from this thread.
Surprise! Surprise! Some of my readers, including myself, found we were in agreement with much of what Joe Conservative posted.
Okay. So have at it and continue with more input and ideas.
No snarking, please. This is a constructive discussion.
Here's where we left off:
Dave Miller said...Joe... how could this, real employment opportunities, be accomplished? And like you, I'm not a fan of the "flavor du jour" enterprise tax zones.
So, how would you, an at least right of center guy, make real opportunity happen?
Joe Conservative said...Simple, I'd cap corporate capitalizations @ $1b, repeal all domestic corporate tax breaks, tax all foreign corporate profits at 90%, put 90% tariffs on all foreign goods, set 0% tax rate on small businesses/ LLCs earning less than $5m a yea, and put the capital gains tax rate at 50%. The legal emphasis would be on "small". I'd trust-bust the hell out of large corporations and all governments, federal, state, and local. I'd reduce the current overall US Aggregate Efficiency by 50%. All this would increase demand for workers AND discourage capital investments in "Automation".
Joe Conservative said...In other words, I'd change the tax code.
JoeBama "Truth 101" Kelly said...Interesting my friend from the right. JoeC. I would enjoy a real discussion in real time on this if Shaw had the time and inclination for it. Suffice to say that the billionaires funding the TRump campaign would see your ideas as Bernie Sanderesque here though. I figured you would have been a free trader my friend.
Les Carpenter said...Wow Joe Conservative, some sensible suggestions/proposals. Some stuff that the MAGA right wealthy would surely trash.
Dave Miller said...Kudos to Joe... finally someone from the right who has done more than carp.
There's some stuff in his suggestions I know I'd like.
I too believe the "Feds" are bloated and need to, like American companies across the land, learn to do more, with less. How can government be forced to increase efficiency and productivity.
A number of years ago I was in DC. My overwhelming takeaway, after the monuments and the Smithsonian was this. Buildings and buildings everywhere for the different departments of the US government. And each of those with thousands and thousands of employees.
All of those employees I am sure work hard at something. But they produce not one product for the American people that can be put into your hands. They're overseers, policy wonks and lawyers.
As a regular guy, I'm convinced we can do better with less ppl being pushed to be more productive and limiting their reach into the lives of everyday Americans.
A specific Joe... to your tariffs, 90% on everything? Including for example cars and products from Canada and Mexico? And when those prices go up, how do we convince Americans that it's for the best? Especially if they can't afford what they need?
Dave Miller said...Thinking on Joe's tariffs... I'd create a mostly tax free zone including the US, Mexico and Canada. Then, I'd work to extend it to include Central America. That would wrap the areas where the great majority of immigrants to America come from.
We're still going to need immigrants. If we bring millions of manufacturing jobs back to the US, we're going to need more workers. Those can and should come from our hemisphere.
Maybe excluding China, we can keep price increases lower and keep immigration lower too.
Joe Conservative said...Sorry guys, but you DON'T know MAGA like I know MAGA. I don't "keep it at a psychological distance". I actually listen to them. And I think that you misunderstand Trump's business/ corporate positions much as you misunderstand JD Vance's (Peter Thiel's protege) and the National Conservatives (NATCons). To "close this psychological distance), I would recommend you spend 40 minutes to educate yourselves. No, Trump and Vance's economic positions aren't nearly as radical as my own (as I am a RADICAL PROGRESSIVE and not a NeoLiberal One). I want to "downsize" BOTH corporate beheamoths AND the federal Government. But they DO scale back the global corporatism plaguing us with endless wars for expansion of Empire at the US taxpayer's expense. I have family ancestors that were Representatives in the California legislature back in the early 1900's when the Republican Party was VERY anti-trust (especially the railroads0.
I also worked on the DC Beltway for 30 years directly for NASA and the federal government. I've seen the good and bad of government economic management from the inside, and it's not all rainbows and sunshine.
As for your specifics, tariffs, its' a game now and I'm sure the timing might have to vary so as not to "shock" the economy, but yes, I'd like to see tariffs end up there. Biden just put a huge tariff on Chinese EVs... but the major Chinese EV firms already have EV assembly plants in Mexico... so guess what... they evade the recent Chinese EV tariffs.
Hope you take the time to check out the links. Hope this gets posted as a response. I'm open to a conversation if you still have questions and want to talk.
Les Carpenter said...I would personally like to k Joe Conservative for his willingness to elevate the level of discourse with his positive input and suggested solutions.
Maybe, possibly, positivity and truthful honest observations and discussion will become the norm again.
