(I was having a day-off from news. I just checked my Comment Moderation and found what Dave left. I checked it out and THIS!:)
‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor
President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.
The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”
Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.
Here's Donald Trump pressuring GA's SoS Raffensperger to commit a crime:
"The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” he said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated... So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state... There’s no way I lost Georgia... There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
Trump heard on tape urging Georgia officials to "find" enough votes to overturn presidential results
Carl Bernstein on
@CNN
calling out Trump, saying this tape is far worse than Watergate, and calls out McConnell and McCarthy for enabling authoritarianism adding this could spell the end of the Republican Party.
The media will come out with their softened headlines about how Trump attempted to ‘pressure’ the GA SoS.
Trump is done. I was so afraid of him before, but not any more, not after hearing this. He is actually begging. He sounds so weak and pathetic, He didn’t pressure him. He threatened him. The POTUS used his position & power to threaten another government official in a pursuit to overthrow democracy.
Trump's begging is cringe-worthy.
He is done, he is a losing loser who lost and he sounds exactly like a desperate, weak loser.
He is BEGGING.
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Since when in America does a losing politician "find" votes to overturn election results? This president is not only openly engaging in bribery but also in criminal behavior. Are Republicans really okay with what this president is demanding?
The man's deranged.
Yes Anon... they are.
This comment was posted below by RN, and I think it should go under this post as well:
Rational Nation USA said...
Yup, a lying vindictive POS known throughout the world as nothing but a goddamn source of pure evil. Frankly the son-of-a-bitch deserves to rot in a federal penitentiary for his goddamn sedition. In ANY other era the asshole would have been tried for treason and then died before a firing squad. It's too bad our nation has lost its balls as well as its good sense. It would rather lose its freedoms and liberties to the likes of An Obese Orange Shit.
Read the transcript and hear the audio of Trump's seditious call.
It is shameful. No matter your political philosophy, is this the kind of immoral, criminal person that should be our President for another 4 years? I think the answer is clearly “NO.”
'When Georgia SoS Brad Raffensperger tells Trump that he (Trump) is getting inaccurate information about the election in Georgia from social media, Trump replies, "This isn't social media [that I'm getting this information from], it's *Trump* media."
Raffensperger tells Trump that Georgia law enforcement *and the FBI* have done forensic work to establish that Trump's data is wrong. Trump says law enforcement is either "dishonest or incompetent" and cites "Trump media." If you think the law says this is okay, you're wrong."
John Harwood
@JohnJHarwood
if you wonder why Trump can’t/won’t stop resisting his defeat,
remember:
today he is President of the United States, the most powerful human being on earth
in 18 days, he will be an obese,
74-year-old private citizen with big legal and financial problems.
And I for one am pulling hard for the 74 year old Obese Orange Shit to suffocate from his looming financial disasters. All of his own incompetent making. When the sledge hammer finally falls on trump it will be oh so terrific to see the Orange Bastard crushed under the weight of his own corruption and dishonesty. Poetic Justice will be just so sweet.
Trump continues to trash America and all the structures of our democracy and the utter morons who follow him swoon and drool with ever lie he tells. The entire fiasco is disgusting.
So... I've held some affinity for at least Mitt Romney. Maybe we could add Murkowski and Susan Collins to that small group. These three, frequently held out as independent Republicans now have a choice.
Will they take it and save America? Will they disavow the current iteration of the GOP, move into the Independent ranks with Bernie and Angus King and caucus with the Dems?
It's their only choice if they hope to not be tarred with the muck that has become the party of Mitch. And with them, perhaps we can move America forward.
Otherwise, if the GOP gets both seats in GA, we're done.
When a president, a president dang it, can say what Trump said today, and not face any consequences, we're in trouble.
If this doesn't get him thrown in jail, nothing will.
So, American voters can’t be trusted, the poll workers can’t be trusted, the voting technology and machines can’t be trusted, journalists can’t be trusted, heads of election security can’t be trusted, local courts can’t be trusted, appellate courts can’t be trusted and the Supreme Court can’t be trusted...
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Yet Donald Trump, with decades of proven fraud, morally depraved criminal behavior and documented, pathological lying is your only beacon of truth and honesty?
