If you happen to be the wrong gender, in the wrong neighborhood, or on the wrong side of the Tea Party, criminal acts now have a partisan bias. Not all partisans! Most conservatives, liberals and libertarians – with their moral compass fully intact – condemn sadistic acts of malice. Yet, there appears to be a radical fringe that rejects all standards of common decency. When I first learned of this incident …
Sexual harassment and threats of sexual violence
prompted Shaw Kenawe to suspend her web log
... I posted a quick announcement on this web log, Who’s Your Daddy - a forum frequented by the same predators who tormented Shaw. The proprietress of subject blog issued an immediate denial:
Lisa: “Nobody here has ever made any direct threats” [Deleted].
In a follow-up post, I described these malicious acts (source):
"Hate messages, threats of sexual violence, allusions to smearing
victims in excrement – illustrated with vile pornography."
Hardly free speech, threats of physical violence meet the legal definition of “attempted assault.” Threats of sexual violence meet the legal definition of ‘predation.’ Any distribution of unsolicited and unwanted pornography is a violation of state and Federal laws. ALL ARE CRIMINAL OFFENSES!In response to my article cross-posted at Progressive Eruptions, the proprietress of Who’s Your Daddy commandeered a discussion thread with blanket denials:
Lisa “Being you are all about free speech … Don't blame me for something others do” (September 30, 2014 at 9:59 PM).
Lisa: “I had nothing to do with any of whatever it is you claim happened” (September 30, 2014 at 10:04 PM).
Lisa: “Nobody ever threatened you on my blog” (September 30, 2014 at 10:32 PM). Lisa “Hey Octo … or shithead” (October 1, 2014 at 4:37 PM).
Lisa “Like I stated before and this is the last time, I am not responsible for what others post on your blog” (October 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM)The argument is not over comments posted on Shaw’s blog, but over comments posted on Lisa’s blog by her patrons. In essence, the argument is about hosting and enabling predators.
Apparently, Teflon Lisa has now decided to play the victim card. Consider the irony: My original post was NOT ABOUT LISA but about malice in Cyberspace. Yet, reactive and combative, Lisa turned the focus of attention to herself by denying the offenses and defending the offenders.
Given this turn of events, I am now compelled to show actual examples. By no means trivial, these examples demonstrate the kinds of harassment, humiliation, and torment endured by Shaw, not just in Cyberspace but sent to her private email account.
THE GOODS ON TEFLON LISA
Radical Redneck posted this comment on Lisa’s web log:Radical Redneck: “Shaw will hide her fornicator’s head in unprecedented shame by ANY MEANS NECESSARY!” (March 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM).
Embedded in Radical Redneck’s comment is a live link that brings you to a website containing offensive pornography. WARNING: Reader discretion advised.Here is a direct exchange between Lisa and Radical Redneck:
Lisa [speaking directly to Radical Redneck]: “Hey RR the link doesn't work” (August 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM)
Radical Redneck: “http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc49&image=44132_14833499.jpg” (August 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM).
If you copy the URL string in Radical Redneck’s comment and paste it into your browser, it brings you to a website containing offensive pornography. WARNING: Reader discretion advised.Here is another comment posted by Radical Redneck on Lisa’s web log:
Radical Redneck: “Shaw and her “Life Partner” celebrate Ogabe’s *Spit* victory!” (February 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM).
Embedded in Radical Redneck’s comment is a live link that brings you to a website containing offensive pornography. WARNING: Reader discretion advised.Yet another comment by Radical Redneck posted on Lisa’s web log:
Radical Redneck: “Chaw is sucking worthless dick … pick up a thug gaggle and resemble a negroe [sic] porcupine with the countless pricks going in you” (August 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM).
Radical Redneck: “Poor, simple, stupid pest Chaw. Devastated that she's far too contrived and annoying to ever get a black guy, and much to hideous to ever dream of a white guy, must compensate with banal trolling while consuming her default daddy's latest Cleveland Steamer (he always gives her a big one for Kwaanza) out of old Ben & Jerry's containers” (July 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM).
[From the Urban Dictionary: ‘Cleveland Steamer’ is defined as a crude fetishistic sex act whereupon one person – the ‘cacaphile’ - defecates on the chest of another person and smears excrement by rocking back and forth like a steam roller.]Clearly, Lisa’s offal of denial does not pass the sniff test. Not merely isolated examples, there are dozens of lurid comments, links to disturbing images, and threatening email messages sent to private email accounts - clearly a persistent and pervasive pattern of Cyber-Bullying.
Radical Redneck: “Shaw has never looked better!” (August 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM).
