Last night Trump held a rally to overthrow the 2020 election results and install himself as President.
If you read about that in another country you would call it an attempted coup to overthrow a democracy. You would be correct-And That's what it MUST be called!
Donald Trump suffered the worst loss by a first term incumbent since Herbert Hoover in 1932.
88 years ago.
Trump lost by 7 million votes.
He lost 306 electoral votes.
He lost 5 states he won in 2016.
Can we please, for the love of Pete, stop pretending it was even close
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Only a very large minority of America is pretendig and I'm fairly certain they aren't lisening. Nor will they ever.
BREAKING: Rudy Ghouliani has the ‘Rona.
And he was seen maskless at Michigan hearings and other gatherings all last week.
He's going to act crazy all the way up to the end. And maybe past then too.
RN They’re cultists, and Trump’s their cult leader. There’s no reasoning with irrational cultists.
Mike, Trump’s already destroying presidential docs, according to people inside the WH. And he’s apparently going to slash and burn all he can to make the Biden presidency that much harder than it certainly will be while Moscow Mitch is still senate leader. Trump is a destroyer. His aim to take everything down with him.
Another country? Just imagine if a black man, after getting creamed in an election called the entire exercise fraudulent and rigged, without any provable evidence. The GOP would be ripping him apart limb by limb, probably quartered on horses. If they got to him before he was lynched.
Conservatives would call him a traitor, treasonous and be screaming for his to be executed by firing squad.
But now?
A sitting US President calls and demands a state legislature and governor overturn the will of the people in an election his own Department of Justice investigated and found little or now fraud. An election the Republican Governor and Sec of State of Georgia found was fair, free of fraud and accurate, after a hand vote by vote recount. An election the president lost... by 7 million votes!
Never, never have we seen such action by a president and/or a political party in the history of our country.
And yet not a single GOP US Senator or other Republican leader will tell President Trump publicly to sit down, shut up and congratulate the winner, Joe Biden. For the good of the republic.
Want to understand the logic and mentality of the Trumpistas? Read this comment talking about the elections this year...
"The theft of the election of 2020 was an attack on the election of 2016. A violent theft. The Covid was a tool to that end. A fraud. You MUST come to that conclusion to win. Any move by this president [Trump] and his supporters to deflect that attack, that theft, is justified. Anyone I find in my house robbing me and threatening my freedom can be justifiably shot and killed. How is this different? If this president refuses to leave office, prosecutes the enemy, there must be strong resolve to support him."
By any means necessary. That's what they are arguing should be done. But they would never support that kind of action from a black man. They basically tried to burn MLK at the stake for simply protesting peacefully.
This is where we are as a country right now.
The Dems are not perfect, not by a long shot. Pres Obama made plenty of mistakes and I am sure Biden will too. But they would never call into question the validity of an election their own administration had overseen. Because they believe in the will of the people.
Something Donald Trump, in true American style, only accepts if that will is what he wants.
A wise young man (my youngest son) once said to me during a political conversation when times were more normal... "dad, has there ever been a great and powerful nation in tbe history of the world that retained power and greatness."
I replied "no, all great and powerful nation states and empires attaied the heights of glory and power and then receeded and become just another one of many."
My sons response. "Well dad what makes you thnk the USA will be ant different?"
We may very well be on the runway approaching take off to that ending. And, I guess we can thank djt. Trumpism, and the gop if it does go down that way.
News, and footage posted by the offending people, comes today from Michigan where armed protestors gathered outside the home of the Secretary of State, intimidating her so she will not certify the results of the November election.
Again, imagine this was Alabama and a black president, like Barack Obama was sitting by doing nothing. Republicans would be rightly up in arms, people of that state would be calling for action, black ppl across the state would be in their homes scared to be in public.
So what are Republicans doing to tamp down this nascent violence we are seeing in Michigan?
Nothing.
And they call themselves the true patriots.