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Roll that around in your brain for 3 seconds and realize how unbelievably stupid that sounds.
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You have talked about nothing but Trump for over 4 years. Are you going to keep talking about Trump after he is gone?
Sadly, I don't expect anything to happen to this slimebag in the WH. Nothing has yet and with the Republiscum still controlling the Senate, I don't think they'll raise much stink about it, especially now with only a few days to go (obstensibly, anyway). I still hold out hope for the SDNY to prosecute the Trump crime family once he's out of office, though.
Good to see you all again. Happy New Year to all. God knows we deserve it after these last 4 terrible years.
Bluebull
Before Donald Trump got himself infected with the coronavirus, he had firmly secured his place as the worst president in American history. Now, after mocking Joe Biden at their first debate for mask wearing, Trump has proved to be a reckless superspreader, risking the lives of donors at a New Jersey fundraiser and the Secret Service agents sworn to protect him by demanding a bizarre motorcade photo op outside of Walter Reed hospital. One aide and associate after another of those exposed to him — and his wife — have fallen victim to the virus. Trump’s coronavirus policy, or rather the absence of it, had already been shown to have morbid consequences.
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RN, you and millions and millions of other Americans are hoping along with you!
anymouse/Bluebull, glad to see you back here. Hope you're well and healthy. You won't see many Republican Congresscritters stand up to Trump because they're as venal and anti-democracy as he is. All we can do now is count the days until the Malignant Narcissist and Wrecker of Democracy is gone, gone, GONE!
Angel charls Trump has been a destructive force to American democracy all during his campaign and presidency. I don't think a foreign enemy could have done as much damage to our democracy as Trump has. He will be remembered in American history as a villainous disruptor.
"Anonymous said...
You have talked about nothing but Trump for over 4 years. Are you going to keep talking about Trump after he is gone?"
Only if Trump continues to be an a$$hole, liar, cheat, and villainous fraud.
Hey anonymous, do you really believe, I mean REALLY believe that The Great Orange Shit attention whore is going to go away after he is forced to leave the Peoples White House. The vile filthy bastard has EVERY intention of continuing his seditous treasonous bullshit going forward. He IS just that damn sick in the head. An, his greatest desire is to DESTROY our democratic republic.
NewsMax says the call was "proper" because there was "serious voter fraud".
Re the Anonymous comment, "You have talked about nothing but Trump for over 4 years. Are you going to keep talking about Trump after he is gone?"... yes. I'll talk about the prosecution, conviction and imprisonment of tRump. Although there will also be talk about the Biden administration.
This is why Trump will not go away as a defeated POTUS. People like this wingnut will never see him for the crook he is:
From the Mother Ship:
“A recording of the one-hour call was released Sunday by the Washington Post. The president is heard pressuring Raffensperger to “find 11,780 votes” that would put him in the lead over President-elect Joe Biden in Georgia, which has already certified its results.”
Sounds AWFUL! Sounds absolutely NIXONIAN! Except here’s Z’s point of view:
Trump as I believe he meant it “Listen, Raffensperger, we know there are about 12,000 votes missing and we know we won the state of Georgia, so you need to find those votes, find the ballots, find the boxes they were hidden in, find the people who were poll watchers and have evidence. Find those votes”
Not “MAKE THOSE VOTES UP” or “FAKE THOSE VOTES” I mean, what does “FIND” mean? Make fake ballots? OF COURSE Trump isn’t stupid.
Am I being Pollyanna again and giving Trump too much credit here?
TELL US!!! WHAT DO YOU THINK?"
WHAT DO YOU THINK?????? The votes in Georgia were certified THREE TIMES! The REPUBLICAN OFFICERS OF THE STATE, the Governor, the Secretary of State have pledged that the counts and certifications are true and legal.
THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES. Trump is trying to commit VOTER FRAUD!!!!
What the person who wrote that childish CRAP won't face is that she supports a anti-democracy crook.
She and he friends are the reason we're in the mess we're in. There's no fixing STUPID!!!!
Ray
Derv, Newsmax is NOT a reputable news source, it is a sycophantic political rag. It's probably the only rag the folks on the Mother Ship read because they're so blind to facts and reality.
