Wednesday, January 15, 2020
More evidence on Trump's crimes revealed.
Former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch is calling for an investigation into “what happened” after newly released evidence suggested that Trump officials were monitoring her movements before Rudy Giuliani and allies pushed her out of her role.
Why were they monitoring her?
The newly released evidence shows that the president's personal lawyer wanted Yovanovitch out of the way so that Trump could proceed with his crimes.
Documents Provide New Details of Trump’s Pressure Campaign on Ukraine
The dozens of pages of notes, text messages and other records lay out work conducted by Rudolph W. Giuliani and an associate on behalf of the president.
"...dozens of pages of notes, text messages and other records lay out work conducted by Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, and his associate Lev Parnas on behalf of the president. They include handwritten notes scrawled on a sheet of hotel paper at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that mention getting President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to announce an investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son.
House Democrats released the records even as Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced a Wednesday vote to name House prosecutors and send the articles of impeachment against Mr. Trump to the Senate to begin the trial. The material undergirds the accusations against Mr. Trump, and highlights how much is still to be learned about the scope of a scheme that the impeachment charges call a blatant effort to solicit foreign help in the 2020 election.
The documents, provided by Mr. Parnas, contain a series of exchanges between him and a Ukrainian prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, who was helping Mr. Giuliani unearth damaging information about the Bidens."
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Is it possible that this is all "regular" behind the scenes stuff all presidents have engaged in for years? Is it possible we are seeing all of this because of better reporting, the speed at which news can travel and more open societies?
I hope and pray that is not true and that truly Pres Trump is an outlier, but I confess, somedays I wonder.
Now, even if what I posited is true, Trump is still verifiably a terrible person, with few, if any redeeming qualities for a larger society.
What character trait of Pres Trump as to how he relates to people, would any parent want their kids to emulate?
Charlie Pierce, Esquire:
The House dumps a whole lot of damning evidence that Trump associates Parnas, Rudy Giuliani, and a guy named Robert Hyde had an ominous plan for Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.
Amb. Yovanovitch was told to leave immediately for her safety, which leads one to assume "for her safety" meant "for her life." This Hyde character, along with Trump's personal lawyer, appears to have been plotting something nefarious and criminal against Amb. Yovanovitch.
We're finding these things out because Parnas was stopped from fleeing the country.
To answer your question, Dave: Not in my wildest imaginings would I ever think that Barack Obama would conspire to have an American ambassador "go through some things," and tell that to a foreign leader that he hoped would help him with his re-election by extorting that leader.
President Obama was not perfect and made errors of judgement that he has said he regrets, but even on his worst day as POTUS, he was never as dirty and thuggish as the guy who succeeded him. And EVERYONE knows that. Even Trump's cultists.
Today, every headline should be screaming, every news show should start with
"A HIT ON AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR WAS BEING DISCUSSED BY PEOPLE IN TRUMP"S CIRCLE". There is no other way to interpret those texts. Any legal action taken in response would invite discovery.
Dave How are you?
Rev, Anyone with the power of the president has their corrupt side. LBJ, JFK, BHO, BJC and even Saint Reagan. They all were corrupted by power and did a lot of things that were not honest. If money corrupts, power is the ultimate corrupting factor and you don't get more power than the pres. Trump follows in the others shoes except he is corrupted by ego not money but he is no worse than the others he is just reported on more than the others. Two things trump faces that the others did not. He is despised by the press who form the opinions of most Americans both good and bad. He lives in the era of social media which is to his demise.
It is hard to face for some but his upsetting the anointed one has many only seeking revenge and they will spend three years and millions of dollars to come up with something. He gave them a target and madam botox and her lemmings shot at it. Now we will see where it goes from here.
It is interest to read how skudrunner dismisses the increasing irrefutable evidence of Trump's criminal activity in asking a foreign leader to help him get re-elected.
Mr. Parnas has fingered Trump and provided the evidence of his crimes. All skud does is say that other presidents were corrupted by power and then ignores the MOST corrupt individual to ever sit in the Oval Office.
BTW, for the record. Barack Obama had the cleanest administration in modern history. Skud likes to lie about it and smear Mr. Obama. But it is a damn lie. No one was indicted or sent to jail who was close to President Obama.
Look at the people who were close to Trump: They're in jail or waiting to be sentenced. Skud ignores those facts and tries to convince himself that Mr. Obama was just as bad.
This is what happens to poor souls who allow themselves to be caught up in a cult. And skud is definitely one of them.
Ms Shaw, A lot depends on what you consider a crime. Rape, murder, robbery, aiding in the selling of firearms that result in murder are crimes but asking for a favor not so much. Trump was stupid to do that but the dems were looking for something and he provided it. It only took three years and millions of taxpeyer dollars to avenge the -H- loss to a orange hair buffoon but the dems got their revenge.
Now maybe we can go back to enjoying the robust economy after eight years of dismal growth and zero wage increases.
Skud, it is not up to me to consider what crime Trump committed, the House of Representatives did that under the laws of our Constitution.
Asking a foreign country to help him get re-elected is a dirty thing to do and falls under high crimes and misdemeanors.
Trump has also obstructed justice.
The fact that you continue to dismiss Trump's execrable behaviors and crimes against the United States Constitution shows me and others here that the only thing that seems to matter with you and those who continue to support Trump is loyalty to a political party and not to the United States.