Embedded in Radical Redneck’s comment is a live link that brings you to a website containing offensive pornography. WARNING: Reader discretion advised.
The above comment originally appeared under this post. Yesterday, it disappeared from Cyberspace along with this comment:
Rusty Shackelford: “Shaw, the FCFB* (Fat Cunt From Boston) .... chief Obama jock sniffer .....” (July 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM)No doubt, Teflon Lisa will scour her archives and delete all comments referenced herein. No matter. Posts and comments removed from Cyberspace never completely disappear without a trace. There will always be saved texts with embedded links, screen snapshots, copies of menacing email, IP addresses, and digital records stored on computer servers … documented for prosecutors and the process server with due diligence. Notwithstanding, there will also be indignant desert birds reeling in self-righteous anger grasping for self validation:
Kenosha Marge, Liberated Conservative Women: “I'm in total agreement with all of these comments that side with you against those obnoxious liberals” (October 1, 2014 at 1:57 PM).
Exposing the Hypocrisy of the Liberal Left: “… pure ignorance and extreme bull-shit …” (October 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM).
Duckys here: “Lisa, did Rotweiler post the rape and porn material?” (October 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM).
Lisa: “Ducky get lost” (October 3, 2014 at 7:40 AM).Postscript: Honestly! I never understood nor will I ever understand why some men … and the women who enable them … harass, humiliate, debase, defile, stalk, and torment the women of this world. Women are the mothers of all humanity! Thankfully, there are far more GOOD MEN who respect and protect their partners in life and often refer to them - lovingly - as their “better half.”
ADDENDUM:
Radical Redneck's pornographic email to Shaw Kenawe. WARNING: Reader discretion advised.
Radical Redneck has left a new comment on your post ""50 REASONS WHY I REJECT EVOLUTION"":
Shaw, you've NEVER looked better!
Posted by Radical Redneck to Progressive Eruptions at September 26, 2011 4:51 AM
Shaw, you've NEVER looked better!
Posted by Radical Redneck to Progressive Eruptions at September 26, 2011 4:51 AM
31 comments:
I've brought Capt. Fogg's comment from the post below to this one:
Capt. Fogg said...
Shaw,
Feeling feisty this morning, I thought I'd drop by the ISIS blog and try to convince them to get right with Jesus, but that wasn't a big enough challenge. . .
But really I log ago gave up the notion that having the facts straight and a 100 point IQ advantage would win an argument with a shit slinging baboon such as hang out on these Liberal Bashing blogs. They don't even listen and the blonde with a dildo for a nose could be anyone.
As the now famous New Yorker cartoon said "on the internet, no one knows you're a dog?
So anyway, as far as I'm concerned, relief is just a mouse click away. Don't give them a platform.
October 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM Delete
Two more comments from the post below this one:
dmarks said...
I'd go with what the Capt. said. You've shown a flashlight unto the silverfish and cockroaches that lurk in the rotten wood under the sink that is Lisa's blog. You've sent them scurrying, and they continue to mistake waving their antennae for wit.
Just keep blocking them from your blog.
October 6, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Rational Nation USA said...
FreeThinke, regardless of his intellect, education, cultural refinement, and religiosity is pompous hypocrite of the highest order.
His strident support of Lisa and her (his) bigoted porn blog has simply put a brighter spotlight on his already questionable character.
October 6, 2014 at 11:05 AM
Yikes, Shaw! I'm shocked! Are there really people on the right defending this swinish behavior? Who are they and how do they defend this? I mean those people always brag about their Christian religion being a religion of love and then they do this?
Octopus is right. Do the men who defend this dirt have women in their lives?
Have you reported this to the authorities. I hope you do. That Radical Redneck sounds menacing. I hope you've protected yourself. He may be very dangerous.
Capt. Fogg said...
Shaw,
Feeling feisty this morning, I thought I'd drop by the ISIS blog and try to convince them to get right with Jesus, but that wasn't a big enough challenge.
Capt., they can't "get right with Jesus," because they have no knowledge of what Jesus is about, and that's very obvious in the company they keep and whom they defend.
The very people who have claimed the moral superiority of right-wing American values, truth, justice, Mom and apple pie are the ones who support a pornographer, Radical Redneck, his enabler, Lisa, and his disgusting attacks on women.
There is no reasoning with folks who have apple pandowdy for brains.
dmarks said...
I'd go with what the Capt. said. You've shown a flashlight unto the silverfish and cockroaches that lurk in the rotten wood under the sink that is Lisa's blog. You've sent them scurrying, and they continue to mistake waving their antennae for wit.
Just keep blocking them from your blog.
