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Thursday, September 8, 2016

Last Night's CiC Forum with Hillary and Trump


UPDATE BELOW

Well that was telling.

Hillary answered all of Matt Lauer's questions with a depth of knowledge and understanding of the complex issues. She was totally composed and presidential.

Donald "Take Their Oil" Trump was himself:

1)   He dodged the questions, lied about his support of the Iraq War and his support for intervention in Libya; 

2)   He trashed the military, calling the generals nothing but a heap of rubble; 

3)   He praised the Commie strongman, Putin, calling him a "great leader," while disparaging America's Commander in Chief in front of America's military;


4)   When asked by Lauer about his plan to defeat ISIS, Trump said he would ask the generals to come up with one in 30 days. Lauer then reminded Trump that he bragged to America that HE had a great plan a beautiful plan. Trump then said, he'd combine his plan with the generals' plan. Complete and utter bullshit.

Why someone didn't march him off the stage like the small-handed quisling that he showed himself to be, is a mystery. Apparently there are Americans out there who lap up Trump's disjointed uninformed stupidity because they're as dumb as he is.  

Can anyone imagine a Democrat praising the former head of Communist Russia's KGB over our American president and not getting booed off the stage? 

And Lauer was cowed by the Horse's Ass, interrupting Hillary constantly with time checks and not saying a word to counter the sophomoric drivel coming from Trump. As Norm Ornstein observed, it's tough to be a woman running for the presidency.

There is no question that Hillary has a deep knowledge about foreign and domestic issues and is prepared to be president.

Donald Trump is still a bullshitter, and an unapologetic liar.






DEAR GAWD!








UPDATE:

DIGBY:


Trump's own words:

“I’m good at war. I’ve had a lot of wars of my own. I’m really good at war. I love war in a certain way, but only when we win.”

Trump has never been in the service, although he has said "I always felt I was in the military” because of his education at a military-themed boarding school and believes that he has “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”

 That comment "I'm good at war" says everything about Trump as he demonstrated last night at the town hall forum that he is indeed unfit to be president of the United States. There were many aspects of his performance that had people gasping at the mere idea of this man in a position of real power, not the least of which was his comment that President Obama compares unfavorably to Russian president Vladimir Putin who "has an 85 percent approval rating" and is "very much a leader" because he has "strong control over his country."


So, the GOP nominee for Commander in Chief tells people that he's "good at war," "has had a lot of wars of his own" and "loves war in a certain way" despite never having been in the military. He also believes he's a "genius" who is "more militaristic" than anyone in the room. His plan to defeat ISIS is to blow up the Iraqi oil wells and have Exxon come in and rebuild them. And he believes that half the military leadership are fools and cites Vladimir Putin's "approval rating" as evidence of superior leadership.



I repeat. Anyone who votes for this maniac should be shamed and shunned for all eternity.

20 comments:

Dave Miller said...

In a country where opposing the leader can get you killed, Trump marvels at Putin's 82% approval ratings. He must really admire the leader of North Korea who probably approaches 100% range...

Shaw Kenawe said...

This morning Gary Johnson was interviewed on MSNBC's Morning Joe's program and was asked, "What about Aleppo?" by Mike Barnicle.

Johnson replied: "What is Aleppo?"

Jeebus. How come I know what Aleppo is, and I'm not running for the presidency?! That was extremely embarrassing for Johnson and a sign that Donald Trump isn't the only foreign policy neophyte running for the presidency.

Gary Johnson: 'What Is Aleppo?'

Gary Johnson, the Libertarian presidential candidate, does not know what Aleppo is.

Asked on Wednesday's "Morning Joe" what he would do if elected president about the city in Syria at the center of the refugee crisis, Johnson earnestly asked what Aleppo is even.

"And what is Aleppo?" Johnson said.

"You're kidding me," Mike Barnicle responded, who asked the question. Barnicle then began to explain what Aleppo is to the candidate.