Trump was known by everyone in Manhattan as a thug, cheat, and liar. What made you and others who voted for him think those qualities would make for a great president?
It's always party over country with you guys.
Wages?
Trump said, "After years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages."
By the most common measure, wages did go up for the first three quarters of Trump’s presidency, but they fell in the fourth, wiping out all the gains on his watch and then some. And even if you ignore this fourth quarter figure as a blip, his assertion ignores that wages — by two different measurements — began their climb during the final years of Obama’s presidency.
We rate his statement Mostly False. PolitiFact.
Shaw... I'm good. I am on my way back from a time up in the mountains of Southern Mexico. I direct a traveling medical clinic through my Mexican Non-Profit that tries to give access to quality health and dental care to marginalized indigenous people in the state of Oaxaca. Our 3 day clinic treated almost 600 people.
Thanks for asking...
Well Skud... "Rape, murder, robbery" are indeed crimes. Selling firearms that result in the death of another, sometimes.
I'm doubting you can cite any president who has been proven to be guilty of any of those crimes during our lifetimes.
You're parroting the conservative viewpoint... Trump was essentially dumb enough to get caught. Hard to believe because he's said many times he's stable genius. Also announced today was the fact that Pres Trump broke the law by withholding aid to Ukraine.
Now, I think people can disagree with whether or not a law is a good law. But as long as it is on the books, a President, and any other public official who pledges to uphold the laws of our country, must obey them. Or be held in contempt, or possible impeached.
President Trump has in the past said many of our laws are stupid. That may be, but he cannot just decide to ignore them and not expect to be held accountable.
Our current president has shown a consistent disregard for the law, and the rights of the co-equal branch of government to constrain or provide oversight of both his personal actions and those of his Admin.
Everyday he remains, is a further stain not just on the US, but democracy as a whole and makes the world less safe, Wall Street be da*#>d.
Always convenient to say Wall Street be da*#>d when you are either rich or cared for by the government. Some of us have worked very hard to achieve a good life and Wall Street helps with that goal.
I applaud you for your charity work but I would think there are plenty of people in this country who could use assistance. I never did understand giving a tax deduction to charities who use it for a foreign country.
Back to the constitutionality of what trump did. As many things in the law the interpretation of the law is subject to interpretation. It can be interpreted that he asked to investigate a crime and it was not done so it is up to interpretation as to whether a crime was committed. It would probably help if people accusing on this site actually read the constitution instead of following MSDNC talking points.
The GAO has said that Trump broke the law. There's no interpretation on that.
You still going to defend Trump breaking the law. He took an oath of office to "preserve, protect, and defend" the Constitution. Instead he spit on it. Where do you stand on this?
Did he receive anything, the answer is no therefore although he may have intended to receive something he didn't so what law did he break.
I cannot see how he will win the next election and if the republicans don't replace him the party of AOC will win.
Ah so if one attempts a crime but doesn't actually manage to complete it, there is no crime? Is that the newest defense you have for the Impeached Blob, Skid? Plenty of attempted bank robbers rotting in jail are on the edge of their bunks waiting to hear your answer.
Blueballs, In a bank robbery they demand something be given to them most times with a weapon. I don't believe trump demanded anything he just asked for a favor and didn't point a gun at the phone nor, from what has been written, did he say if you do XX you will get YY. It is so trivial what he is alleged to have done but the democrats won their three year battle now they need to do something else for the remainder of his term like work for the American people. I know that is a stretch but maybe they can do something except add to the street resident population and fill the cities, schools and hospitals with illegals.
Skud, you're totally wrong and naive. Trump withheld Congressionally authorized funds for Ukraine, and at that time Ukraine was fighting the Russians. The POTUS had no right to withhold those funds, therefore, he broke the law. He didn't "receive" what he wanted BECAUSE HE WAS CAUGHT! If the whistleblower hadn't reported Trump's crimes, be assured Trump, the crook, would have continued to withhold those funds until he squeezed Ukraine for what he wanted -- dirt on the Bidens to help him get re-elected. Quid pro quo.
Now we know from Parnas, who was in on the whole illegal scheme up to his eyebrows, that part of Trump's dirty work was to get rid of Amb. Yovanovich (an honest, trutworthy woman) and we've learned that she believed her life was in danger. Evidence is surfacing that some of Trump's goons may have even plotted to "off" her. How's that make you feel? Proud?
You can go on defending a lying, cheating crook, but it doesn't change the facts that Trump is a lawless scheming dirtbag. And you defend that in a president.
Proud of yourself?
What you're all talking about is the "Law of Attempts" when someone contemplates a crime, or is unsuccessful in carrying it out, for some reason.
The law has landed on both sides of this, thus the bank robber analogy that was used in the impeachment hearings.
Law professor Jonathan Turley has a great article about this circulating now. He was a GOP supporting witness at the hearings. Interestingly, he advocates for more witnesses at Trumps trial.
Skud... as a man of faith, I can't explain why God calls some to serve others in far away lands. He just does. Rightly, religious work, and humanitarian aid, should know no borders. It has long been US policy to encourage NGO's and Orgs like mine, to provide us the small benefit of tax exemption so as to off load a level of practical diplomacy to the private sector. In my opinion, it's a net plus for the US and a bargain.
Yeah, what she said... :)
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