Paul Revere by Cyrus Dallin, North End, Boston

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General John Kelly: "He said that, in his opinion, Mr. Trump met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law."

Saturday, January 8, 2011

TRAGEDY IN TUCSON, ARIZONA

UPDATE II:

A commenter at the DU blog asked this very interesting question:

"...how rarely ANYONE actually takes a shot at a member of Congress. Coincidence? Probably not.


Would it have been acceptable if Palin had posted a picture of the White House with a rifle sight superimposed on her web site? So why was this?"

Good question.  Why is it okay for Palin to put a crosshair gunsight on Congressmen and Congresswomen she wants defeated, but that very same graphic on the White House for defeating the president would get her a visit from the Secret Service?



UPDATE I:  from the NYTimes:

"While the exact motivations of the suspect in the shootings remained unclear, an Internet site tied to the man, Jared Lee Loughner, contained antigovernment ramblings. And regardless of what led to the episode, it quickly focused attention on the degree to which inflammatory language, threats and implicit instigations to violence have become a steady undercurrent in the nation’s political culture.



Clarence W. Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff, seemed to capture the mood of the day at an evening news conference when he said it was time for the country to 'do a little soul-searching.'


'It’s not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included,' Sheriff Dupnik said. 'That’s the sad thing about what’s going on in America: pretty soon we’re not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people willing to subject themselves to serve in public office.' ”



From yesterday:



Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday and an unknown number of others were wounded when an assailant opened fire in an area where the lawmaker was meeting with constituents, officials said.





There were varying accounts on Giffords' condition, but a hospital spokesman said the Democrat was in critical condition. An aide to the Democrat was killed. An unknown number of others was injured, officials officials said, including additional aides to the lawmaker.






Congressional officials said one of the victims died soon after the attack, and others were taken to a nearby hospital. The officials said the wounded included some of Gifford's aides who were with her at the time.


LATEST REPORTS ARE THAT A YOUNG CHILD, 9 YEARS OLD, WAS AMONG THOSE WHO WERE KILLED AS WELL AS A FEDERAL JUDGE, John Roll.

"Federal Judge John Roll was shot and killed in this morning's attack in Tucson. He had earlier been under protective custody because of threats tied to case tied to the illegal immigration issue in the state."
 
A SPOKESMAN FROM THE HOSPITAL SAID HE IS OPTIMISTIC ABOUT REP. GIFFORD'S RECOVERY.

THE ASSAILANT IS IN CUSTODY.  HE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS JARED LAUGHNER, A 22-YEAR OLD AMERICAN.

LAUGHNER'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL. (h/t TPM)

Her father Spencer Giffords, 75, wept when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.



"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."

 FROM ANDREW SULLIVAN'S DAILY DISH:

Giffords, whom I had not noticed before, seems remarkably calm, reasoned, sane and public-spirited. She did not try to exploit the angry right's attacks on her, but she did rightly note them. What we're seeing here is an almost perfect case of foresight: a public figure specifically stargeted rhetorically in ways that seemed to encourage violence, several incidents that prove the threat was real, at-the-time warnings of the dangers of this, and a stirring refusal of Giffords to be intimidated.


That she was at the Safeway today is a great testimony to her character and to core values of democratic accountability. She warned us. We carried on. And no-permit gun rights

A gun had appeared at one of her Safeway appearances before. From a Gail Collins column:


Giffords warned of this:


"They really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up, and, you know, even things for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. When people do that, you gotta realize there's consequences to that action."


Various Palin sites are frantically removing various incendiary materials - which is both gratifying, but also, it seems to me, an acknowledgment of previous rhetorical excess. TakeBackThe20.com is in meltdown, images like these are being removed ASAP, and Palin's Facebook page simply cannot cope with the number of commenters blasting her."

FLASHBACK:

Back in June 2010, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's (D-AZ) Republican opponent Jesse Kelly had an event at which voters could shoot an assault rifle with the candidate, promoted as thus:



Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.

