General John Kelly: "He said that, in his opinion, Mr. Trump met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law."
Thursday, October 26, 2017
President Bone Spur Gets a Win!
Trump has finally won big, breaking a historic record – by earning himself the lowest first quarter approval rating in the history of polling! Gallup reported:
Shaw re: skudrunner's comment below on special interest and saying Trump isn't catering to them like Obama?
"Republicans in Congress have yet to achieve some of their grandest dreams, like huge tax cuts for the wealthy, and they are counting on Mr. Trump to deliver. Spoilsports like Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, may fret about the small stuff, like, as he said on the Senate floor on Tuesday, “the threats against principles, freedoms and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth and decency. But what’s all that compared to a bonanza for special interests?"
No cigar for the troll, Sam. He's quoting ONE poll taker -- Rassmussen. trump is still in the crapper where approval is concerned, but his supporters can't face reality, so they, like #45, cheat by using only one poll number believing everyone is as gullible as they are.
Thursday, October 26, 2017
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 43% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 28% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 46% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18. (see trends).
Sad, isn't it? #45's supporters are eager to tout a 43% approval and a whopping 55% DISAPPROVAL for their universally hated preznit.
Congratulations President Trump! You are finally a winner! Number ONE on the lowest ratings of any president! I knew you could do It! It is a rating that is well deserved.
(It is not like a golf score, but your supporters probably don’t know the difference.)
Shaw... sadly I do not believe any of this is good news for the Dems. Trumps approval within the GOP is rock solid among people who will be facing the voters. There is not one, not one person publicly willing to be critical of Trump who is going to run for reelection.
And his voters? Well just read the Mothership.
The Dems have nothing. No top level young candidates, no natural leaders and no national presence. They've got no cohesive plan and are, in spite of Trump, floundering.
His numbers may be down, but in the end, I tend to agree with folks who see a path to another 4 years starting in 2020, barring removal from office. And in that case, the people who abandoned him will return to Pence with a vengeance.
It does not look good for the Dems... unless 2018 is a wave and they take the House or the Senate.
Dave, I think it's a bit early to make any predictions about the next presidential election. Who even thought of Trump other than as a loud mouth jerk, let a lone a president, one year into Mr. Obama's second term?
Also, Trump won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan by 77,744 votes, but he is polllling net negative in those states. People took a chance on him thinking he was going to be something new and good, and they've found out he's just more of the same for special interests, Wall Street, and the wealthy, and there's incontrovertible proof that there is nothing "good" about a liar and sexual assaulter.
Those folks at the Mothe Ship are irredeemable. They'll never look at trump and his character because he has an "R" after his name. Any moral failings by him are just fine with them.
Dave Miller makes very good points and while the dems flounder the republican party is uniting around Trump. McCain, Flake, Corker, Snow and Murkowski are becoming ostracized from the party and will soon be eating their lunch together a table in the back of the room. A sign of their impending doom....you only see Corker or Flake on either CNN or MSNBC.
What is the likelihood that any candidate, of any party, will put special interests aside Shaw? Given the reality the cost to finance a presidential run today can run into mega millions, if not billions, donors are critical. They expect results for their investment.
Only by eliminating, completely, the influence of money will service to special interests cease to be an issue/problem. Solution? Five dollars of every tax payer dollars goes to financing federal elections and the campaign "season" is limited by law to THREE months. What is the likelihood, in your view, that this will ever happen Shaw?
The unfortunate history which we are living is the last two presidents had great potential to do great things and they got caught in their own shortcomings and biases. Obama was the first mixed race president and trump is the first non politician president. Obama started the dividing of the country because his handlers directed him that way and trump continues the divide because he listens to no one.
Maybe someday we can have a president who does what is right for the country but it will be at least another 3 years before we get a chance.
well, maybe it's just me....but I don't hold a lot of hope/respect/intell on ratings or rankings. I always remember that 'Mr. Ed' was a highly ranked TV show. Gees, that horse could really move his lips.....and that hair.
skud, There is no way you can place Obama and Trump on an equal footing. That’s just crazy, and even you are not that stupid, that partisan maybe, but not that stupid.