That sort of filth was never on my blog. It's too bad Lisa didn't have the courage or the apple pandowdy to know she shouldn't have hosted it on her blog either.
Rational Nation USA said...
FreeThinke, regardless of his intellect, education, cultural refinement, and religiosity is pompous hypocrite of the highest order.
His strident support of Lisa and her (his) bigoted porn blog has simply put a brighter spotlight on his already questionable character.
RN, I'm as surprised as your are with Mr. Free Thinke's support of this sort of filth. Maybe he didn't understand how bad it was. In any event, he's made his choice.
I'm not sure that he would have characterized what Radical Redneck did as "trivial" had it been done to a loved one in his family. It appears that even in this matter, where there should be no thoughts of conservative/liberal/libertarian sides, there are people who will choose to defend those who share political ideology over plain common decency.
I have learned a valuable lesson.
Annie Of Watertown said...
"Yikes, Shaw! I'm shocked! Are there really people on the right defending this swinish behavior? Who are they and how do they defend this? I mean those people always brag about their Christian religion being a religion of love and then they do this?
Octopus is right. Do the men who defend this dirt have women in their lives?
Have you reported this to the authorities. I hope you do. That Radical Redneck sounds menacing. I hope you've protected yourself. He may be very dangerous."
Annie,
Men who engage in these sorts of attacks on women usually are dangerous. I know of no mentally healthy men who would do such things as he has, and certainly no self-respecting man would attack like R.R. has. He obviously has female problems, and his way of addressing his fears and rage are to humiliate women. Rusty Shackleford is no better, as you can see in the post.
Lisa's involvement with both of these women haters is certainly puzzling. Only she can answer why she associates with a predators like them.
This comment was posted by Capt. Fogg over at The Swash Zone, and it deserves to be here as well:
Capt. Fogg9:53 AM, October 06, 2014
As Dickens said about the internet age, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times" OK, it wasn't Dickens, but windowless vans and BMW's with blacked out windows tend to have unsavory things inside. It's the anonymity. Strangely the advent of screen names (I think AOL is responsible for that) makes it prudent to adopt one as a defense.
After decades on the web I avoid these hopeless situations, but I did read the re-opened comment section at PE. I do sympathize and I've been the target of such things myself. I was lucky enough to be able to identify the perp and I still keep the abject apology like a trophy, but winning these struggles is difficult. Still it would be fun to know who and of what gender our friend Lisa is. Where is Ed Wood to make another B movie: Larry or Lisa? Plan 9 from the Sewer? Night of the Living Perverts?
He-She-It is a great source of mirth however and at least she admits "teabegger and shithead are the same thing." Indeed they are Lisa, indeed they are and the personal touchiness regarding perceived insults is a hallmark when coupled with the unrestrained obscenities they wallow in. The feeling of inferiority that spawns such behavior is impossible to conceal. It's not just a feeling either.
Liberal bashing, with or without the ad hominem is the sport of losers and I prefer to ignore them. You have a better chance taming a vicious dog using Socratic method and so far, no 'troll whisperer' is available. One observation I will offer: it's easier to convince a smart person of his stupidity than an idiot and Parties,blogs and persuasions of her sort are refuges for inconsequential losers who think they can win something by being disgusting. If one fails in all other respects in life, one can always find acceptance and a good buddy of sorts at the bottom of the barrel. Why get in there with them? It stinks in there."
Jeebus H. Christ! What kind of sick minds do this stuff? Interesting that they're conservative blogs doing this crap and then trying to blame Shaw for their attacks? Jeebus! This Lisa guy/woman is as sick as the Radical Redneck posting this shyte! Stay away from these mental cases Shaw!
So. Lisa of Who's Your Daddy is an accessory to criminal behavior? And your one time friend Free Thinke supports her?
Have you learned anything about conservatives and their values Shaw?
Anon. Do not generalize about ALL conservatives, because they do not all march lock-step in issues such as this.
Lisa and her friends support pornography and smut and the degradation of women, but that doesn't mean ALL conservatives or libertarian do so.
The people you find on Lisa's blog who support her are the ones who fall under that category. I personally know conservatives and libertarians who have core human values and do NOT agree with her degrading women.
That has nothing to do with political ideology. One can be conservative or libertarian and respect women. Please do not generalize by including all conservatives and libertarians as people who support the degradation of women.
That is not so.