"OK, got it, got it," Johnson cut him off, and then added, "With regard to Syria I do think it's a mess. I think that the only way that we deal with Syria is to join hands with Russia to diplomatically bring that at an end."

"It's just a mess," he said.

Yes."




Rational Nation USA said...

Trump is a single word... PUKE.

That from a real fiscal conserative with a social conscience.

A Women who knows much of what she says. said...

Oh please, don't feed us your BS, because it just ain't gonna fly.
You Libs have a way of deverting thing in the other direction
Trump is in no way a Putin Lovrr, but what he said was the truth, so why slant it?

Shaw Kenawe said...

To "A Women who knows much of what she says,"

I have an idea -- why don't you learn "much of" the English language, then maybe people will take you seriously. I know 2nd graders who know how to use the words "woman" and "women" correctly. Also spell check is a useful tool, unlike you.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Frances Langum fro Crooks and Liars:

"We are finally to the point where "folks are noticing" to paraphrase the President, that the political media in the United States has taken it upon themselves to legitimize Donald Trump's candidacy for the Presidency.

This, in spite of all evidence pointing to Trump's total inability to understand policy, his disqualifying lack of temperament, and his constant lying. Constant, constant, lying.

Barack Obama is still doing the actual work of being President of the United States, but from a press conference in Laos, Obama took time to point out the obvious to the press corps.

'Donald Trump is not qualified to be President, and you in the media should listen to what he is saying and follow up with his false and disqualifying statements.'

It's not complicated. But profit-driven cable media, addicted as it is to both siderism and the "view from nowhere," can't not make this a horse race, even though most quasi-sane Republicans and traditionally Republican-endorsing editorial boards are lining up behind Clinton."

Shaw Kenawe said...


RN, I will never understand the people who actually think Trump is competent to be president when every time he speaks unscripted he shows America his towering ignorance.

You can count yourself among principled conservatives -- and there are many out there. Those who support Trump have traded in principle for vengeance. They should be shamed and shunned for eternity.

Anonymous said...


Here's the grammatically challenged "A Women who knows much of what she says," on another blog:


"The Women that Knows MuchSeptember 8, 2016 at 10:19 AM
If you are saying that this "women" should remind me of Hillary Clinton, perhaps..I've been saying this for years. I've never seen a woman so obsessed with power as Hitlery Clinton."

It's a well known fact that Trump appeals to the poorly educated.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Mark Sumner:

"In less than twenty minutes of talking, Donald Trump generated a list of statements, any one of which should be genuinely disqualifying.

He called the existing generals of the US military “rubble” and declared that he would replace them with selections from the list of retirees who endorsed Trump.

Given the opportunity to walk back his previous statement, Trump instead doubled-down on the idea that rape in the military is the inevitable result of allowing women to serve alongside men.

He spent a full two minutes singing the praises of Vladimir Putin, and when reminded of a few of Putin’s foibles—invading Crimea, supporting dictators, generally killing people he doesn’t like—Trump replied with a remark about “thing Obama has done.”

He excused his Putin love by declaring that Putin “has an 82 percent approval rating.” 82 percent? Bah! Fearless Leader won last election with 117 percent of vote!

Trump once again called on America to replace nation-building with empire-building by “taking Iraq’s oil.” Using some kind of unspecified special troops that we can only assume includes Bruce Willis and the best damn oil-stealers on Earth.

He revealed that he doesn’t have a secret plan to eliminate ISIS, except that he does have a secret plan, except that he’s going to ask the generals, and maybe he will make a hybrid plan, or maybe not. But he’s not telling.

In perhaps the peak insanity of the night (though really, by the time we reached this point, my insanity detector was numb) Trump let America in on his secret military intelligence briefings and revealed the startling fact that he could tell that the intelligence staff was really pissed at Obama, and Clinton, and John Kerry … because “I’m really good at body language.”

He finished by declaring that Hillary Clinton has “a happy trigger.”

Ducky's here said...

Seemed like a good night for Hillary.