Skud... please understand something... President Obama was not our first mixed race president. He was our first black/African American president. Any attempt to classify him as anything else, is not just seen as racist, it is racist. Just as any attempt to disqualify him from office based on his place of birth.
Why do people persist in denying him his blackness and in trying to diminish the accomplishment of being our first black president?
While my son may identify as mixed race, the fact is, by our country's standards, he's black. Period.
I wish folks could understand that... it would make it so much easier to explain to folks...
Technically speaking Dave Obama was our first bi-racial President. African American/Caucasian, or black/white. Not that any of this should matter. What is important is intelligence, character, honesty, integrity, critical thinking skills, empathy, and the list goes on. Obama more the most part possessed those qualities. Trump has shown he does not.
Either one gets it or they don't. skudrunner is not stupid, but, as Jerry noted he is highly partisan. Not unlike many on both sides.
If only more folks could just take a step back and look at things more broadly and without prejudice. Sigh.
I wonder how his response to the opioid epidemic is going to play.
Essentially he has announced a creative two prong policy:
1. Heavy interdiction and sentencing 2. Just say "no"
Right back to the Reagan era when it all started. I'm struck by this jerk's vision. Moderates probably see the looming failure also. It will actually play with the base who will somehow convince themselves that the utterly failed "war on drugs" just never had the right general. Any hope that non-violent drug sentencing reform would continue is long gone. He ain't quite Duterte but it's probably not for lack of aspiration.
I don't understand how his completely unimaginative, doomed policy got so little attention after his speech. But everyone is running with the Uranium One non story.
Can't believe the Republican base is all out to dump Goldwater/Reagan Reps like flake and Corker and embrace the guy who's just using the party as a stage for his clown show. Well bring on Kelli Chemtrails.
Our conservative friend, skud, love to remind everyone that Bill Clinton, whom he calls "BJ," was a sexual predator. But what does he have to say about this:
The White House Officially Says That All The Women Who Accused Trump Of Sexual Harassment Are Lying
So the women who accused Clinton, Crosby, Weinstein, etc., of sexual predation are telling the truth, but the women who accuse Trumpie are all liars?
It's interesting that Clinton held this record for decades until Trump came along and that was before we knew Clinton was an adulterer. I wonder what JFK's number would be if the press had been honest with the American people about his sexual behavior and opinion about women?
Anon, citing other presidents' sexual history doesn't excuse or diminish Trump's, in fact, it makes him and the people who excuse his many adulteries and (his sexual remarks about his own daughter) look worse. And #45 IS worse. It's amazing Goopers don't understand why.
Dave, you revert to anyone who says anything negative about obama is racist. You cannot deny the truth that he is mixed race and I have not heard of a biracial individual identifying with his white side. In most parts of the country people don't care what you call yourself but there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian.
Trump is a disgusting person who has a foul mouth but unlike BJC he has not been accused of multiple rapes. We have lost the ability to reason and communicate. Is there sexual harassment, sure and there is no place for it but we have come to a place where I am reluctant to tell a female employee she looks nice because that is sexual harassment. Once one women claims sexual harassment a group jump on and tell you what happened 20 years ago.
JC, As far as panning to their special interests they are equal.
skudrunner: "...there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian."
skudrunner has jumped on the FAUX NOOZ "WHITE PEOPLE SUFFER FROM DISCRIMINATION!" bandwagon. You really, really believe that nonsense? Do you ever talk to African-Americans? Do you even read history? Jeebus!
skudrunner: "...we have come to a place where I am reluctant to tell a female employee she looks nice because that is sexual harassment."
You're being ridiculous. Saying someone looks nice is not sexual harassment. For you to reduce sexual harassment to an absurd level is unworthy. Women have been harassed and assaulted for centuries, and males have gotten used to getting away with it.
skudrunner: "Once one women claims sexual harassment a group jump on and tell you what happened 20 years ago."