Let this serve as a warning to anyone who abuses the Internet and sends offensive, indecent, obscene and/or threatening messages: Internet troll gets jail time for tweeting rape threats:
“Although 33 year-old Peter Nunn did not seem to think that there was anything wrong with said threats, having tweeted “If you can’t threaten to rape a celebrity, what is the point in having them?” his threats and harassment were taken seriously by district judge Elizabeth Roscoe, and he was sentenced to 4-5 months in prison for them. He was sentenced under section 127 of the Communications Act, which outlaws electronic messages which are “grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene, or menacing character.”
(Note: There are similar laws in all 50 states and at the Federal level.)
So here is my message for Teflon Lisa: Let’s stop playing games. No more lies and deceptions. And no more playing the victim card. A crime was committed. There will be justice!
FYI, Shaw, another attempt by Lisa's supporters to blame you for their attacks and the filth that SHE SPONSORED ON HER BLOG. They seem not to grasp that it's not a matter of some sort of legislation that was passed yeaars ago on pornography but a matter of allowing ILLEGAL threats and pornography on a blog that does not warn that it supplies links to sadism, sodomy, and males fellating each other.
The objective of this person is to deflect and redirect the onus for this disgusting behavior away from Lisa and to keep blaming the victim--the person the threats, smears, and pornography were directed to.
There's no explanation for this despicable attempt to excuse the inexcusable, except that this person's ideology trumps human decency. It is the only explanation that makes sense.
another point....,I have Read, at times, lisa's blog and Free Dinks....both strike me,besides crude and infantile writing and behavior, as boring. Unforgiveable.
Ann Adamsapple,
Men who are addicted to porn are usually unable to attract women so that's their only outlet for "release." Radical fits that description perfectly. He hates women because they see his obvious inadequacies.
Anonymous said...
"Jeebus H. Christ! What kind of sick minds do this stuff? Interesting that they're conservative blogs doing this crap and then trying to blame Shaw for their attacks? Jeebus! This Lisa guy/woman is as sick as the Radical Redneck posting this shyte! Stay away from these mental cases Shaw!"
Sick is right. But sicker are those who defend their filth.
Robert D.,
I'm not surprised at all. It's tribalism at its worst.
Okjimm,
Agreed. They are childish, boring, and sick.
So has Lisa accepted her position as the conservative blogger Queen of Porn? If not someone should give her the crown.
Radical should get 3 to 4 and a criminal record.
very clever, convincing lisa to give these jokers enough rope to hang themselves.
Let it be noted here and everywhere that your friend "FT" stood firmly on the side of major sleaziness, defending gutter-dwelling pornographers and filthy slime slingers at the Porn Queen's blog.
When it came time to stand on the side of decency, he stood on a side of beef and proclaimed: "I support filth and the right of the Porn Queen and her degenerate friends to be putrid dirtbags!"
Hear! Hear!
I have a strong suspicion most of "Lisa's" supporters are in fact the person who goes by the moniker "Lisa." Probably still posting from the Long Island NY address that appeared on my tracker countless times. Traced several monikers to this address. My favorites were Professor of Life and the Right is Right lady. I baited the trolls pretty fierce and I enjoyed calling them names but that's just me. Maybe that's why after awhile they dried up at my blog. They could make up crap to refute sourced information you and others provide to expose their lies. But they could never refute the fact they were as I described "shitheads."
You don't have to post this comment if you think it would only stir the shitheads up Shaw. They've chosen you for some twisted reason as the object of their hate and ignorance. In a way I'm jealous.
Hi Joe "Truth 101" Kelly! Haven't seen you around the blogs in a while.
Yeah, Lisa and "Ralphie, The Malcontent" were pretty tight in those days, then Ralphie "disappeared," and several new blogging personas appeared in the conservative blogging community. The "Professor Life" was hilarious, since the person who thought him up used a photo of a guy in his profile who, it turned out, cruised porno and sleazy dating sights and the "Professor" described himself in his profile as a Christian man who loved his family. LOL! "Right is Right," was another one of "Ralphie's" or "Lisa's" special "friends."
Lisa's pals, Radical Redneck and Rusty Shackleford are part of the continuum of Lisa's associations with what the above-commenter, W.A.K.A., calls "degenerates" and "dirtbags." Only she can answer why she attracts and is attracted to the dregs of human society.
Thanks for stopping by, Joe. You're always welcome here.
The "lisa's" will tolerate and overlook any amount of bigotry, hate or kookiness if the kook will tell them whatever crap they want to hear. If Adolph Hitler came back from the dead to tell them lowering taxes on the wealthiest and less regulation are good for us they would welcome him with open arms.
