like this (and the notorious Moveon ad contest entry for example) are carefully catalogued, preserved and stored for future use as needed.

dmarks said...

Arthur said: "they did it too, and WORSE"

That is your point, not mine. No where in what I have stated will you find anything that supports such a paraphrasing.

I don't read Malkin.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

Pamela: “Octo: Excuse me, but I must interject (…) I’m not quite sure who appointed YOU Blogging Director, but it is our right to blog about what we want.”

What you accuse me of is a projection of yourself. You accuse me of appointing myself as “Blogging Director;” yet here you are appointing yourself as protector and defender of Jennifer, who, according to her above comment, seems capable of defending herself. Who appointed you?

Pamela: “You know Octo, I have ignored your taunts, innuendos and comments about me …

Actually, what you accuse me of is again a projection of yourself. In a comment thread at the Swash Zone about a month ago, I referred to a generic, “so-called conservative friends,” which you chose to mean you. The reference could have meant anybody. What makes you think it is always about YOU?

If you refer to the dates when you started trashing various Swash Zone writers, and the dates of my responses, you will find that your remarks antedate mine by a wide margin. A projection is also a double standard when you reserve your right to attack but deny my right to defend.

Pamela: “ I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do.”

Unbeknownst to you, I did communicate the same request on several occasions to Jennifer who turned around and violated it.

Rightfully, I could accuse you of disingenuousness and dishonesty but I won’t because I would not want you to accuse me of accusing you of disingenuousness and dishonesty.

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Jennifer said...

Shaw, I believe you may not have realized the genius of your post title......

STOP THE MADNESS! I couldn't agree more!

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Octo says......."Unbeknownst to you, I did communicate the same request on several occasions to Jennifer who turned around and violated it."

"I ASK, in the MOST polite manner possible, that you PLEASE ignore Jennifer and me in the future. We, in turn, will ignore you, which is what we have been trying to do. But this is a PLEA and hopefully you will agree to it, as it is NOW in black and white for all to see."

Pam, I admire you for trying but it's obvious from the comment above that he just can't let it go. I've realized that the best course of action for me is to just ignore him. Your support is always appreciated! TTYL

((hugs))

ConradNY said...

Yes, Stop the madness, get rid of these Commie Cars!! Early this morning we did get rid of one of the worst.. Thanks to Glenn Beck.. Yes, A commie in the WHITEHOUSE BITE THE DUST!!!!!! OHHHH YEAH! LIFE IS GOOD
One down, 31 to go. With the Racist Czar now out of the White House it's time to work on Czar Mark Lloyd, the Chief Diversity Something or Another at the FCC. This Mark Lloyd character is in love with Hugo Chavez so much so he thought it was a wonderful thing when Chavez seized control of media operations his country. Most disturbing.
With so much spinning in this admin. Obamatron's congress will never pass healthcare. What a great diversion at the right time. What a scam too at this announcement at 3am. What a joke. The Berry administration prove more and more everyday that they are political rookies. One down, 31 to go

ConradNY said...

Sorry for the typo, I meant to Czars"


Not Cars..

dmarks said...

Conrady: I am a bit disappointed. I was so hoping for a rant on Soviet Lada automobiles, and East German Trabants.

"Don't turn around, uh-oh..... Der Commie car's in town. Uh-oh.

Anyway, you are so right about Mark Lloyd, who has declared an all-out war on the First Amendment.

Shaw Kenawe said...

ConradNY,

What would the internet do without well thought-out and reasoned comments like yours?

Question: Does your mother charge you rent for the use of her basement?

libhom said...

Gordon: The LaRouchies are conservatives.

Gordon said...

Libhom,

I can see why you might think so at first glance, but in fact, they are fascists. Charismatic leader, favor a high degree of state control over the economy, politics as a substitute for religion, truth explicitly defined as whatever serves the cause; all classic fascist attributes.