I've read the comments there and they're truly astounding in their juvenility and determination to not see Trump for the crook that he is. THEY. ARE. A. LOST. CAUSE!
Trump, again, committed a crime while in office. Only his cultists are unable to see that.
Anonymous asked...
"You have talked about nothing but Trump for over 4 years. Are you going to keep talking about Trump after he is gone?"
How about this... we'll stop talking about Trump, who by the way is still in office, when conservatives and extremists clowns like the ones quoted below just this week, quit talking about President Obama, who left office almost 4 years ago, and Hillary Clinton who was never president.
Is it a deal?
"When the -H- got trounced the leftists wanted to eliminate the EC. The media was all for it and did a PR campaign in favor of eliminating it. Now they win and all you hear about eliminating the EC is crickets."
"Obama’s POS communist mother---adopted Obama out to her then husband Lolo Soetoro changing obama's name to Barry Soetoro and his legal country to Indonesia. Legally, Obama is an Indonesian hence why he spent $2 million trying to hide his long form birth certificate."
Ray, Derv also posted about the Mother Ship's inane excuse for Trump's crimes. Check it out.
Trump wasn't wrong when he told Americans that he could "shoot someone on Fifth Avenue," and his supporters would never dessert him. He's committed several crimes while being POTUS, and his cultists still stick to him and his lies.
At this point, I believe they're in some sort of hallucinatory dream. To not see what Trump did on that phone call with Georgia's officials is to truly be lost to all reason.
As others have said before me, I now understand what happened in Germany in the 1930s.
Ray... those folks even called the call Fake News. Can someone, anyone from the right, give me a definition of "Fake News"? Really, I mean it. Skud? Any of the Anonymous rightwing trolls? Can anyone define it?
But conservatives are not worried about "the call." It was perfect. Some said only snippets were released, throwing the context into question.Except the full transcript and audio of the call is widely available. On Twitter, the extremists have moved into "Kill the messenger" mode, blaming the leaker who they'd be hailing as a patriot if this happened to Biden, Obama or a Dem.
I'm sure today when elected Republicans are asked about this, they will be all Sgt Schultz and know nothing...
Is only defense is that he actually believes what he says. Which IMHO, is an insanity defense.
All of the Trump cultists are lost causes. They are openly flouting sedition and treason and yet they still beat their chests and wave the flag and squawk about "The Constitution", something they clearly know nothing about. Notice too how they are suddenly starting to worry about debt and the deficit again too? Funny how they weren't concerned when billionaires had their hands in the cookie jar but the minute struggling people reach for the jar they snatch it away in horror.
Shaw, I guess you know that my good friend Freethinke passed away a few weeks ago. Sadly, he didn't get to vote before he died. What you probably don't know is that Roger (Freethinke) thought himself the great puppet-master and had convinced some on the right that he was one of them. He'd call me to brag about how he was leading the simpletons (his name for them) on by pretending to hate the left. In reality, he was a died in the wool Democrat who hated Trump for much of his life, having come from NYC. He felt bad about attacking his fellow Democrats but was afraid his secret would get out if he didn't play it to the hilt. He was a very old, very lonely old man and that and his piano were his only relaxation. I don't suspect, now that he's gone, that his secret needs to be kept any longer. We talked daily (often several times a day) and he always ended up laughing like a kid at Disneyland about the crazy crap his 'fellow' right wingers actually believed.
Best wishes and a better New Year to all of us.
Just imagine what the world’s leaders are saying about this dumpster fire.
Our foreign enemies have probably been on the phone with Trump the past week flattering him and telling him he won. He has probably asked for their "assistance."
The worse the message is, the more Trumpanzees attack the messenger. They wouldn't abandon him even if he did shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
Reading those posts, his supporters are claiming that we haven’t heard the whole tape...snippets? The whole hour was recorded! they're a bunch of liars just like the guy they support.
Trumpanzees are absolutely unreachable.
Michael Steele, former RNC chairman:
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@MichaelSteele
: "What you are seeing are Republicans who are sealing themselves inside the tomb that Donald Trump created for them, made for them. There they will lie. The rest of us will move on. The country has to figure out how to move on without them."
