"It's a simple message whether you are a leftist, a liberal, a centrist, a conservative, or a MAGA fan. Your life has value and your political opponent's lives have value too. You can hate your adversaries ideas and you can fight hard for your cause. But the moment we stop seeing each other as human beings and we start concluding that violence is the answer, that's the moment we let the soulless corporations, the ruthless authoritarians and the sociopathic demagogues win."
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Amen!
The problem is that Trump and his people want to take away Americans’ passports who dare speak out against Kirk or anyone else the regime canonizes. That is how authoritarian regimes work.
We can ALL agree wholeheartedly with the words of David Sirota.
Unfortunately the dude running the show and the MAGA syncophants supporting him seem uninterested in understanding this. Let alone acting positively to change the party's positions that are contributing heavily to the growing divisive environment launched bt tRump and his movement.
Did you hear Scott Adams yesterday? Liberal totalitarianism is falling to the technofeudalists. And unless the American people come together and stop this kitsch-ethics bickering, it won't end well. Not for America, and especially, not for the World. You only see the authoritarianism on the Right. You're afraid to look for it where it's ALSO a HUGE problem... on the Left. It's a UniParty. They're only interested in ONE thing. Continuity of Government. And they're winning.
-FJ supported demonization, scapegoating, insurrection, criminal conduct, and political violence by supporting Trump. Now he supports Trump's call for gerrymandering Blacks out of representation.
Can I get an amen?
Meanwhile at the "Stench Trench":
"I've had enough of the hate...No, we don't "need to have a conversation". YOU killed the one guy willing to do that".
Well, EXCUUUUUSE ME!
I can't recall anyone calling for these people to be fired for hating the victim of political violence.
Laura Loomer falsely suggested that Paul Pelosi and his assailant were lovers, calling the brutal assault on the octogenarian a “booty call gone wrong.” Speaking to a television audience a few days after the attack, a grinning Kirk called for the intruder to be sprung from jail.
“If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out,” he said.
Did -FJ say "Amen" to that, too?
When NBC News asked Trump about Democratic megadonor George Soros, who Trump called out during a Friday appearance on "Fox and Friends," Trump responded Soros "should be put in jail" because "he's a bad guy."
"Amen", -FJ?
-FJ is cheering for Adams' call for the destruction of the Democratic Party, because somehow "democrats" shot his beloved vile racist Charlie Kirk.
Shove that bullshit where the sun doesn't shine.
Yeah, a white America with a one-party dictatorship under Trump is exactly what -FJ wants.
Just don't suggest he's a racist fascist. He'll tell you liberals are the real racist fascists and conservative white people are the only victims of racism.
I'm sick of his ilk, to tell you the truth. If he supports Trump's unconstitutional "presidential immunity" granted by corrupt Republicans on the Supreme Court he actively opposes equal justice under law and prefers a dictator.
If he opposes reversing "Citizens United", he's all in for corporate oligarchs buying elections and politicians as they cozy up to the Dictator.
If he opposes ending racial gerrymandering as demanded by Trump, he's a racist.
As Kirk says, "Prove me wrong".
Wasn't in the quote. And no.
I do n’t take information from a cartoonist. As far as I can remember, no Liberal president threatened to take an American’s passport away for using his/ her freedom of speech to speak against another country’s policies. That’s what Trump’s administration is proposing for any American who dares criticizes Israel. And THAT is authoritarianism in all its ugly form.
-FJ posits... "You only see the authoritarianism on the Right. You're afraid to look for it where it's ALSO a HUGE problem... on the Left."
You're not listening, or reading -FJ. Your belief that those of us more liberal folks here have not called out the excesses of our leaders is badly mistaken. Many here pull no punches in criticizing "our side" of the political aisle.
Be that as it may, the great majority of progressive, liberal and Democratic leaders have stood together in denouncing political violence, not argumentation, but real violence, each and every time it has happened.
When Steve Scalise was shot, when Paul Pelosi was hammered, when Josh Shapiro's house was bombed, When Rep Hortman of MN was killed with her husband in her house, when people tried to kill President Trump, when federal buildings were vandalized and police officers injured in the G Floyd riots and when an angry mob sacked the US Capitol and threatened the lives of Vice President Pence and Speaker Pelosi, we all stood and condemned that violence.
Did you? Did President Trump? Did the GOP? Did MAGA?
I could go on, but I am sure you will refuse to accept these truths, so why bother.
Ask yourself this... do you personally believe all political violence is wrong and has no place in American society?
Because judging by his words, and those of his current VP and political supporters, President Trump does not.
I'd like to believe you're a better man.
I believe in Divine Violence (Walter Benjamin term) Dave, not the Kitsch Violence of small minded Democrats, nor the ridiculous "violence" of hateful words. Because I AM that better man. For it is Divine violence which begets the "New Law", not Henry David Thoreau's merely symbolic "Civil Disobedience"
-FJ 's message is essentially, "White is might and might makes right".
This reeks from all his pores.
Bull Shit
Yes -FJ... divine violence. The question becomes, as it does for all religious attempts at orthodoxy and behavior, who decides when "divine violence" is necessary and what level of violence is appropriate.
I'm guessing you do not view Kirk's killing as divine violence. If true, do you see the violence in response to his killing as divine?
"Divine violence" refers to violence attributed to a god or divinity, which can be interpreted as direct physical acts by God (like sending fire) or indirect acts through human or natural agents. The concept is used in theological contexts, where it describes God's judgment or intervention against human sin to promote a greater good or a move away from violence itself, and in philosophy, particularly by Walter Benjamin, to describe a law-destroying, pure power that counters the violence of the legal system."
That's for those who believe in a Divinity. And even those who DO believe in a Divinity often attribute their own prejudices and hatreds to their god's displeasure with its creation.
But violence that doesn't come from natural disasters such as floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc., usually comes from men in power.
So it is whomever is in power who commits violence against a legal system that THEY believe is unjust (and sometimes it IS). The injustice those men in power perceive is sometimes, not always, an injustice that prevents them from imposing their political/religious system on those who disagree with them.
I don't think we should blame/credit gods for the evil OR the good that powerful men do.
Devine Violence - as in the Inquisition centuries?
FJ got me to pondering. He claims being a "MAGA Jew" and pontificates on Christianity. Is he one of we agnostic/atheist types that always score highest in religion/bible tests? Or maybe just a Kirk groupy because 'Kirk' is Scottish
for Church?. Shh, I always liked Frank Church=best politician Idaho produced..
In Walter Benjamin's "Critique of Violence," divine violence is a revolutionary, "law-annihilating" force that operates outside the state's mythic, "law-making" or "law-preserving" violence. It is a pure, absolute, and bloodless violence that seeks to dissolve coercive legal systems in favor of justice, sovereignty of the self, and a new historical era. It is contrasted with mythic violence—the state's capacity to create and maintain its own authority by imposing laws—and is seen as a radical act that can open new possibilities for society.
I'm a Deist who wears the MAGA star like a Jew in 1938 Berlin.
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