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Monday, August 31, 2020



17-year-old charged with homicide after fatal shooting during Kenosha protests, authorities say

This 17 year old, who is not old enough to buy alcohol, vote, or even join the military, joined up with a white supremacist "boogaloo" group, took his firearm to Kenosha, and is accused of killing people who were exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

Trump's own FBI has claimed that white supremacist groups are the most dangerous in America and have been responsible for more terrorist acts than any other groups. 

Kelvin Lashley writes:

"[Trump] has encouraged vigilante white supremacy behavior from the Very first day of his campaign.
He has openly yearned for the “Good ‘Ole days”
And encouraged cops to “NOT BE SO NICE..”
Among other things. As though they were so very nice to minorities before..
You know this. I don’t have to post video clips and quotes of every vile thing that he has said.
But what is even more interesting is this:
The Republicans keep telling you that this is what Joe Biden America will look like.
However, people, use a small piece of common sense.
Not Joe Biden's.
Not Obama's
Not Hillary's
Not Nancy Pelosi's!

Image may contain: 1 person, text that says 'This is 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse. He was just charged with murder for killing two civil rights protesters last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. He's not an immigrant. He's not ISIS. He's not MS-13. He's not "antifa." He is yet ANOTHER homegrown domestic terrorist with an assault rifle. AMERICA, WE HAVE A PROBLEM A WALL WON'T FIX. OCCUPY DEMOCRATS'


Dave Miller said...

SHAW... QUIT the outrage! This kid was a Blue Lives Matter kid and stood up for what he believes.

According to many on the right, I'm sure he should be admired. Tomorrow we're gonna hear that the reason those folks are dead is not because they were shot by a crazed right wing domestic terrorist, but because the protestors pushed that kid too far and he feared for his life.

You think we'll hear anyone on the right calling that guy a thug? A hooligan? Scum? Of course not. They'll cry for mercy cause he's one of theirs. Think they'll demean the entire white race? Of course not. Think they'll call for the death penalty? Not a stinking chance.

It's disgusting.

Dave Miller said...

And as if on cue, we have Tucker Carlson on the 17 year old killing two ppl in Kenosha, Wisconsin...

"Tucker Carlson on Wednesday rallied to the defense of vigilante kid Kyle Rittenhouse, who allegedly shot and killed two protesters in Kenosha, Wisc., on Tuesday night, telling his Fox News viewers that the 17-year-old merely “decided to maintain order when no one else would.”

What did I tell you Shaw?

You think Carlson would ever find a case where a black man in a protest could shoot two random ppl and justify it?

Shaw Kenawe said...

Dave, that kid crossed state lines to commit mayhem and murder. There's no way to justify what he did. And there's no way to explain why police officers let him walk away from killing two people and wounding one.

We are a sick, sick, sick country, and these horrible killings show it.

Tucker Carlson apparently supports extra-judicial killings, so long as it's done by white people. He's a pathetic human being and should lose his job.

Dave Miller said...

Black person looking at a BB gun in an Ohio Walmart gets shot dead by cops. White guy with semi automatic rifle shoots 2 people in Wisconsin, in front of police and walks away.

And yet there's no racism, no profiling, no unfair treatment or any other problems with the way people of color are treated by police.


Rational Nation USA said...

Get Your Peanuts, Popcorn, Crackerjacks... Get Your Peanuts, Popcorn, Crackerjacks... Get Your Peanuts, Popcorn, Crackerjacks... While America, and its formerly rational condition (for the most part) rapidly disintegrates into the chaotic maelstrom of advanced Trumpism.

Thank you Donald J. Trump FOR NOTHING!

Dave Miller said...

RN, Shaw, Ray, and the rest of you guys...

When is President Trump even going to mention Jacob Blake? When will the crazy folks who said if people weren't out protesting, no one would've been shot just go all the way and finish the thought...

If black folks weren't in majority white cities, they wouldn't get shot either.

Great logic Tucker Carlson...

The Honorable, Esteemed And Distinguished Judge Dervish Sanders (A High IQ Bourgeois Elitist) said...

Re "Donald Trump's America"... good news! Dotard endorsed Joe Biden in his RNC nomination acceptance speech. Quote: "...we can never have a situation where things are going on as they are today...". Why we must elect Joe Biden!

The Honorable, Esteemed And Distinguished Judge Dervish Sanders (A High IQ Bourgeois Elitist) said...

Re Dave Miller's comment about Jacob Blake... He was going for a knife (that is the republican talking point). The bullets in the back were for a future crime. Exhibit one in the trial will be the officer's minority report (written before he responded to the call). That's how the cop knew he would be stabbed unless he defended himself.

skudrunner said...

