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Monday, November 16, 2015

What President Obama actually said...

UPDATE BELOW



about America winning:

"What I do not do is to take actions either because it is going to work politically or it is going to somehow in the abstract make America look tough. Or make me look tough. 

And maybe part of the reason is because every few months I go to Walter Reed and I see a 25 year old kid who is paralyzed or who has lost his limbs and some of those are people I've ordered into battle. And so I can’t afford to play some of the political games that others may. 

We’ll do what’s required to keep the American people safe. And I think it’s entirely appropriate in a democracy to have a serious debate about these issues. If folks want to pop off and have opinions about what they think they would do, present a specific plan. If they think that somehow their advisers are better than the chairman of my Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the folks who are actually on the ground, I want to meet them. And we can have that debate. 

 But what I’m not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of American leadership, or America winning or whatever other slogans they come up with, that has no relationship to what is actually going to work to protect the American people. And to protect people in the region who are getting killed. And to protect our allies in people like France. I’m too busy for that."


The people on the far right distort, misrepresent, and lie about what the president actually said:

Obama On ISIS: I'm Not Interested In 'America Winning'



That, of course, is a bald-faced lie on what President Obama said in CONTEXT. But the dishonesty of the far right took it out of context and spread it all over their news sites and blogs like so much horse crap, because that's what they deal in all the time -- piles of horse crap, and their followers eat it up like candy, because they relish their hatred; it's their life's blood and what keeps the poor unfortunates alive.

Ignore the freaks. They're not honest on any level and a disgrace to this country.

UPDATE:


In the aftermath of the French terrorist attacks last Friday, many people were shocked to hear claims from law enforcement that Syrian passports had been found near the bodies of two of the suspected Paris attackers. The thought that terrorists could be blown up, and yet have their passports survive seemed implausible, at the very least. 

 Now we know that those passports were in fact complete fakes according to the Wall Street Journal.

31 comments:

From a rightwing sewer said...

The rightwing lobotomized idiots.

Rusty Shackelford November 16, 2015 at 8:32 AM
After listening to Barack the Magic Negro's speech today it has become obvious, we are seeing something previously unimaginable.......a French president having more balls then an American president

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Lisa November 16, 2015 at 9:12 AM
And who would ever think we would touting a Russian president over an American one.? Definitely a new low for America.
I though we were bombing important ISIS targets in Syria
We didn't know where those targets are that the French are now bombing ? Sounds like we have been getting fed a huge helping of BS.




FreeThinke November 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM
But, Lisa, America hasn't had an AMERICAN president for the past seven years.

Barack was deliberately raised to be a virulent ANTI-AMERICAN. His grandparents were COMMUNISTS and they raised their daughter Stanley Ann Dunham to REJECT traditional American ideals and values. The virtually FORBADE her to sleep with normal, white American boys and practically ORDERED her to date NON-WHITES ONLY and to get pregnant by a NEGRO asap. Love and marriage had nothing to do with it. This was a CALCULATED AFFRONT to American middle class morality and part of an OFFENSIVE movement to undermine and destroy Western Christian Capitalist Civilization.

WIth a vile, perverted background like that, how could poor little Barack ever have had a chance to be anything but the despicable, cold-hearted leftist SHIT he is?


Brainless, dangerous, and pathetic.

Dave Miller said...

So... let's have that debate Shaw!

Many on the right want to send troops, like Bill Kristol suggesting 50,000. What if the American people do not want to do that? What if America will not support it? Want to gauge that support and put us on a never ending war footing? Let's have the GOP and the rabid conservatives tell us the cost and then institute a war tax to cover that cost. Fiscal responsibility, like what FDR did.

The problem here is that there are few politically possible options. That is why we will not hear specifics from the GOP or the extremists. Because they know it is easier to carp, than suggest specific plans which their own supporters will shoot apart.

Boots on the ground in Raqqa? For how long? How many?