And why on earth shouldn't they? Should they keep it a secret that men have touched them without their permission, like old man Bush has done forever? Joking about touching women's asses? Do you have daughters? A wife? I know you had a mother. How would you feel if some old geezer put his hand on their bottoms or breasts to "cope a feel?" When is that behavior okay? Would it be okay if it were done to a 7 year old girl? A teen? A 20 year old? When is it okay for a male to touch a female without her permission? Should there be a statute of limitations?
Some guy grabbed a girl or women 20 years ago and you think she should just forget about it? Women and girls weren't listened to when they complained about being touched and groped. We were just supposed to shut up and understand that men have the right to do whatever the hell they want to our bodies? Eh?
NO!
Your and other men's attitude is the reason that this sort of soft assault on girls and women has been excused and condoned for so many centuries. After all, it's just men being men. And girls and women should just shut up and take it.
skud, The problem isn't “panning to their special interests”. Politicians should pay special attention to their “special interests”. Their special interests should be the American people. The American people will become politicians special interests when we have public financing of all elections.
Businesses should not contribute. Corporations should not contribute. Special interest groups, both liberal and conservative, should not contribute. Contributions should come from the people through very limited individual contributions and taxpayer funded government contributions.
We need to return to government of the people, by the people, and for the people. PERIOD! That means the people fund the government and the elections.
skud, One other thing. There is a definite advantage to being identified as a white caucasian. I an a white Caucasian. I am also tall and thin. I also grew up in an upper middle class family with a locally well known father. I know first hand the advantages that has afforded me throughout my whole life, from the time I was a baby to today! I have lived the white advantage.
Oh the hysterics. I never said anything about white people suffer from discrimination you just misread what I said, I'm sure you didn't misquote me on purpose. I have several black, brown and mixed race friends, neighbors and employees who I communicate with every day. You didn't seem to comment on why biracial people identify with their black heritage. Why do you think that is. BTW I don't watch Fox except Fox business to follow the market trends in the morning.
If something is so bad why not report it 20 years ago. I never said anything about touching because that is inappropriate and it always has been, unless you are BJC of course. I will admit that I do like a hug on occasion even from someone not my wife or daughter. That either makes me a dirty old man or an affectionate elderly person. I have yet to be accused of anything inappropriate so I guess I am in the clear so far. If a women grabs my bottom I ask to kindly to stop but as yet have not involved law enforcement.
We have lost the ability to reason but maybe that is because we have lost the ability to talk to each other. Sitting in a restaurant and watching two people on their phones texting or a mother texting instead of talking to her children is the modern day communication.
"...there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian."
That sounded to me like a complaint that you believe white people have gotten a raw deal because there's no advantage anymore in being white. Read Jerry Critter's comment above.
In this country, when a person has African skin color, he/she cannot pass as white, even if he/she is half white. You know that. And because you're from the south, you know that one drop of Negro blood made a person that race -- (I don't believe in "race," except the human race.)
Skud, the facts about groping women aren't what you think they are. Almost every woman in my family has had the humiliating experience of unwanted groping and touching at some point in their lives. A mutually consented hug is not the same as some guy a girl or woman works for or with grabbing a girl's or woman's behind or breast for a squeeze. And you most certainly know that's what this is about. Not a hug between friends or family members. You know better.
Don't diminish what girls and women have had to put up with over the centuries. Complaining got them nowhere. Accusing men got them nowhere because of the attitude that "it's just a harmless pat on the ass" and "no harm meant." That is no longer tolerated
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Shaw re: skudrunner's comment below on special interest and saying Trump isn't catering to them like Obama?
"Republicans in Congress have yet to achieve some of their grandest dreams, like huge tax cuts for the wealthy, and they are counting on Mr. Trump to deliver. Spoilsports like Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, may fret about the small stuff, like, as he said on the Senate floor on Tuesday, “the threats against principles, freedoms and institutions, the flagrant disregard for truth and decency. But what’s all that compared to a bonanza for special interests?"