Rev, "They basically tried to burn MLK at the stake for simply protesting peacefully."
Wasn't that george wallace who in fact was a democrat.
Election is over and trump lost. I don't see him just fading into the sunset because ego will not allow him to do that. As long as joey remains physically healthy and he is well protected from those around him the country will be fine. After all he has done nothing in 47 years so we can't expect that to change. He has a plan and that includes channeling obama because he was a great second fiddle who never did anything except insert foot in mouth. I wish him four years of exceptional health and socially distance from harris and pelosi.
There you go again, skud. Yes. We who read history know that about Wallace. I'm wondering if you know this:
"The American Independent Party was formed by Wallace, whose pro-segregation policies as governor had been rejected by the mainstream of the Democratic Party. In 1968 he ran on the idea that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two major parties".
Whether Wallace was a segregationist Democrat, or an American Independent Party segregationist is irrelevant. What he never stopped being was a son of the South. His views on segregation were baked into his nature by the southern anti-black culture he grew up in, and it doesn't matter a whit which party he belonged to. He brought his racist segregation ethos to whichever party he chose to flip to.
The text below sounds like it could have been written today. Just replace Wallace's name for Trump's. (What's so appallingly hypocritical, is that the so-called working-class people who denigrate the "coastal elites," have put their loyalty and allegiance in the most elite of elite coastal elites, Donald J. Trump. For who is more elite than a guy who owns his own jet and lived in a golden tower with golden toilets for his prodigious posterior to sit on while tweeting out his fake understanding of the working poor?
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On October 24, 1968, Wallace spoke at Madison Square Garden before "the largest political rally held in New York City since Franklin Roosevelt had denounced the forces of 'organized money' from the same stage in 1936". An overflow crowd of 20,000 packed the Garden while pro- and anti-Wallace protesters clashed with more than 1,000 police across the street. In a now-famous reference to a protester who had lain down in front of Lyndon B. Johnson's limousine the year before, Wallace stated, "I tell you when November comes, the first time they lie down in front of my limousine it'll be the last one they ever lay down in front of; their day is over!
Richard Strout, the influential columnist for the New Republic, sat in an upper balcony. For more than forty years, he had reported on the American political scene, under the by-line "T.R.B. from Washington," but nothing had prepared him for the spectacle he encountered at the Garden that night.
"There is menace in the blood shout of the crowds," he wrote his readers. "You feel you have known this somewhere; never again will you read about Berlin in the 30s without remembering this wild confrontation here of two irrational forces." The American "sickness" had been localized in the person of George Wallace, the "ablest demagogue of our time, with a voice of venom and a gut knowledge of the prejudices of the low-income class." He would not win, said Strout, and his strength was declining, "but sympathy for him is another matter.
Donald J. Trump: "...the ablest demagogue of our time..."
Actually Skud, while Wallace was a Dem, he was a racist conservative. Don't take it from me, take it from Pat Buchanan, former speechwriter for Pres Nixon. Buchanan stated, and I quote, "those Wallace voters were our voters, Nixon voters."
A GOP speechwriter, seeing the change in America as Dems moved to leave their racist past behind them, didn't lament that the racists would be without a party, he, and the GOP welcomed them.
So while yes, Wallace was a Dem, he was jettisoned and publicly disavowed by the party for his racist views. As he should have been. There was no good ppl on both sides talk at all. The Dems dropped him and ultimately every other racist Dem still serving in the south made their way to the GOP.
Dave, skud never lets a comment go by without reminding people that the Jim Crow Southerners were Democrats. And that's true. What skud NEVER mentions, EVER, is that the Democratic Party evolved and changed and kicked out the racist conservative southern Democrats! And as you correctly pointed out, those racist conservative southern Democrats found a welcome home in the GOP. There's a reason skud never mentions this fact: It destroys his premise that the "Democrat" Party is actually the real party of racists.