Yes, let's ask the military leaders. Like we did before Iraq. Conservatives should remember that right? The how many troops answer was double what we were willing to send. but no matter, we sent those kids to their deaths with too few troops and too little armor. Just like what people are wanting to do now!

Shaw Kenawe said...

From a right wing sewer, no decent, intelligent, sane person that I know pays any attention to a guy who refers to women as c**ts, to an unfortunate woman who promotes racism and pornography on her blog, or to a confused, angry anti-Semite, whose greatest achievement in blogging is slandering Jews and the POTUS. None of them matter in polite society. Only the marginalized malcontents pay any attention to their cries for attention.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Dave, the knee-jerk reaction for frightened people is to send other people's children into war to allay their fears -- they never consider the consequences of starting a war and know nothing about how to end one.

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

ISIS seeks to start a paradigm war by destroying the “Grey Zone” where Muslims and Westerners coexist in a peaceful world. There is a logic and purpose behind every savage act: To accelerate the descent into chaos, madness, and more bloodshed.

It may appear counter intuitive to those who demand retribution; but the inevitable backlash that follows every tragedy merely feeds the narrative of ISIS in their war to eliminate the “Grey Zone.”

Reactionary rhetoric, stereotyping all Muslims as terrorists, exploiting outrage to advance a partisan agenda, while ignoring the larger humanitarian crisis … these are dangerously counter-productive.

It is worthwhile to explore appeals for tolerance and community outreach given the challenges of our time.

Shaw Kenawe said...



"It is worthwhile to explore appeals for tolerance and community outreach given the challenges of our time."

The people who refuse to do so and who blame all Muslims for the atrocities of the few would not tolerate people blaming all Christians for the terrorists in the Christian KKK, or blaming all Catholics for the pedophile priests, or all Irish men and women for the IRA terrorist attacks.

The calls for the extermination of all Muslims is an atrocity in itself, but the people doing so haven't the ability to understand this.

Rational Nation USA said...

Because they are paralyzed and frightened their desire to understand is suspended so they can justify in their own mind genocide of those they fear. Regardless of how irrational and inhuman it may be.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Another "taken out of context" quote by President Obama that the low IQ Rabids on the Right keep insisting he made:

"Stephanopoulos: "Some of your critics say, even your friendly critics say, like Fareed Zakaria, that what you have on the ground now is not going to be enough. Every couple of months you're going to be faced with the same choice of back down or double down."

Obama: "I think what is true is that this has always been a multiyear project precisely because the governance structures in the Sunni areas of Iraq are weak, and there are none in Syria. And we don't have ground forces there in sufficient numbers to simply march into Al-Raqqah in Syria and clean the whole place out. And as a consequence, we've always understood that our goal has to be militarily constraining ISIL's capabilities, cutting off their supply lines, cutting off their financing at the same time as we're putting a political track together in Syria and fortifying the best impulses in Baghdad so that we can, not just win militarily, but also win by improving governance."

Stephanopoulos: "And that's the strategy you've been following. But ISIS is gaining strength, aren't they?"

Obama: "Well, no, I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria they'll come in, they'll leave. But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain. What we have not yet been able to do is to completely decapitate their command and control structures. We've made some progress in trying to reduce the flow of foreign fighters."

When Obama said "we have contained them," it’s within a plainly defined scope: ISIS’s territorial ambitions in Iraq and Syria. This context is bolstered by the fact that Stephanopoulos asks Obama about the ground efforts in those two countries.

He wasn’t saying, as critics have shorthanded, that ISIS no longer presents a threat -- an assertion that the Paris attacks would have negated. In fact, in the same interview, Obama acknowledged that ISIS might have surpassed al-Qaida as the greatest terror threat in the world, adding that they are constantly looking for "a crack in the system" to exploit to carry out attacks. "I think that one of the challenges of these international terrorist organizations is that they don't have to have a huge amount of personnel," Obama said."




The trouble-makers on the right would have you believe their dishonest, out-of-context quotes by Obama -- they're simplistic and make great sound-bites for the simple-minded folks whose only goal is to slander the POTUS. These people are shallow, stupid, and nothing more than rabble rousing monkeys flinging poo because that's all they have. They certainly don't deal facts or honesty.