13 comments:

Charlene said...

Rep. Gifford commented on MSNBC when the Palin site was pu up with the targets over Congressional Districts in the country including hers. I think that's where she made that prediction.

I've already seen a blogger defending Tea Party "activists" and Mrs. Palin. These groups and peoples' hate speech is the kind of thing crazies latch on and use as reason in killing. This is American home grown terrorism at its worst.

Sue said...

wow what a day! I posted the sheriffs words and got blasted by Linda for blaming conservatives for the shootings! It's time for Linda and her friends to face facts, her idols are inciting anti-government violence, that is a fact!

PG at AS is calling the shooter a liberal, like that makes a difference. She is the first to shove down her readers throats the violence is surely coming from lefties, how hilarious is that!

(O)CT(O)PUS said...

Let us not forget about the 9-year old child who died today. Her name is Christina Taylor Green, who had just been elected to the student council of her school. According to a Twiiter account, Christina was featured in a book, Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11.

Christina Taylor Green, 2001 - 2011. R.I.P.

Leslie Parsley said...

I think we should remember each and everyone of them. This is not just a tragedy, it's domestic terrorism.

dmarks said...

Palin's visual target-sight metaphor is simply indefensible.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"Tucson Tea Party founder tells Talking Points Memo that her group is "deeply saddened" by today's shooting spree but will not tone down its rhetoric."

Because even though a mentally disturbed individual felt empowered to commit the atrocity in Tucson, that isn't enough, according to the Tucson Tea Party, to find ways, other than "second amendment threats" and "crosshair gunsight" metaphors to deal with their political opponents.

Nice going Tucson Tea Party.

Americans will remember your callous and wholly inapproriate response to this American tragedy.

libhom said...

If a middle class Green or Democrat had made a poster of the same kind as Sarah Palins but with Republicans on it, that person would already be in prison.

billy pilgrim said...

as the chasm between the haves and the have nots widens i think this sort of thing will become more frequent. having mentally unbalanced disenfranchised people out there with access to almost unlimited firepower is a recipe for disaster.

and of course clever people like sarah palin will exploit the mentally weak with false promises and insane rhetoric.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Palin's defenders are all over the internet saying she has no responsibility in any of this.

But as one of America's most prominent political figures, she has to think about the message she broadcast to her followers--the message that showed crosshair gunsights on the names of politicians she said had to be taken out.

Palin had the choice to NOT use such violent rhetoric. It was her choice to play the macho politician and promote inappropriate visuals in her campaign to defeat her political opponents.

She has to live with her indirect contribution to this tragedy.

Infidel753 said...

I don't claim to know what's going on in someone else's head, but I'm not totally convinced that Palin and some of the other purveyors of violent rhetoric haven't been intending to incite actual violence. Aside from the famous gunsight map, she's used gun-oriented metaphors so often that she must have known someone might take it as encouragement to actually act. Yet she kept on doing it.

Ultimately, though, only one person is responsible for the actions of Jared Loughner, and that person is Jared Loughner.

TAO said...

I have been angry for a long time and I quit blogging rather than contiinue with the same ol' stupid left vs right blog posts....

But after this incident I have started up DEMOCRACY CENTRAL again and I am going to reach out to conservatives and to people who do not blog politically.....

Its time to change.

http://democracycentral.ning.com/

Its time to focus on ideas rather than ideology....because ideology kills

dmarks said...

Shaw said:

"Palin's defenders are all over the internet saying she has no responsibility in any of this."

When you get down to the facts, it's really unknown if she has any responsbility whatsoever. I guess we will find out whether her web site influenced the murderer.

Regardless, there is no excuse for the call for violence in her web site. It should be changed out of general principles.

dmarks said...

billy said: "as the chasm between the haves and the have nots widens i think this sort of thing will become more frequent."

One of the real non-issues of the era. And the gunman was one of the "haves" anyway.