She held her ground on the e-mail issue and there still isn't anything there.

Trump made a dope of himself (okay no big task) on the question of ISIS.
Now let's ignore the fact that the current strategy has reduced their territory, man power and funding. That's clearly a losing strategy to the Trumpets.
No, La Donald favors, wait for it, MORE BOMBING. The magic solution to everything which should especially give people pause when you look at Obama's current visit to Laos.
Plus, he'll ask his generals (those he doesn't fire) for a plan to wipe out ISIS in 30 days and he'll accept it if he feels it's superior to his.
That's right, he has a secret plan to end the war. Deja vu all over again.

Meanwhile Drudge is pedaling a doctored photo showing Hillary wearing what might be an earpiece.
I'm not sure why this is important.
Seems like they're down to seeds and stems.

Is Aleppo near Benghazi?

Dave Miller said...

What a tragic night for Matt Lauer.

Why did he decide to push back on the bromance Trump has for a dictator like Putin, but when he said he opposed going into Iraq and Libya [Clear, proven lies] he sat there like a statue.

Is this where we are? Media feels a need to legitimate a candidate because a party chose that person?

What a hot mess last night was for the media in general.

Trump has these folks in his pocket. Even Chris Wallace said it is not his job to fact check answers. Then why ask if we are just going to allow people to utter blatant falsehoods?

Shaw Kenawe said...


Dave,

If you look at PolitiFact (the fact-checking organization hated by the rabid right because they believe George Soros runs it), you'll see a chart they made showing who told the most lies.

And yet people believe Hillary is dishonest?

Jon Chait on last night's CiC forum:

"Trump went on to make a series of wild and dangerous statements. He praised Russian President Vladimir Putin as a strong, effective, and popular leader. Lauer did press him on this point, and when he did, Trump offered the astonishing rebuttal, saying President Obama had done equivalently brutish things. Lauer did not press Trump on his claim that the president of the United States behaves in a fundamentally similar way to a dictator who imprisons and kills political critics and journalists. Trump likewise reiterated his belief that “to the victor go the spoils” is the proper basis for American foreign policy, specifically with regard to his long-standing lament that the United States failed to steal Iraq’s oil after the 2003 invasion.

Lauer’s attempt to press Trump was the completely ineffectual technique of asking repeatedly if he is ready to serve as commander-in-chief. Lauer probably believes the answer is no, but nothing about this question would drive home Trump’s extraordinary lack of knowledge. Instead it allowed him to performatively demonstrate his confident, alpha-male reality-show character as a prospective chief executive.

Both of these beliefs stun and appall foreign-policy experts in both parties, as readers of the Washington Post or the New York Times know. But the average undecided voter isn’t reading those newspapers. The average undecided voter is getting snippets of news from television personalities like Lauer, who are failing to convey the fact that the election pits a normal politician with normal political failings against an ignorant, bigoted, pathologically dishonest authoritarian."



Shaw Kenawe said...



Ducky,

Hillary showed the country that she has genuine foreign policy and domestic policy knowledge, and Trump showed the country that he's stark raving crazy. And only fellow mad men and women will vote for him for president.

What about Trump's "To the victor goes the spoils" policy vis-a-vis Iraqi oil. Do you think Trump ever studied how the United States behaved toward Japan after our occupying forces landed on the islands after the war? Trump is an ignorant, arrogant fool who knows nothing about anything except building golf courses, casinos, and judging beauty pageants.

Clearwater, Florida said...



Matt Lauer = Amateur Hour

Dave Miller said...

Clearwater... That's Amateur Hauer...

Anonymous said...



What is, or who is Aleppo?

Kevin Robbins said...

Here's a link I got from Rude Pundit. Lt. Gen Hertling doesn't quite call Trump a moron. How he avoids it speaks to training, I suppose.

Rational Nation USA said...

fact checked

Aleppo

Rational Nation USA said...


Aleppo


Correct link.

Anonymous said...



Did you forward that link to Gary Johnson.