Good try but no cigar, his approval rating went up to 43 percent
No cigar for the troll, Sam. He's quoting ONE poll taker -- Rassmussen. trump is still in the crapper where approval is concerned, but his supporters can't face reality, so they, like #45, cheat by using only one poll number believing everyone is as gullible as they are.
Thursday, October 26, 2017
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 43% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 28% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 46% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18. (see trends).
Sad, isn't it? #45's supporters are eager to tout a 43% approval and a whopping 55% DISAPPROVAL for their universally hated preznit.
Nice try, Sam, but no cigar.
Congratulations President Trump! You are finally a winner! Number ONE on the lowest ratings of any president! I knew you could do It! It is a rating that is well deserved.
(It is not like a golf score, but your supporters probably don’t know the difference.)
.....and Jeff Flake at 18%....
Has anyones name ever been a better fit
Shaw... sadly I do not believe any of this is good news for the Dems. Trumps approval within the GOP is rock solid among people who will be facing the voters. There is not one, not one person publicly willing to be critical of Trump who is going to run for reelection.
And his voters? Well just read the Mothership.
The Dems have nothing. No top level young candidates, no natural leaders and no national presence. They've got no cohesive plan and are, in spite of Trump, floundering.
His numbers may be down, but in the end, I tend to agree with folks who see a path to another 4 years starting in 2020, barring removal from office. And in that case, the people who abandoned him will return to Pence with a vengeance.
It does not look good for the Dems... unless 2018 is a wave and they take the House or the Senate.
Dave, I think it's a bit early to make any predictions about the next presidential election. Who even thought of Trump other than as a loud mouth jerk, let a lone a president, one year into Mr. Obama's second term?
Also, Trump won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan by 77,744 votes, but he is polllling net negative in those states. People took a chance on him thinking he was going to be something new and good, and they've found out he's just more of the same for special interests, Wall Street, and the wealthy, and there's incontrovertible proof that there is nothing "good" about a liar and sexual assaulter.
Those folks at the Mothe Ship are irredeemable. They'll never look at trump and his character because he has an "R" after his name. Any moral failings by him are just fine with them.
The irredeemable are st about 30%. But when only about 50% of the electorate vote, 30% may be enough to win depending on the makeup of the 50% voting.
Don’t discount Dave’s pessimism.
Dave Miller makes very good points and while the dems flounder the republican party is uniting around Trump. McCain, Flake, Corker, Snow and Murkowski are becoming ostracized from the party and will soon be eating their lunch together a table in the back of the room.
A sign of their impending doom....you only see Corker or Flake on either CNN or MSNBC.
In Sept. the DNC raised 4 million dollars while the RNC raised 11 million.
What is the likelihood that any candidate, of any party, will put special interests aside Shaw? Given the reality the cost to finance a presidential run today can run into mega millions, if not billions, donors are critical. They expect results for their investment.
Only by eliminating, completely, the influence of money will service to special interests cease to be an issue/problem. Solution? Five dollars of every tax payer dollars goes to financing federal elections and the campaign "season" is limited by law to THREE months. What is the likelihood, in your view, that this will ever happen Shaw?
All I can say is I hope you're right. It does remain to be seen who the Dems will be putting up.
Biden?
Or perhaps a mixed Kasich/Manchin ticket or something like that?
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal or libertarian...
Just spitballing here...
The unfortunate history which we are living is the last two presidents had great potential to do great things and they got caught in their own shortcomings and biases. Obama was the first mixed race president and trump is the first non politician president. Obama started the dividing of the country because his handlers directed him that way and trump continues the divide because he listens to no one.
Maybe someday we can have a president who does what is right for the country but it will be at least another 3 years before we get a chance.
well, maybe it's just me....but I don't hold a lot of hope/respect/intell on ratings or rankings. I always remember that 'Mr. Ed' was a highly ranked TV show. Gees, that horse could really move his lips.....and that hair.
skud, There is no way you can place Obama and Trump on an equal footing. That’s just crazy, and even you are not that stupid, that partisan maybe, but not that stupid.