Righteous!
Fake News - inaccurate information intentionally manipulated to support the false and dangerous narrative of the conservative/republican party and their sycophants and cultists.
The above definition of fake news seems as near accurate as any I've seen Dave.
Howard, I've read that about Trump -- how he actually BELIEVES his lies to be the truth. That may explain his pathology, but how does it explain his cultists' belief in his lies?
Bluebull
When I was in contact with Roger/Free/Franco years ago, he told me of his friendship with you. But it is astounding to learn that his raging righwinger persona was all a ruse! I mean he never wavered from his rantings about "Marxists and DemonCRATS!" Was it really all a joke on people he claimed were his friends? AOW? Lisa? and all of their commenters??? I'm not questioning what you wrote, I'm just stunned at learning this.
PS. I hope you're doing well. Best of everything in 2021.
Ms Shaw, Did trump ask to make up votes or falsify votes, no. He is convinced he was cheated but that ship has sailed.Is what he did a crime. No more than asking people to move to GA to vote for joey.
Dervie, Newsmax is the rights CNN and MSDNC. Few put any faith in the honesty of CNN or MSDNC and that probably goes for Newsmax as will.
Rev, Fake news is W was not in the navy, DJT colluded with russia, cruella is not a racist and obama earned the nobel. Leslie was almost correct but he should have said any party so I guess he is quoting fake news.
Shaw
No, it's true. He was very dedicated to playing what he saw as his 'role' but he very often went overboard and we often argues over his choice of vulgarity he loved to shock people with. He spoke often of you and quite fondly and many times defended you on his blog, though I confess to not reading his blog often as, even in jest, his character sickened me. He loved to he had some of the right wingnuts so convinced that they'd call him and dote on him. LOL
He saw himself as an entertainer doing political burlesque, as it were. The problem was that no matter how outrageous he acted, some of the moronic single-celled dopes on the right would chime in with 'yeah, I agree.' He'd call me and laugh like crazy over that.
I miss him, though with my failing health I hadn't gotten over to see him in almost a year. I'm now oxygen dependent and stage 4. Still, I'm here and plan on voting blue for as long as possible.
Best
Re: the Mother Ship that can't face that Trump would commit a felony by tampering with an election. She, the captain of the ship fails to note that the votes in Georgia were counted and certified three times ... in a Republican state by a Republican Secretary of State.
She and her pals are the reason we've become like a third world country. To put it simply: they're dumb as shit!
She and her friends ignore this:
Trump asked Raffensperger to adjust Georgia’s vote to give the election to Trump by a single vote, telling him that he could just say that he had recalculated.
They are the people who've done the most harm to America because Trump couldn't have got where he is and stayed there without them.
May they all burn in Hell!
skudrunner wrote: "Ms Shaw, Did trump ask to make up votes or falsify votes, no."
Sorry, skud, but as far as I know, you're not a lawyer, and people who know the law know he broke. Your covering for this corrupt man is shocking! But I guess that's what happens when you're in a cult.
Trump tried to call the Georgia Republicans 18 TIMES! You obviously did not read or hear the transcript because no American with any sense of right from wrong would claim what you did.
Trump is a corrupt and venal man who tried to get the Republican secretary of state of Georgia to accede to his scheme to overthrow a fair and legal election.
Maybe you haven't heard, (or you, like the folks on the Mother Ship ignore), but the Georgia election results were counted and certified THREE TIMES!!! Were all those people who did that cheating? And the courts and people who certified the vote, were they cheaters? But Trump who has a reputation for cheating, lying, and fraud, he's correct!? Do you have any idea how insane you and your fellow cultists sound?
Trump lost more than SIXTY TIMES in court with his claims of fraud. Allegations are NOT evidence.
What Trump did is a crime. An egregious crime by a sitting president. Unprecedented in American history and YOU come here excusing it?
What happened to you and your fellow sailors on the Mother Ship? Did you all lose any sense of honor, truth, and what it means to be an American? Just so you could call that corrupt and dishonorable man "president?"
There is such a thing as truth. Even if you and your friends don't want to accept it.
skud,
What do you think Trump meant when he said this to Raffensperger:
TRUMP:“So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.”