In the end, Obama's strategy will prove to be the prudent one, not that of the hysterics who bellow BOMB THE BASTARDS! That's what the dumbasses would have us do --drag us into another futile ground war, getting other people's children killed and maimed.

What we're involved with in the M.E. at this time is a direct result of that brainless war that C-Plus Augustus and his Halliburton cabinet got us into in 2003.

Edward said...

Take a look around the internet and read what impotent, snotty verse writers, who believe they know "TRUTH," are spewing -- death to all Muslims! along with a big helping of cretinous sludge that passes for "high-minded" discussion that slanders Obama. Makes the little has beens feel big and powerful while they sit at their keyboards telling everyone how SMART and full of the TRUTH they are, when we all know that their lies come from fear and cowardice.

Shaw Kenawe said...



Fact Checkers Confirm That What President Obama Said About ISIL Being Contained Is True

Anonymous said...



Whew.....glad that is cleared up. Knowing ISIS is contained should ease the grief of the family's of those killed.

Rusty Old Ford said...



Oklahoma Man Shot After Telling 911 He Would Shoot 'Anything That Looks Like A Muslim'

Sounds like an escapee from those Bagger Blogs.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anon @3:15, your asshattery is surpassed only by your ignorance.

"All of the attackers from Friday’s massacre in Paris so far have been identified as European Union nationals, according to a top EU official. The announcement further casts doubt on the validity of a Syrian passport found near the bodies of a slain attacker.

“Let me underline, the profile of the terrorists so far identified tells us this is an internal threat,” Federica Mogherini, the High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of the European Commission, said after a meeting with EU foreign ministers. “It is all EU citizens so far. This can change with the hours, but so far it is quite clear it is an issue of internal domestic security.”

Shaw Kenawe said...

Rusty O.F., sounds like what they're writing over at the pant-wetting blogs.

Funny we never hear that sort of panic every time a young white man shoots up a school or church. They don't pee themselves worrying about the next young white man who'll commit domestic terrorism. Nor do they scream for the "deportation" of all young white males.

Don't expect rationality from those people.

Dave Miller said...

Once again, my Mexican-American, Spanish Speaking, Pro-Choice, Obamacare expanding GOP continues to amaze me, refusing to join the extremists in barring Syrians...

He's a GOP guy I can respect, have voted for, and one day expect to again, for President of the United States!

Thank you Governor Brian Sandoval.

Anonymous said...

Remember all gun owners and southerners are wackos but all muslims are not terrorists.
Makes sense to me.
I just feel so much better knowing ISIS is contained and not gaining ground.

Dave Miller said...

So let's allow the loonies some time, but only if they answer us this...

If you believe what President Obama is doing, which many would agree is less than effective, what do you propose? What should we do differently? How should we pay for it? What if the American people do not support what you advocate? Should we do it anyway?

If you advocate direct military action, which the "Generals" would surely assert if they had to decide on how to conquer ISIS, would you support a draft to assemble the required manpower?

Shaw, it is easy to complain, much harder to propose a viable solution, as the left learned after we invaded Iraq.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anon @3:34 isn't it early to be hitting the bottle?

I hope that's the reason you left such a garbled nonsensical comment.

Shaw Kenawe said...



Dave, the first thing frightened people do when faced with terrorism is to overreact -- like the Bush Administration did when they invaded Iraq -- a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

President Obama has said that he consults with his generals for advice on how to best deal with containing ISIS. The wingers who are screaming for retaliation and for DOING SOMETHING! consult World Nut Daily or Michael Savage or John "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" McCain. I much prefer a measured sober approach rather than going off half cocked, dragging this country into another boots on the ground war.

Notice the sarcasm by Anon @3:34. No solution, just snark. Which is totally useless.

PS, your governor sounds like a rational, reasonable Republican (as is our Mass. governor on most issues). Sandoval is probably disliked by the Tea Party because he's so reasonable.

