Trump is a lawless president. What did America expect when it put a convicted felon in office?
At 12:35 am ET, the president decreed that he was nullifying President Biden’s preemptive pardons of members of the January 6 committee, an assertion of a power the Constitution does not bestow.
If the courts don't hold these people in contempt for ignoring the court rulings and take action, and if they aren't stopped from doing whatever they have planned around this, then it will be clear we are living in a dictatorship and we do not have a democracy any longer.
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The Felon of the United States is simply testing the deeper waters. So far the ignorant of the nation have fed his insatiable authoritarian appetite and encouraged more by their inaction.
I predict this proclamation WILL STAND, the rule of law will die, and this nation under the Felon's boots becomes a dictatorship of the Trump Clam.
We are an ignorant people. We allowed this to happen to ourselves.
So all the crap skud threw at those of us who defended the pardons, what say you now skud?
We told you that we didn't agree with the pardons but understood them because Trump the dictator was on the way. No no you said (along with the rest of the trolls), you don't know what you're talking about.
Huh, seems like we DID know and DO know what we are talking about.
I'm sure this will play out in the courts like the rest of the EO's from #47 but as far as the optics are concerned?
Just read some high level French politician (jokingly) say since the USA has abandoned the principles enshrined by the Statue of Liberty the USA should giver her back to France. Read more comments agreeing than disagreeing.
Does the Orange King write his own stuff, or is there a 2nd grader on the staff?
The Tangerine Tyrant is above the law and Constitution, thanks to the treacherous Supreme Court majority that immunized him.
THEY should be impeached for their clear offense to our Constitution that replaced the rule of law with rule by one man.
Congress should enact a law that bans presidential immunity as unconstitutional.
But that won't happen. The fascists have taken over.
The rule of law died for presidents when the previous administration ignored giving away tax payers money to rich kids so they don't have to honor their commitments.
It is terrible that trump sends violent criminals back to their country just because they are future democrat voters.
If it was a democrat doing this you would be clapping just like AOC admonishing fellow democrats for passing the budge resolution. She would have preferred it be rejected and allow the government to default. Why were the democrats so in favor of multiple budget resolutions when joey b was at the throne. Was it because there just wasn't enough pork in this one.
Let's remember Grey that Skud called Trump evil, let voted for his enablers.
Moving on from Trump attempting to void the Biden pardons, how should we view the recent dust up on deportations?
For purposes of civil discussion, let's say this...
The group Tren de Aragua is a bad group. But, the Trump admin presented no proof of any laws that had been broken by the people deported and had been ordered to stop the deportations, return the prisoners to US soil and adjudicate the cases of the ppl making sure they had due process.
What is the principle conservatives are standing on here? Multiple US judges ordered this stopped and the Trump Admin refused. His Press Sec said they consider the judicial order an illegal restraint on the presidency.
We are in uncharted territory here. No US president in the modern era has acted as such. Maybe conservatives want this. Fine. They won the election. But explain it constitutionally for us.
Again, as I've asked numerous times, no videos, no links, just your own words. C'mon Joe C, Skud, -FJ, heck, even Tom... can you give us the Constitutional basis for a president defying a judicial order? And for extra credit, would you support a Dem president acting in the same manner Trump is now?
As for the Biden pardons, I would ask this...
Do our MAGA buddies believe the Trump Admin can "void" the pardons issued by President Biden?
A simple yes, or no will suffice.
Because if you do, you should be open and honest about your dislike for the Constitution. At least then we'll know if we're dealing with serious people who will abide by a principle, even when they disagree with the affects of it.
Conservatives have no ethical principals. Whatever ethics they once had went out the windows when they embraced MAGA and The Felon of the USA in 2016.
Your comment is so full of shyte, skud, that I should have flushed it, not published it. But I wanted others to see how easily it is for authoritarians to take over democracies so long as people like you, skud, repeat lies, don't understand what they're talking about, and write nonsense.
I checked to make sure no laws were broken when former Pres. Biden proposed a different student loan policy after the SCOTUS disallowed his first one. The second proposal was ENTIRELY WITHIN THE LAW. If you had taken the time to look before you wrote, you would have known that. Meanwhile, millions of folks like you just shoot off their mouths without verifying what they're saying or writing.
From the link below: "The recent plan has a different legal precedent
Some lawmakers issued statements last week questioning the newest forgiveness action’s legal footing.
For example, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., chair of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, said the Biden administration was “trampling the rule of law” and attempting to “circumvent” the Supreme Court’s recent ruling on loan forgiveness.
Yet, the two actions are grounded in different legal precedents, experts said."
Biden did NOT break any laws when he proposed the second student forgiveness loan.