Skud... please understand something... President Obama was not our first mixed race president. He was our first black/African American president. Any attempt to classify him as anything else, is not just seen as racist, it is racist. Just as any attempt to disqualify him from office based on his place of birth.
Why do people persist in denying him his blackness and in trying to diminish the accomplishment of being our first black president?
While my son may identify as mixed race, the fact is, by our country's standards, he's black. Period.
I wish folks could understand that... it would make it so much easier to explain to folks...
Technically speaking Dave Obama was our first bi-racial President. African American/Caucasian, or black/white. Not that any of this should matter. What is important is intelligence, character, honesty, integrity, critical thinking skills, empathy, and the list goes on. Obama more the most part possessed those qualities. Trump has shown he does not.
Either one gets it or they don't. skudrunner is not stupid, but, as Jerry noted he is highly partisan. Not unlike many on both sides.
If only more folks could just take a step back and look at things more broadly and without prejudice. Sigh.
I wonder how his response to the opioid epidemic is going to play.
Essentially he has announced a creative two prong policy:
1. Heavy interdiction and sentencing
2. Just say "no"
Right back to the Reagan era when it all started. I'm struck by this jerk's vision. Moderates probably see the looming failure also.
It will actually play with the base who will somehow convince themselves that the utterly failed "war on drugs" just never had the right general. Any hope that non-violent drug sentencing reform would continue is long gone. He ain't quite Duterte but it's probably not for lack of aspiration.
I don't understand how his completely unimaginative, doomed policy got so little attention after his speech.
But everyone is running with the Uranium One non story.
.....and Jeff Flake at 18%....
Has anyones name ever been a better fit
Can't believe the Republican base is all out to dump Goldwater/Reagan Reps like flake and Corker and embrace the guy who's just using the party as a stage for his clown show. Well bring on Kelli Chemtrails.
Our conservative friend, skud, love to remind everyone that Bill Clinton, whom he calls "BJ," was a sexual predator. But what does he have to say about this:
The White House Officially Says That All The Women Who Accused Trump Of Sexual Harassment Are Lying
So the women who accused Clinton, Crosby, Weinstein, etc., of sexual predation are telling the truth, but the women who accuse Trumpie are all liars?
Of course! That's how the Goopers roll!
It's interesting that Clinton held this record for decades until Trump came along and that was before we knew Clinton was an adulterer. I wonder what JFK's number would be if the press had been honest with the American people about his sexual behavior and opinion about women?
Anon, citing other presidents' sexual history doesn't excuse or diminish Trump's, in fact, it makes him and the people who excuse his many adulteries and (his sexual remarks about his own daughter) look worse. And #45 IS worse. It's amazing Goopers don't understand why.
Ducky, did #45 talk about funding his "response" to the opioid epidemic?
Dave, you revert to anyone who says anything negative about obama is racist. You cannot deny the truth that he is mixed race and I have not heard of a biracial individual identifying with his white side. In most parts of the country people don't care what you call yourself but there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian.
Trump is a disgusting person who has a foul mouth but unlike BJC he has not been accused of multiple rapes. We have lost the ability to reason and communicate. Is there sexual harassment, sure and there is no place for it but we have come to a place where I am reluctant to tell a female employee she looks nice because that is sexual harassment. Once one women claims sexual harassment a group jump on and tell you what happened 20 years ago.
JC, As far as panning to their special interests they are equal.
skudrunner: "...there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian."
skudrunner has jumped on the FAUX NOOZ "WHITE PEOPLE SUFFER FROM DISCRIMINATION!" bandwagon.
You really, really believe that nonsense? Do you ever talk to African-Americans? Do you even read history? Jeebus!
skudrunner: "...we have come to a place where I am reluctant to tell a female employee she looks nice because that is sexual harassment."
