BREAKING
NEWS:
The
self-identified sexual assaulter and POTUS, Donald J. Trump, came out today in
support of alleged pedophile and US Senate hopeful from Alabama, Roy Moore.
No surprise there.
Dirty birds of a feather stink together.
Al Franken, Charlie Rose, Roy Moore, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Glenn Thrush, Steve Jurvetson, Eddie Berganza, Andrew Kreigsberg, Louis C.K., Benjamin Gennochio, Jeffrey Tambor, Ed Westwick, David Guillod, Jeff Hoover, Bret Ratner, Kurt Webster, Andy Dick, Michael Oreskes, Hamilton Fish, Mark Halperin, Ken Baker, Rick Najera, Knight Landesman, Leon Wieseltier,
And Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.
CNN host lists women who've accused Trump of sexual assault:
'People in glass White Houses shouldn't throw stones'
Jake Tapper slams Trump for “rank hypocrisy”
Women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct: 'We were forgotten'
And this:
14 comments:
I agree that "what Franken did was wrong, but equating what he did with Moore and Trump's actions does a huge disservice to this effort to fight abuse"... see my commentary re the Tweeden/Franken allegations here (PE readers MIGHT be interested). Or you might just want to look at this pic which shows Tweeden and Franken kissing on stage during the performance of his skit. Note that Tweeden has her arm around Franken's neck. She is not turning her head, or placing her hand over her mouth to avoid the kiss as she says was her plan.
See also this tweet by Twitter-er "Puesto Loco". Images show that Tweeden, in pic where Franken "gropes" her, is sitting in a military "jump seat", which is not for civilians. See second image (smaller pic on the side) which shows Tweeden sitting in regular seating installed on the aircraft for civilian use. "Puesto Loco" says this is evidence that the "groping" pic may have been staged (Tweeden wasn't asleep but was in on the "joke"). I'm not sure what to make of it, but (if it is what Puesto Loco surmises), this is surely something that should come out during any ethics investigation into Franken.
It's all about power and power-sharing. I read about this outrage, but the obvious, and broader, issue is equal treatment of women. Compare the situation to Finland. People sauna naked together without the prurient arousal Americans expect, women are closer in terms of equal pay and career opportunity, a larger part of the political leadership from the unicameral parliament to the supreme court are women, there's excellent paid maternity/paternity leave for 10 months, universal healthcare, and Finnish kids are taught to solve problems collectively. The US, in contrast, maintains this paternalistic approach, and now we are discovering this? What is most telling about the Rose scandal is his stated perception that the ladies were onboard with his abuses of the power arrangement. And as we see with the current Evangelical push to defend Roy Moore, there even seems to be confusion as to whether we live in the US or the Republic of Gilead with More Guns.
As I commented on Hackwhackers the other day, I hope this will be a catalyst to stronger efforts to recruit women political candidates. For whatever reason, women much less often engage in this kind of behavior (yes, there are exceptions -- I read Dervish's post -- but they're rare). Women as politicians present a lot less risk of a scandal like this suddenly blowing up out of the past.
All of this has to stop.
And the men who engage in harassment, inappropriate touching, and rape need to get their urges under control. I've lived all my life hearing about how women are slaves to their hormones. Now we're finding out the truth, and that truth is that it is the men who've accused women of being "slaves to their hormones" who are the worst perpetrators because of their testosterone-besotted brains. The men who believe women and girls exist for them to touch, humiliate, rape will no longer be able to get away with their rotten and criminal behavior.
One other thing. I don't want to hear or read a word from any Trump supporter about Franken or other badly behaved liberal men who engaged in such humiliating acts. Their votes for Trump and their support for Moore tell us all we need to know about where they stand on this issue. They are on the side of the perverts and sexual assaulters, so they can all STFU.
They have no credibility on the issue. AT ALL.
Infidel753 is correct. We need more women in positions of power because they do not engage in this behavior to the extent that men do.
Shaw... all you have to do to understand the Trump voter is catch this viewpoint from the GOP Governor of Alabama. She said she finds the accusations against Moore credible, but will still vote for him.
A sitting politician, the elected leader of the State of Alabama has said in effect, she believes the women who accused Moore of unwanted advances, harassment and of trying to seduce minors into sexual relationships. Yet, for her, it is still better to have a person with that level of character, that of a serial molester, representing Alabama than to elect a Democrat.
Breathtaking...