It's difficult to believe you wouldn't know corruption when it stares you in the face. How does one get through life without knowing that?
Skud... your cynicism is showing... you're not credible. You make unsubstantiated charges, offer no evidence to back up your baseless claims, as Shaw noted are not a lawyer so you are unqualified to opine on the legality of what Trump did and you are hopelessly committed to denigrating HRC, President Obama and President Elect Biden, all in your feeble attempts at both siderism.
And it shows even more clearly in the posts you leave elsewhere...
"The election was lost when unsolicited mail in ballots were allowed. The left knew if people had to do something to vote, even request a ballot, trump would win. Trump supporters were enthusiastic and would show up while predator joe supporters we like him, asleep on the couch. Joey favorite show of enthusiasm was this is a big fn deal statement when worthless was signing the disaster known as obummercare.
The election is over and the results are what was determined prior to the voting. Hunter earned his consulting fee for negotiating with china to bring down trump and they did. Now he will rake in millions selling influence to other countries. Twenty days away and russia, NKO, china and iran are all geared up to challenge the US. I am sure this has nothing to do with the election because they don’t want to wake joey up from his couch. All they have to do is pay a consultant to get what they want."
Dave, That text you bolded from skudrunner is just reeking with sour grapes and bitterness. No where does skud ever concede that Trump could possibly be the architect of his own defeat, that Americans just didn't want 4 more years of chaos, humiliation abroad because of Trump's inept diplomacy, and incompetence during the worst pandemic in 100 years. 350,000 Americans dead, and Trump never mentions the raging pandemic.
Nowhere does skud mention Trump's secret Chinese bank accounts. All he does is parrot talking points from Breitbart, Newsmax, and OAN about Hunter Biden, who was not elected president, while Trump actually was the president and hid the fact that he had those secret Chinese bank accounts.
But skud and his friends on the Mother Ship are not honest where Trump is involved and refuse to see him for what he is and what he's done to America. They're cultists, just like the ones who followed Jim Jones and swallowed the poisoned Kool-Aid. They are one and the same kind of people.
So skud, Trump wants Raffensberger to "find" 11,780 to beat Biden's 11,779. Where in hell does Trump think Faffensberger will get those extra 11,780, because the votes in Georgia have been recounted and certified three times. Where are those extra 11,780 going to be found?
They'r NOT. Trump wants Raffensberger to manufacture them and call it a "recalculation." trump wants Raffensberger to commit a crime. What the hell don't you get about that?
"So look," Trump says at another point during the hour-long phone call. "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes."
And skud and his Trumpers see nothing, nothing wrong with that? Jesus H. Christ. No wonder America has turned into a shithole!
For some entertainment, read trumps part of the call in your best Edward G Robinson voice and tack on a “see?” at the end of his sentences. Talk about a mob boss!!
Possumlady
Possumlady, Hilarious!
Here ya go!
LOL!! I was totally thinking of Johnny Rocco!!
Possumlady
Shaw: Newsmax is NOT a reputable news source... It's probably the only rag the folks on the Mother Ship read...
Also One American News and any other propaganda source Dotard considers "Trump media".
Howard Brazee: "Is only defense is that he actually believes what he says. Which IMHO, is an insanity defense".
Or the idiot defense. Quote: "The idiot defense is a satirical term for a legal strategy where a defendant claims innocence by virtue of having been ignorant of facts of which the defendant would normally be expected to be aware".
Ms. Shaw, I have said many times trump was the cause of his defeat, guess you missed that. He will remain the focus of the media for at least a year because the media has already proclaimed hands off biden unless it is good news. Everything bad that happens will be trumps fault and joey will follow his mentors lead and not do a Q&A press conference for 300 days.
Joey has already committed to 100 million trump vaccines administered in the first 100 days. If he misses that the media will blame trump and the way it is going so far he will miss that mark. I do believe joey will follow through with his promise to raise taxes on everyone especially corporations.
Rev, I reread what you copied I said and I thought it was a good post. There was little enthusiasm for joey and the unsolicited mail in ballots made it easy to vote against trump. Trump said find the missing votes not make them up and Ms Shaw you are correct I am not a lawyer but I don't make more of something than exists.
