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Saturday, November 21, 2015

Calling for the death of our American president is...



a federal offense.  But the "good Americans" doing so  believe it is Mr. Obama who is engaging in treason, not them, even as they wish for him to be murdered,.

These people are irrational and dangerous. These people are the same people who support Donald Trump, y'know, the candidate who would shut down mosques and require American Muslims to sign into a data base registry -- so that Trump's government will know who and where they are.

The blog comment on murdering President Obama is below.  I've passed it and the blog's name onto the FBI and to WordPress.com.

We believe in free speech, but free speech has its limits, and one of them is when a treasonous group of people advocate for the murder, by a hit man, no less, of our duly elected American president.  





Mal says:
Every time O opens his mouth, he makes himself less and less believable. He is the laughing stock
of the world…………and so are we for having elected him! For the free world to have any chance of survival, we need to get rid of him NOW, and being as we “can’t” impeach him, then a hit man, whatever…..one life in exchange for the rest of the world would be a bargain. I know what that sounds like and can hardly believe I’m saying it, but given the thousands who have been killed and millions who have been displaced, his death would be nothing. 

You may not know it, Mal, but merely threatening to kill or hurt the President is a federal crime. It doesn't matter if the person actually means it or if the threat is made on paper, the telephone, or over the Internet...


Federal and State Laws 

 A federal law makes it a crime to threaten to hurt someone else if the threat is made through "interstate commerce." Generally, that covers any threat sent through the US Postal Service, e-mail, or otherwise over the Internet. Many states have similar laws. A person convicted of committing this crime may be fined, sent to jail, or both. 

As you can see, cyber threats are serious business.



  1. Mal says:
    (to finish the above…sorry!) it would make him a Martyr and they would make him like Martin Luther King and name streets after him!
  2. Kid says:
    Mal, do you really want barack hussein obama boulevards and buildings and schools all over America? ;-)
  3. Kid says:
    I’d rather see a military coup. Take him and biden and toss them out on their ears. Put Ryan in for the next 14 months



Threatening the President of the United States is a class E felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871. The offense is punishable by up to 5 years in prison, a $250,000 maximum fine, a $100 special assessment, and 3 years of supervised release. Internet restrictions such as a prohibition on access to email have been imposed on offenders who made their threats by computer. The U.S. Sentencing Guidelines set a base offense level of 12 for sending threatening communication, but when a threat to the President is involved, a 6-level "official victim" enhancement applies. Moreover, "an upward departure may be warranted due to the potential disruption of the governmental function




The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that a threat was knowingly made if the maker comprehended the meaning of the words uttered by him. It was willingly made, if in addition to comprehending the meaning of his words, the maker voluntarily and intentionally uttered them as a declaration of apparent determination to carry them into execution. 


Other cases


Courts have held that a person is guilty of the offense if certain criteria are met. Specifically, he must intentionally make a threat in a context, and under such circumstances, that a reasonable person would foresee that the statement would be interpreted by persons hearing or reading it as a serious expression of an intention to harm the President. The statement must also not be the result of mistake, duress or coercion. A true threat is a serious threat and not words uttered as a mere political argument, idle talk, or jest.

The standard definition of a true threat does not require actual subjective intent to carry out the threat.




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17 comments:

Anonymous said...


Dear God, what sickos.

I'm Skippy's Mom said...

Jeebus Crackers, Shaw. Do they know you've reported this?

Shaw Kenawe said...

I.S.M.,

I don't know, nor do I care if they know. I've notified the FBI and WordPress of the violation of federal law. I looked up what constitutes a violation, and the law is crystal clear:

"...merely threatening to kill or hurt the President is a federal crime. It doesn't matter if the person actually means it or if the threat is made on paper, the telephone, or over the Internet...


Federal and State Laws

A federal law makes it a crime to threaten to hurt someone else if the threat is made through "interstate commerce." Generally, that covers any threat sent through the US Postal Service, e-mail, or otherwise over the Internet. Many states have similar laws. A person convicted of committing this crime may be fined, sent to jail, or both.


Shaw Kenawe said...

And this:

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that a threat was knowingly made if the maker comprehended the meaning of the words uttered by him. It was willingly made, if in addition to comprehending the meaning of his words, the maker voluntarily and intentionally uttered them as a declaration of apparent determination to carry them into execution.


Other cases

Courts have held that a person is guilty of the offense if certain criteria are met. Specifically, he must intentionally make a threat in a context, and under such circumstances, that a reasonable person would foresee that the statement would be interpreted by persons hearing or reading it as a serious expression of an intention to harm the President. The statement must also not be the result of mistake, duress or coercion. A true threat is a serious threat and not words uttered as a mere political argument, idle talk, or jest.