There is no question but what, to some degree, women have been treated as objects by SOME men in our culture going back to colonial days. This is both unfortunate as well as morally wrong. The discussion required to steer attitudes in tyhe right direction is one we been have for 30 or 40 years. It has simply been taken to a new level.
We need more women in positions of power because they do not engage in this behavior to the extent that men do.
Agreed. However, I ask a hypothetical question, since the type of actions and behaviors we're talking about is related to abuse of power is it concievable that as women gain in power and influence and reach parity with men (a desirable event) that sexual misbehaviors will increase among women in power?
Food for thought... Posted yesterday.
I recall a situation almost 30 years ago when I was superintending a corrugated plant. I received a telephone call from one of my supervisors. He told me one of our female employees was claiming sexual harassment, that she was uncomfortable working around a certain male in the department as e was leering at her. As the company I was employed by, as well as myself, took sexual harassment claims very seriously I told my supervisor to meet me on my way to his department. After getting a quick rundown and asking a few questions I was surprised at what I saw as I approached the women making the claim of sexual harassment.
Clearly, and in bold multi colored lettering were the words, THESE ARE NOT MY EYES emblazoned on her tee shirt. The lettering ran directly across, you guessed it, her breasts.
Needless to say the remedy was easy. She was sent home to change with the appropriate loss of pay. She was advised the lettering was inappropriate, to never report for work dressed in such attire again, and should she wish to push a sexual harassment complaint her attire could be considered entrapment by a shred lawyer.
The male was told leering was considered harassment and the company expected he refrain from doing so when on our premise.
Letters, signed by them, were placed in both employees files along with the notes of my investigation. There was no further incidents.
A rush to judgment is almost always the wrong action.
RN, I'm sure there are women who are trouble makers, but the vast number of sexual harassment and predation cases involve men victimizing women. And it's been going on longer than since our Colonial days, that's for sure.
Little to nothing in most of these cases was done to the perpetrators,(see the Weinstein and Trump victims), and so they continued their disgusting behaviors.
Some insight into the reasons mostly men do this is in this article.
But the article doesn't deal with pedophilia, which is a sickness both men and women engage in.
I say bring it all into the open and let's agree to not accept this behavior in men (or women), ever again.
Dave, when people are willing to compromise their moral values for power, there isn't a lot one can do. At least we Americans are finding out the truth about self-identified "family and religious values" voters. And what we've found out is that it's all a sham. They are most certainly not religious, and they have no values.
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Infidel753 said...
Sexual abuse and harassment is probably as old as humanity. For that matter, there are some analogous behaviors among chimpanzees. That's no reason for inaction, though. The rise of civilization has included teaching humans the self-discipline to refrain from behavior that isn't compatible with civilized social groups. As we've seen, the process still has some way to go.
I actually think the present barrage of scandals in the media will have a salutary effect. Millions of men who unthinkingly regard these kinds of behavior as trivial entertainment are seeing that it can actually mean a career-ending scandal or at least massive social disgrace. That will probably be more effective at changing their behavior than most other available options.
The exception, of course, is men in those religious-fundamentalist or hard-right subcultures where they see almost everyone standing by the abuser and crudely denouncing the accusers -- persisting in the patterns of decades or centuries ago. But this will just make those subcultures look even more primitive and repugnant to mainstream society. It may not be obvious now, but I think the Evangelical world is going to pay a real price for coddling and excusing people like Moore and Trump.
"Trump Backs Roy Moore: ‘We Don’t Need A Liberal Democrat In That Seat"
Right. The GOP needs a little girl diddler, a pedophile, a law-breaker, and a liar.
Hooray for the new Republican Party! It's a beautiful day!
It just keeps coming -- a retired Alabama policewoman is saying that in the 1980s, when Roy Moore attended high-school football games, she was told to keep him away from the cheerleaders because he used to hassle them.
The fundies in Alabama are gonna need to go deeper into denial than the Marianas Trench to still vote for this guy.
The Republican Party will now be labeled as the party of child molesters and sexual assaulters. Their President Pussy Grabber is supporting a man who molested little girls over a man who brought to justice men who killed little girls. Let that sink in.
GOP = The Sewerage Party
The question now is what will the Dems do with Franken. Today two more women accused him. Are they credible? Are they lying?
By what objective measure can we judge the accusations against primarily men in politics, Hollywood, and other positions of power?
How do we determine guilt, innocence, stupid mistakes, criminal behavior or just bad judgement?
We are in uncharted territory here and I've seen no one describe a fair way to determine the truth of alleged actions of years gone by.
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