Another trope that skud and his pals on the Mother Ship constantly repeat is that the Democratic Party keeps African-Americans "on the plantation," thereby reducing an entire group Americans of not having the intelligence to think for themselves and discover they're being used by the Democrats. That, of course, is patronizing, and shall we say racist?
I might add that it's the GOP that went after the Voting Rights Act and the GOP governors who've made it more and more difficult for people of color to vote.
And they claim it's the Democrats who keep A.A.s on the plantation?
Ms Shaw, We are both on the right side of this. Democrats created Jim Crowe and then they changed to republicans. I don't believe you are correct that the democrat party Kicked out the conservatives, I believe they chose to leave.
The democrat party has indeed evolved as has the republican party. The republican party was the party of the white middle class who was in favor of limited government. They have evolved to the party of acceptance for all and believing they should determine social norms through government intervention.
The democrat party was once the party of the working class. They have evolved to the party of the elite rich who makes a good show of supporting the poor while doing nothing but support the rich.
Both party's are headed by corrupt elite politicians who represent themselves and no one else.
Question for you is how has the GOP made it more difficult for minorities to vote? If you mean underrepresented groups look at the Native American who is being ignored by all parties.
Skud asked...
"Question for you is how has the GOP made it more difficult for minorities to vote?"
In Kansas, Republican leaders moved the one one polling place in now Hispanic Dodge City, outside of town where people without car cannot get to. Now instead of being able to walk to their polling place, Dodge City residents, over 60% Hispanic, must figure out a way to get to the rural part of the state, to an area not served by public transportation. Tell us why Skud, Kansas Republicans, if they wanted to service their rural voters, chose not to add an additional polling place in the rural places and instead took the only voting location from the city and moved to an area where poorer, minority voters would struggle to access?
I guess you could argue that they weren't looking for way to disenfranchise minority voters, but saying they were too stupid to consider that is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Why is it Skud that in Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina, all states with significant black populations, and GOP leaders in statehouses, we have seen a huge rise in the number of voters per polling place, while those polling places have been cut, hours reduced and early voting curtailed, all in the aftermath of the "Shelby" decision that gutted the Voting Rights Act?
Again, I guess one could argue that the mostly GOP politicians simply are not considering race as they close polling places in minority areas, but since most of this happened post Shelby which gave them permission to do so without federal oversight, it's a stretch, at least in my opinion.
I could go on, but particularly in the south, the history is not good. Conservatives, yes Democrats before the Johnson Admin and the GOP now, have worked for years not to expand the vote and make it easier for people to exercise their franchise, but harder.
Just ask yourself this... When was the last time a southern GOP Senator or Legislator advanced legislation to expand or make voting more accessible?
Dave and skud
This is from the Texas Tribune:
“Texas maintains an in-person voter registration deadline 30 days prior to Election Day, has reduced the number of polling stations in some parts of the state by more than 50% and has the most restrictive pre-registration law in the country, according to the analysis.”
States at the top of the list — where it’s easiest to vote — have voting conveniences that aren’t available here, like online voter registration, automatic voter registration and allowing voters to register as late as Election Day. (The Texas deadline was Oct. 5.)
Some have universal mail-in voting, which the study considers a hallmark of a state where it’s easy to vote. In Texas, voting by mail is only available to people ages 65 and older, to eligible voters confined to jail, for voters who are out of their county of residence during voting, and for voters who cite a disability that prevents them from safely going to the polls.
And higher-rated states require only a signature for in-person voting, instead of tight voter photo identification laws like the one in Texas.
Texas has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country, turning out 45.6% of its population of eligible voters in 2018, compared with a national average of 49.4%, according to the United States Election Project. In the last presidential race, in 2016, turnout was 51.4% of the state’s eligible voters, a number that includes adults eligible to vote whether they registered or not. The national average was 60.1%.