The standard definition of a true threat does not require actual subjective intent to carry out the threat.

Anonymous said...

Cute, but he didn't say HE was going to kill him, only that he should be killed. Educate yourself dummy.

Anonymous said...

You are obviously not an attorney

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anonymous: look up the definition of "WE."

He said "...we need to get rid of him NOW, and being as we “can’t” impeach him, then a hit man, whatever…..one life in exchange for the rest of the world would be a bargain. I know what that sounds like and can hardly believe I’m saying it, but given the thousands who have been killed and millions who have been displaced, his death would be nothing.


we
wē/Submit
pronoun
1.
used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together.
"shall we have a drink?"
2.
used in formal contexts for or by a royal person, or by a writer or editor, to refer to himself or herself.


Who's the real dummy? However, WE'LL excuse you if English isn't your first language. Foreigners don't always understand pronouns and what their meanings are.

Anyway, I've sent the threat into the FBI and WordPress.com, and WE'LL let them decide on how serious the threat is.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Also Anon, "Mal" wrote this:

"I know what that sounds like and can hardly believe I’m saying it..."

This is a direct admission that HE said it.

Smarter trolls, please.

Ducky's here said...

Point of order, Shaw. Trump isn't nearly as popular on the mother ship as Carson.
They were a bit frightened that one of his gaffes ( forget which one of many ) would hurt his polls.

General violent Obama rhetoric is pretty common there.
The Queen Bee herself has asked them to tone it down on several occasions.

It's a pretty ugly blog but that intense sentiment can be seen driving the
Republican debates.

Dave Miller said...

Ducky, they've backed off Carson too since his own foreign affairs said he's basically unteachable on issues in that arena.

Gonna be interesting to see who is the last man standing.

But Dems should not be smug. More acts of terrorism will only hurt them...

Shaw Kenawe said...


Dave, I don't think Democrats should be smug. That Donald Trump has gone as far as he has in the nomination process shows us that all bets are off. I don't recognize this country anymore.

I do know this, though: I can accept all the vile names those people throw at the president and his family, I can accept all the withering criticisms they batter him and the Democrats with day after day after day. That's politics, and the Democrats did the same to Bush II (although this blog never denigrated Bush's wife or children, and I spoke out against those liberals who did). But what I am sick of is reading death threats against the president. Why can't those people be content with their vile name-calling and hysterics over everything Obama does, including breathing? No. They're driven mad by this president and have crossed the line to breaking the law with death threats against him. Let them pay the consequences, whatever they are, for their elimination rhetoric and death threats against our American president.

Free Twinkies said...

What cowardly little worms. I'll bet they'll all be talking about Jesus Christ tomorrow after they've congratulated themselves on wanting to murder the president.

Do those people even understand how sick they are? Glad you kept a copy of that thread, Shaw. The FBI will be very interested in it. WordPress will know who the owner of the blog is and will have to turn that info over to them if they pursue the death threats.

Now let's wait to see tomorrow's post on how much the little conspirators for murder love the baby Jesus.

Infidel753 said...

Anon 3:53: The FBI knows what the law is. It's the right thing to do to report it to them and let them decide if there has been a violation or not. Better that, than to let a real threat go unreported due to uncertainty.

Ducky's here said...

@Dave -- Ducky, they've backed off Carson
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I don't know, Dave. Ben's recent "security" statement should make some friends.
Bens calling for the clamp down.
Wonder who will be in charge of the blacklist.

"What I have said is that I would be in favor of monitoring a mosque or any church or any organization or any school or any press corps where there was a lot of radicalization and things that were anti-American," Carson told reporters during an appearance at a justice forum in South Carolina. He did not expound on just how an administration would determine what constitutes "radicalization" or "anti-American."

Anonymous said...

YOU made the claim it was a crime. YOU are wrong. I would agree let the authorities decide if it meets charges, but you didn't, you gave your wrong and uneducated opinion, which you do everyday.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anonymous @12:33

You're wrong. I didn't make the claim that threatening the life of the US president is a crime, THE LAW MADE THAT CLAIM:

Threatening the President of the United States is a class E felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871

"Mal" very clearly states that he wants a "hit man" to kill the president:

Mal wrote: "For the free world to have any chance of survival, we need to get rid of him NOW, and being as we “can’t” impeach him, then a hit man, whatever…..one life in exchange for the rest of the world would be a bargain. I know what that sounds like and can hardly believe I’m saying it, but given the thousands who have been killed and millions who have been displaced, his death would be nothing."

It is people like anonymous who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Smarter trolls, please.

Jerry Critter said...

Troll and smart is an oxymoron.