You're being ridiculous. Saying someone looks nice is not sexual harassment. For you to reduce sexual harassment to an absurd level is unworthy. Women have been harassed and assaulted for centuries, and males have gotten used to getting away with it.
skudrunner: "Once one women claims sexual harassment a group jump on and tell you what happened 20 years ago."
And why on earth shouldn't they? Should they keep it a secret that men have touched them without their permission, like old man Bush has done forever? Joking about touching women's asses? Do you have daughters? A wife? I know you had a mother. How would you feel if some old geezer put his hand on their bottoms or breasts to "cope a feel?" When is that behavior okay? Would it be okay if it were done to a 7 year old girl? A teen? A 20 year old? When is it okay for a male to touch a female without her permission? Should there be a statute of limitations?
Some guy grabbed a girl or women 20 years ago and you think she should just forget about it? Women and girls weren't listened to when they complained about being touched and groped. We were just supposed to shut up and understand that men have the right to do whatever the hell they want to our bodies? Eh?
NO!
Your and other men's attitude is the reason that this sort of soft assault on girls and women has been excused and condoned for so many centuries. After all, it's just men being men. And girls and women should just shut up and take it.
NOT ANYMORE!
skud,
The problem isn't “panning to their special interests”. Politicians should pay special attention to their “special interests”. Their special interests should be the American people. The American people will become politicians special interests when we have public financing of all elections.
Businesses should not contribute. Corporations should not contribute. Special interest groups, both liberal and conservative, should not contribute. Contributions should come from the people through very limited individual contributions and taxpayer funded government contributions.
We need to return to government of the people, by the people, and for the people. PERIOD! That means the people fund the government and the elections.
skud,
One other thing. There is a definite advantage to being identified as a white caucasian. I an a white Caucasian. I am also tall and thin. I also grew up in an upper middle class family with a locally well known father. I know first hand the advantages that has afforded me throughout my whole life, from the time I was a baby to today! I have lived the white advantage.
Oh the hysterics. I never said anything about white people suffer from discrimination you just misread what I said, I'm sure you didn't misquote me on purpose. I have several black, brown and mixed race friends, neighbors and employees who I communicate with every day. You didn't seem to comment on why biracial people identify with their black heritage. Why do you think that is. BTW I don't watch Fox except Fox business to follow the market trends in the morning.
If something is so bad why not report it 20 years ago. I never said anything about touching because that is inappropriate and it always has been, unless you are BJC of course. I will admit that I do like a hug on occasion even from someone not my wife or daughter. That either makes me a dirty old man or an affectionate elderly person. I have yet to be accused of anything inappropriate so I guess I am in the clear so far. If a women grabs my bottom I ask to kindly to stop but as yet have not involved law enforcement.
We have lost the ability to reason but maybe that is because we have lost the ability to talk to each other. Sitting in a restaurant and watching two people on their phones texting or a mother texting instead of talking to her children is the modern day communication.
skud, you wrote this:
"...there is little advantage in identifying as a Caucasian."
That sounded to me like a complaint that you believe white people have gotten a raw deal because there's no advantage anymore in being white. Read Jerry Critter's comment above.
In this country, when a person has African skin color, he/she cannot pass as white, even if he/she is half white. You know that. And because you're from the south, you know that one drop of Negro blood made a person that race -- (I don't believe in "race," except the human race.)
Skud, the facts about groping women aren't what you think they are. Almost every woman in my family has had the humiliating experience of unwanted groping and touching at some point in their lives. A mutually consented hug is not the same as some guy a girl or woman works for or with grabbing a girl's or woman's behind or breast for a squeeze. And you most certainly know that's what this is about. Not a hug between friends or family members. You know better.
Don't diminish what girls and women have had to put up with over the centuries. Complaining got them nowhere. Accusing men got them nowhere because of the attitude that "it's just a harmless pat on the ass" and "no harm meant." That is no longer tolerated
Jerry, well put. I totally agree.
So do I Jerry.
I'm personally familiar with the reality you described. First hand.
skudrunner, do you actually believe the stuff you post or are you just having fun playing games?
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