T.Y.F.,
Lisa is already known around the blogsphere as the "Porn Queen," and Rabid Redneck may soon enjoy what you think he should get.
billy pilgrim,
There's a difference between good-natured ribbing and teasing and what Lisa and Radical Redneck engaged in. What they did is actually criminal. If she and he still attract commenters to her porn blog, that, in a very real way, means those people approve of the filth Lisa and Redneck published. Some people don't have the courage or the character to do the right thing. Belonging to the tribe is more important.
W.A.K.A.
Thanks for the comment and the email.
Joe,
Here's is what the inimitable Capt. Fogg of "The Swash Zone" had to say about the scoundrels at Who's Your Porn Daddy's blog:
"These aren't decent people but people who know their own vapidity and try to disguise it by attacks as though it were the best defense of the indefensible. We should pity them, I guess but I will leave that to others. Life is too short and too precious to spend time with evil, ugly and dishonest people who are truly beyond the ability to be what they pretend to be."
These are the same types of people who join radical organizations. Who proclaim the wisdom of nuts like Ted Cruz that pander to their bigotry. Who cash their Social Security checks while proclaiming to hate socialism and government interference. The worst part is they vote, unlike so many of our poor and minority groups. We ignore them at out peril.
"We ignore them at out peril."
I agree. We shouldn't ignore the big-time players in the political arena, but two-bit smut peddlers like Lisa, Rancid Redneck and Rusty Shackleford can be ignored, since they are, as Capt. Fogg described them in the first comment in this thread.
The Democratic party in my hometown is dead because we don't fight back. Message boards are infested with haters like the lisas and nobody is willing to hit them back. Frankly i'd had enough of being the only one who would stand up to them. I was shunned by the real leaders of the party and screwed with countless times. Sometimes you gotta accept a little Machiavellianism and accept the ends justify the means. Calling Lisa's troll army shitheads rather than attempting serious debate and discussion ran them off from my blog. Love the Captain but cheers come when we attack the deluded fools. Not offer a serious dialogue on the benefits of Keynesian Economics.
So what have we learned or gained from this incident, if anything? In shining a light into the darkest corners of the Cringe Fringe, this should be obvious by now: Their ranks are filled with predators and stalkers, sadists and sociopaths, malcontents and misfits … the “indignant desert birds” of nihilism and nullification. Despite their howls of protest, denials and projections, the evidence presented here is clear enough.
If anything, I believe one unanticipated lesson has come to light. This incident reveals something - not about them - but about us … starting with the last sentence of my last post:
“Incidentally, we can also choose better friends.”
Why do some victims of domestic abuse and violence remain with their tormenters? Why do kidnap victims bond with their captors – this phenomenon known as Stockholm Syndrome? What attracts some people to abusers and holds them thrall? Why do some people ignore obvious signs and symptoms of abuse when others see it so clearly? Yes, this incident teaches us something about ourselves: Our blind spots, our vulnerabilities.
Answers to these questions may be very personal and private, and the Internet is not a proper venue for exploring these questions. It is constructive to ask these questions but I shall tread no further.
Besides, my mission here is complete. It is time for me to return to my watery habitat known as the Swash Zone and attend to the long neglected critters of the realm.
I'm a friend of Shaw's who frequently reads her blog but who does not actively comment or have a blog ID.
As an observer of this current discussion, I am shocked at the tactics used by the "Cringe Fringe." Their postings indicate how extreme their positions are. There's no useful political insight in their comments except to know the extremes they will go to to discredit, humiliate, and menace the people they disagree with. I would counsel these people to pause, read their own comments, look at the pornography they've published, and reflect on what kind of disreputable people they represent themselves to be.
What they did to Shaw is evil in its clearest definition:
"profoundly immoral and malevolent.
"his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, foul, vile, dishonorable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, reprobate, villainous, nefarious, vicious, malicious..."
And if the people who perpetrated this evil don't realize that, they are unreachable as normal human beings.
In regards to Octo's "mission" being complete... Lisa, Radical, etc have been held accountable and "faced justice"? What did that entail, exactly? I see that Lisa's blog is still open, and her take on this is that Octo's 2 posts amount to the "hateful tactics of loser liberals on full display".
I looked over the thread and didn't see any of the called out offenders speak of "facing justice". FreeThinke does complain about "threatening someone with JAIL TIME, just because you don't like the way they run their blog".
D.S. we're not going to talk about what has been done and will be done.
Second, if anyone characterizes this whole sordid issue as merely "not liking" how that filthy pornographic blog is run, then they have misplaced their human decency.
Capt. Fogg explained why Lisa and her two deranged smut peddlers, Radical and Rusty, continue on as though nothing wrong has occured: Smart people can and often do own up to their mistakes.
Stupid people?
Never.
"Stupid people?
Never"
You certainly have that right Shaw.
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