The next few years will not be as colorful as the past four because the media will not make a huge issue of every gaff joey makes. I don't think he will make many because he will give few press conferences and the speeches he gives will be read off a teleprompter. It will be nice to not have all this screaming. I just hope the republicans hold the senate because grid lock is good. We can't afford to have another massive worthless bill that gets passed without anyone being able to see it like good lemmings.
Skud... you reiterated "unsolicited mail in ballots made it easy to vote against trump."
Unsolicited mail in ballots, during a pandemic, in a state unwilling or unable to fund sufficient polling places for residents to safely vote, sheltered from the elements and distanced from people potentially shedding the Covid 19 virus, made is easy, and safe, for everyone in GA to vote.
Why are we not celebrating this?
The state has audited the race and the results. Republican leaders who owe their political career to Trump, certified it as free of fraud. Not small irregularities mind you, but fraud, the intentional act to sway an election.
It sounds like a 100% success to me. Outside of the fact that I would have liked the Dems to have carried the Senate on election night so as to avoid a runoff.
Skud... you said regarding legislation... "We can't afford to have another massive worthless bill that gets passed without anyone being able to see it like good lemmings.
That is how legislation is put together these days. In case you weren't aware, the latest stimulus, approved by the GOP led Senate, including the 2 Senators from GA, was over 5000 pages. Perhaps if you want legislation that is easier to read, you should help elect the Dems in GA, because the two senators there are part of the problem, as evidenced by their party's approved stimulus package.
SKUD: "Trump said find the missing votes not make them up and Ms Shaw you are correct I am not a lawyer but I don't make more of something than exists."
skud, I'm going to say this once again for you, and I'm saying it very, very slowly, since the first time I said it, you obviously didn't process it.
The Republican-led state of Georgia -- the governor, secretary of state, and the guy who runs the elections as part of the office of secretary of state in Georgia -- a guy named Sterling -- all of them have said ALL OF THE VOTES HAVE BEEN COUNTED. DID YOU HEAR THAT? ALL OF THE VOTES HAVE BEEN COUNTED.
THREE TIMES. AND CERTIFIED THREE TIMES.
DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
COUNTED THREE TIMES AND CERTIFIED THREE TIMES BY REPUBLICAN OFFICERS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA, which means, since obviously you can't process that fact, that ALL THE VOTES HAVE ALREADY BEEN COUNTED AND THERE ARE NO MORE TO BE "FOUND." BIDEN WON.
So, where in hell would they find the almost 12,000 votes Trump asked them to "find?"
You need to tell us that.
Where do you think Georgia officials would "find" more votes if all the votes have already been FOUND, counted AND certified AND the officers in charge attested that THERE WAS NO FRAUD?
Please answer that.
What Trump was doing was asking Georgia's Republican secretary of state to commit a crime:
FIND HIM 11,780 votes THAT DO NOT EXIST! And Trump said to the Republican secretary of state of Georgia, "Just say you recalculated them."
You and your friends' willful disregard of these facts is why America is in such turmoil and splitting apart.
You and your friends are all lost cultists who are determined to believe lies and not facts.
FACT: ALL THE VOTES IN GEORGIA WERE COUNTED AND VERIFIED THREE TIMES. THERE ARE NO 11,780 EXTRA VOTES TO BE FOUND TO GIVE TO TRUMP SO HE CAN FALSELY AND ILLEGALLY CLAIM HE WON.
There will be no more discussion on this. It would be like trying to convince you that the Earth does indeed revolve around the Sun.
Skud... but why litigate the myriad past foibles of your statements and positions. We know where you've stood on many issues.
Tell us what you think of a US President trying to subvert an election by pressuring state officials to change votes, disenfranchise people and get his way?
I know you stepped out of line one the SS Mothership of Denial once, but you didn't get much traction there with your criticism of Trump because they are fundamentally unable to consider different opinions. You should be careful there though, or you'll get banned too for being un American, like all of us.
Don Lemon: ‘Stop Saying That We Must Respect Trump Supporters Who Believe Bullsh*t!’
And that goes for your skud troll!
Shaw, Trump is like a religion to his supporters. They're as sick as he is.
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