Trump just recently broke the law by ignoring a legal order from a court of law. That elicited no comment from you! You appear to be the sort of "American" who is okay with law-breaking criminal presidents so long as they're breaking laws YOU don't like.
That sort of reasoning is responsible for the criminal actions Trump is taking even as I write my response to you comment.
As to your unverified claim that Trump is deporting "violent criminals," there is NO EVIDENCE for that, except you repeating what you hear from your biased news sources.
While the facts are that, yes, undocumented people do commit crimes, the rate of criminal actions is actually LOWER for undocumented people than it is for natural American citizens.
And what you probably have forgotten (or, HEAVENS! don't know) is that EVEN UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE ARE ACCORDED DUE PROCESS WHEN ARRESTED. Trump has broken the law in that case as well.
Trump is a criminal running the country like a mobster boss, breaking the laws left and right, and here you are, skud, complaining about the former president WHO BROKE NO LAW with his student forgiveness policy.
FYI, skud:
TRUMP BROKE THE LAW!
"An assistant professor from Brown University’s medical school with a valid visa was deported from the U.S. despite a judge’s order that she was not to be removed.
U.S. District Judge Leo Sorokin, an appointee of former President Obama, was set to hold a hearing Monday after Rasha Alawieh was deported to Lebanon but canceled it shortly before it began. The deportation came after Sorokin said Alawieh, a kidney transplant specialist, was to stay in the country.
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Alawieh was on a H-1B visa that allowed her into the country to work at Brown. The federal government has not said why it is trying to deport her despite her valid visa.
The Hill has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for comment.
The incident comes after the federal government began a deportation crackdown on college campuses starting with Mahmoud Khalil, a green card holder who recently graduated from Columbia University with a master’s degree.
From Steven Sondheim -
"Don't you love farce?
My fault, I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want
Sorry, my dear
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns
Don't bothеr, they're herе"
Good old Skud is exemplifying what Ruth Ben-Ghiat discusses here:
"We are living through processes of moral deregulation and moral collapse in America today under the authoritarian government of President Donald Trump and unelected co-President Elon Musk."
https://lucid.substack.com/p/we-are-living-through-moral-collapse?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=14wjie&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Conscience and empathy, and now justice itself, are totally absent from Skud and his party of fascists.
Soon they'll be singing Hail To Mein Fuhrer and embracing putting non trumpists in prison.
My son, who is no liberal hit the nail on the head.
Democrats need to decide exactly what they stand for, unite behind that, and then proceed with it and an attitude of take no prisoners.
Until the fascist MAGA con and its ignorant leader are put back in their box.
No Skud, when you posted "The rule of law died for presidents when the previous administration ignored giving away tax payers money to rich kids so they don't have to honor their commitments" you were wrong.
As usual, you posted without checking the facts.
Indeed, President Biden tried to get relief for student holders. Leaving aside the politics of that, or your disgust at a president trying to get some relief for ppl who are not millionaires or billionaires, the SCOTUS rebuked him.
Then, as happens in a country observing the "rule of law", the program ended.
Plain and simple. He then tried again in a different way, hoping to pass Constitutional muster. Some of that relief was also ruled unconstitutional. So it was discontinued.
Can you see any difference here?
The Trump Admin is choosing to invoke a Constitutional crisis. They could have simply gone before a judge and said this is what we want to do and we want to do it legally. But they did not. In fact, they skirted the judicial order to then, after receiving the order, to get those guys in the air and claim there was nothing they could do.
Then they said judicial orders on a president are illegal and non binding.
Unless you bring some evidence of the Biden Admin ignoring a SCOTUS or judicial order outright, and claiming those opinions on our laws do not apply to the POTUS, as Trump did, you will remain wrong.
Again... as usual.
Shaw... regarding the deported detainees, here's what one woman wrote...
"THE MEDIA HONESTLY BELIEVES PEOPLE LIKE THOSE ARE MORE VALUABLE AND DESERVE COMFORT MORE THAN THE AMERICANS THEY’VE RAPED, KILLED, ROBBED AND ….."
I assume, based on a few other comments from her that she means us lefty libs as well.
But of course, she's wrong.
No lib, progressive, Dem or bleeding heart lefty wants hardened criminals in their neighborhoods. NONE.
But we do want the law respected and followed.
Not a one of those guys has been found guilty of anything. We have no idea, or at this point proof, that they've done any of the crimes the commenter alleges.
Simply existing is not a crime.
If there is proof, the Trump Admin should be trying them, convicting them and putting them in prison. Then after they have served a long sentence, deporting them.
That's what a country committed to the rule of law would do.
And what should happen.
How anyone who interprets that as supporting criminals in our neighborhoods is beyond me. But here we are.
I agree with your son, Anon.