C. Johnson the 3rd said...



Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists

DIDDADINDADDY!

Proud Moron said...




"The very best place that we could ever possibly send all these Syrian refugees, is Boston, or as I like to call it, a little piece of Shari'a on the Charles."

okjimm said...

"that terrorists could be blown up, and yet have their passports survive seemed implausible, at the very least. yupperz...AND...everyone knows that all Arabic,Moslem,Jihadists,terrorist types carry their passports with them when engaging in suicide attacks. They have also been known to carry Hawaiian birth certificates,copies of Das Kapital,spare change for the metro,Democratic Party membership cards........ and some Certs breathe mints, lest they offend.

I tiptoed through Free Dinke's blog......I think he is losing his race with Dementia.

gotta go....being listening to the Marseillaise alot....the scene at Rick's Cafe in Casablanca is killer..... and this one rocks me big time......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA

Brrrrrrrrrttt! said...

To "Proud Moron:"

Massachusetts Named Smartest State In New Report


The people of Boston fart in your general direction.

Ducky's here said...

"We can't take Syrian refugees because it's too easy for them to buy guns."

You should have mentioned it was a Texas legislator. Probably channeling Lois Gohmert.

It's disgraceful that we won't accept refugees, especially from a war which our policies have
fostered.
It's very rare that refugees is involved in terrorism.

When we are existing in a state of hate and fear and xenophobia how is it possible to form constructive policy?

Ducky's here said...

The Syrian passport is fake


Just what is happening is unclear but it could easily be an attempt to generate a more intense
resistance to refugees and fan the hatred.

Dave Miller said...

And now it appears Sandoval folded today...

Dang, I thought there'd be one sand GOP leader.

I wonder why we let in the Armenian communists, the Cuban communists, and others in the past from countries who also hated us.

Anonymous said...



Is Dave still proud of Gov.Sandoval? He's now joined the refusing list.

Dave Miller said...

Anon, while I am not happy with his falling in line with the rest of the xenophobic governors, who even see danger in Syrian orphans, yes, I am still proud of my governor.

He's balanced the budget, brought together divergent views in our state, got more money for education, has seen the teen pregnancy and abortion rates fall dramatically and is respected by a large majority of people in this state.

Too bad he flip flopped, but that's politics.

Michael K. said...

Today's rant is addressed to those who think we should not allow Syrian or other Muslim/Arabs into the country. You know who you are. Perhaps you're Italian-American, like, say, Scalia or Alito. You might want to look up the Sacco-Vanzetti persecution/prosecution, as dangerous anarchists flowed into a sleeping USA from the swarthy south of Europe. Or the Nisei internment during World War II and the Korematsu case. Or the naked racism of the Chinese Exclusion Act and the McCarran-Walter quotas. A few other things. Not a one of which is to the credit of the USA in retrospect. Meanwhile, there's close to universal agreement that all those prior immigrant groups have made significant contributions to the country, and now are fully accepted as Americans, even if Italian-Americans still eat Italian food, Irish-Americans still fly the Irish flag alongside the American flag, like that. We have responded with fear and bigotry to immigrants before. Not once was that justified. Not once.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton (6th Congressional District):

"Slamming the door on all refugees is morally wrong, un-American and it won't help us defeat ISIS. It’s acting out of fear. One thing I have always been proud of is that we never let the enemy change our values here in America."

Gov. Baker refusing to accept Syrian refugees, for now

Gov. Charlie Baker said today the Bay State will not accept any Syrian refugees until he is given more information from the Obama administration in the wake of the terror attacks in Paris.“My first priority is protecting citizens of the commonwealth," Baker said, adding right now he's refu…
BOSTONHERALD.COM

Also, Big Bad Loud-Mouth New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is afraid of 5-Year Old Syrian Orphans. More proof of the fear and hatred of The Other that drives the T-GOP.

Ducky's here said...

I saw that, Shaw.

Kudos to Moulton.