The cost-of-voting index is an update of a study that includes indexes for elections back to 1996. In 2016, Texas was fifth from the bottom of the list, in company with Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia and Mississippi. This time around, Texas is behind every other state, in the bottom of the barrel with Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi and Tennessee.
Maybe the low turnout in Texas is related to the state’s restrictive voting laws. Maybe eligible adults in Texas are less interested in voting, and the state’s voting laws are just an excuse for the low civic engagement.
There’s a way to find out, if state lawmakers’ goal is to get more Texans voting. If they wanted more people to vote, they’d make it easier.
I have yet to understand why it is so terrible to require people to present identification to vote. Cash a check, Buy a pint, present ID, drive present ID, by a gun present ID, vote and no ID required.
Texas is comprised, or was before the California/NY invasion, of people who are proud of their state and it is The Republic of Texas. I know to a lot of coasties especially colonists it is just a back woods bunch of working people but pride runs deep.
Here are some answers to your questions, skud:
Voter ID Laws Deprive Many Americans of the Right to Vote
Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.
Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.
Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.
The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.
Voter ID Laws Reduce Voter Turnout. A 2014 GAO study found that strict photo ID laws reduce turnout by 2-3 percentage points,4 which can translate into tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.
Not every American lives in an urban area. Texas is a huge state. Many people, poor and under-served people, live miles and miles away from where they can obtain paper work for an ID required by the state.
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Voter ID Laws Are Discriminatory
Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.
The Trumpublican Party's goal is to reduce the possibility of minorities voting. Trumpublicans know they will continue to lose elections if more and more minorities have access to the vote.
Trump lost the popular vote TWICE. In 2016 by 3 million; in 2020 by 7 million -- the only incumbent to lose so overwhelmingly in 80+ years.
Trump and his cultists don't deal in reality. They chase fake stories about suitcases full of ballots and other stories that have no basis in fact in order to confirm their biases and rumors. Trump has lost all but one court case -- 40+ in trying to overturn the election.
Republican secretaries of state, Republican governors, Trump's own AG have all said THERE WAS NO WIDESPREAD FRAUD. NONE. NADA. NIENTE.
Even the Trump administration's cyber chief said 2020 was THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN HISTORY. And Trump fired him!
What will it take for Trump supporters to see reality? The truth? TRUMP LOST; JOE BIDEN WON!
REALITY.
Skud... regarding Voter ID...
Here are a few issues for folks...
Aunt Tilly is 75 years old, has never driven, is known by everyone in town, including the mid wife who brought her into the world. She has no ID cause she never, in backwoods Arkansas needed one. Her husband did everything for her. He's gone now and she's being taken care of by her kids. She has no birth cert because for years they didn't issue those to black folks.
Little Johnny grew up in California but goes to school in Alabama. He lives on campus but can't use his student ID to vote in Alabama, where he wants to live, because his Drivers license is from CA. He also can't get a DL in the state because the law won't allow out of state students to become residents, lest they lose fees for the school.
In Michigan it's another story, in New York, yet another.
If you could have a federal standard, that every state would have to follow, the Dems would say yes in a minute. But conservatives would balk that it is unconstitutional and more control from DC.
I'd advocate this...
A single federal ID card for everyone who registers to vote. States could issue them now, based on Federal guidelines. Everyone born before 1960 has a waiver from needing to have them. This should allow folks who might not have access to the documents needed to still vote.
In say 20 years... we'll be at almost 100%.
But again, the GOP will never go for it.
Rev, So aunt tilly has someone who is well over 100 who will vouch for her, impressive. Funny, I actually did have an Aunt Tilly, a name you don't hear often.
The remainder are covered by absentee ballot to vote but that does require them to request it which appears to be more than they want to do.
Federal ID is a great idea. That way the federal government will have federal records of everyone who wants to vote. The dems are the ones who oppose presenting an ID to vote so your premise of dems supporting it in a minute is incorrect. Their proposal is to send out millions of unsolicited ballots with the hopes that their base will mail it back.
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