I read that today and shook my head. Like skud, they get their "news" from Trump-approved sources. She always talks about watching FAUX NOOZ. Need I say anything more?
Those are the same people who called J6 a "kerfluffle." LEOs were beaten and some DIED as a result, members of Congress, Dems and GOPers, were threatened, and Trump's thugs wanted to "HANG MIKE PENCE!"
No mention of that rioting mob of armed thugs against the United States.
But she's very good at posting unverified gossip about undocumented people.
TRUMP's press secretary commenting on the judge's order to turn the plane around that unlawfully deported Venezuelans:
"There are actually questions about whether a verbal order carries the same weight as a written order" -- Leavitt on court orders and Trump's compliance (or lack thereof) with them
There ARE NO QUESTIONS!!! I sometimes wonder if she made it out of grammar school. She is so uninformed on almost every judicial action. But THAT was jaw-droppingly DUMB!!!
Any half-awake person knows this: If a judge orders someone to be held in contempt while they are in the courtroom, the officers don't wait for a written order. Verbal orders by judges on legal matters ARE LAWFUL.
Ms. Leavitt is pathetic. My 15 year-old grandson knows more than she does!
Your grandson likely knows more than two thirds of the Felon of the USA's administration.
The fascist regime of Dotard Trump is bent on radically changing our government from Three Co-Equal branches of government into a government by and for the president and his oligarch buddies with the only real power resting in the executive branch.
It is about time democrats get their s*it together and hit the facists with a full on devastating frontal attack.
Short of that get set for the Forth Reich blossoming in Amerika.
Dave,
"How anyone who interprets that as supporting criminals in our neighborhoods is beyond me."
This is fascism 101. It's all about demonization and dehumanizing those they hate.
Dave, We differ in opinions because the gang members deported were criminals who entered the country illegally by entering the country illegally. He used the Alien enemies law which is on the books.
Biden did a work around the law when he passed the student debt on to the taxpayers because it was the SCOTUS who said he couldn't. The relief you state was just a pass through to the taxpayer which I guess, IYHO is fine.
I do agree with anon 101 in "Democrats need to decide exactly what they stand for". They are united in the we hate trump agenda and we will do whatever we can to see him sink including defaulting on a budget resolution to keep the government paying their bills. They never had a problem with those under biden.
"Oligarchy (from Ancient Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía) 'rule by few'; from ὀλίγος (olígos) 'few' and ἄρχω (árkhō) 'to rule, command') is a form of government in which power rests with a small number of people."
So were bezos, zuckerberg, gates, soros considered oligarch's during the previous administration.
skud: "So were bezos, zuckerberg, gates, soros considered oligarch's during the previous administration."
None of those people you named were part of the Biden administration, unlike Trump whose co-president is the richest man in the world. Trump has billionaires in his cabinet.
The wealth of Trump's current cabinet rivals only that of his first-term cabinet -- which had a combined net worth of $3.2 billion -- and dwarfs the $118 million combined net worth of President Joe Biden's cabinet.
Trump's administration IS a plutocracy run by oligarchs.
No Skud, we don't know if any of the ppl deported were here illegally or were guilty of ANY criminal behavior. Where we differ is in respect for the law. The law states that a person guilty of a civil crime, is not a criminal. And the Trump Admin has stated that multiple times when ppl called the ex-president a criminal after his civil trial.
So the Trump Admin cannot have it both ways. Ppl can criticize the judge all they want. But the law says we must comply until and unless a higher counrt intervenes.
The Trump Admin chose to appeal, again, their right. But they don't get to ignor the law. That amigo, is criminal.
Again, as conservatives have said for years, and I paraphrase, "you may not like the law, but the law is the law. You're free to change it."
As for using the Alien Enemies Act, Trump was ordered to turn the planes around until this could be sorted out. Many judges and legal minds say the AE Act does not apply here. Others disagree. Why would a president whop supposedly loves America choose a path certain to cause division and strife in the USA?
Maybe because as you've stated, Trump is evil?
You tell us.
skud hung out to dry. Again. A quite commonplace occurance for ole skud.
Good God Almighty, it is truly the crazy, drunk, uncle running this country.
skud: "So were bezos, zuckerberg, gates, soros considered oligarch's during the previous administration."
Typical conservative. Make a bunch of sh*t up and swear it's true. I think skud is a narcissist like tRUMP.
Never try to defend yourself against a narcissist.
They already know you're right, they just want you to go crazy trying to prove it.
Dave, I stand by my comment about trump being evil, narcissistic ego driven person but those are just my personal opinion. The choice during the election was the evil one or the one who is a chameleon changes opinions daily. She stood for everything I and 77 million other taxpayers were against. The dems still don't have a leader or a policy.
Trump didn't win, kamala lost.
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