Rev, You did not speak the way you were suppose to. It is not racism but systemic racism which means everyone is racist including you.

Instead of a rush to de-fund police why not a rush to hire more, hire better candidates by paying them more and train them better. How many police departments require a college degree. How many have an advance degree program. My guess if few yet we place our safety and lives in the hands of a high school graduate with minimal requirements and training.

Now we make the police the target and are surprised when they don't act correctly. We are not a lawless society but we seem to be headed that way. I am not sure anyone wants us to emulate our southern neighbor. We are close to them in political corruption and our lack of respect for the law is not far behind.

When a cop tells you to stop why don't you and after he repeatedly asks you to stop why would you reach into a car for something he cannot see. Horrible what happened and also horrible what caused it.

Rational Nation USA said...

Systemic racism means there is racism embedded in some of our institutions. It does not mean everybody is racist. On a different note everybody does have some biases or predudices skudrunner.

Anonymous said...

It sounds absurd to say it, but America is in the process of choosing whether to be a white nationalist fascist state or an inclusive democracy. That's not hyperbole, that's just where we are.

Dave Miller said...

Skud... excusing your comments above which my puny little mind can't understand, let me say this...

You posted "How many police departments require a college degree. How many have an advance degree program."

I will say that every liberal I know would support this. 100%. But the right, most conservatives will not. That's the crew that believes education is a plot of the elite education indoctrination science denying crowd.

It's a great idea, pure and simple. And has been advocated by us lefties for awhile.

But... if a cop tells you to stop, and you are running away, especially when no crime has been committed, he cannot shoot you. Pure and simple. If the cop does not have the critical reasoning to discern this, he should not be a cop.

Joshua Billsford said...

If you ry believe that then You will be VERY surprised when the FACTS COME OUT.

skudrunner said...

Rev, I have never seen any statistics about people being for or against police having a college degree either liberal or conservative so that was not a very responsible response. According to the Bureau of Justice only one percent of departments require a four year degree.

Everything does not have to be hate filled against one party or another, sometimes it just makes sense and this is one topic that makes sense.
You must associate with a unique crowd if they believe education is a plot. My suggestion is to acquire different associates.

Actually RN you were close because it refers to the system and I don't subscribe to the belief that the entire system is racist. Yes there are some but they are in the minority for all races black, brown and white. I agree with your statement that everyone has some biases some don't even like Southerners if you can believe that.

Anon, I know the media professes trump to be a racist but what proof do you have. Say it enough and people will believe it to be true but it still may not be.

Anonymous said...

To the skudrun the proof of Trumps racism is the fact that him and his father were sued by the feds for discriminating against black people wanting to rent apartments the trumps owned. They LOST. These are facts. Trump also claimed he could not get a fair trial in his Trump university scam suit because the trial judge was Mexican. The trial judge was born in American to Mexican parents. Paul Ryan said that statement by Trump was racist in itself. There’s other things trumps said and done that shows his racism.

You people don’t like to remember his blatant words and actions that show his racism because you probably agree with his disgusting racism.

Dave Miller said...

Skud... not specifically related to police and education, but the link between the GOP and not favoring education is long established. Besides the anecdotal evidence available by visiting the Mothership where you frequent, there's
this survey from Pew...

Is this more responsible?

skudrunner said...

Rev, Statistics are great things but since I am an independent I cannot side with your belief. I do not believe everyone should get a college degree because trades may be a better choice. Now to my opinion about requiring police to have a degree you seem vague because you just turned your response into a hate republican and me rant. I can't comment on the mothership since I don't know what that is.

Anon 1541, So now our choices are a lying, narcissistic racist who is not a career politician but has accomplished what he said he would or a racist who has been a career politician for 45+ years and has never accomplished anything. Not great choices for the American people.

Shaw Kenawe said...

So skud, you're right there with the liars in the Trumpublican Party, are you?

You just parrot what you hear in your bubble and never do any research. You lied when you stated Joe Biden never accomplished anything. Saying that doesn't make it so, no matter how many times you repeat that lie. But I do note how, like Trump, you are willing to spread falsehoods, hoping they'll catch someone who's not willing to challenge you.


Spreading lies and disinformation is a Trumpublican value. You should get a medal for your fierce dedication to it.

Meanwhile, you say nothing of the civil unrest, job losses, unemployment, and almost 200,000 thousand American lives lost all during Trump's almost 4 years on the job. And you have nothing to say about Trump's PROMISE over a month ago to Chris Wallace that he would have a "complete healthcare plan" in two weeks.

It apparently doesn't bother Trumpers when he blatantly bullshits the American people. Either they don't care or they don't know the difference between the truth and bullshit.

Sadly, that's why he's the president.

Dave Miller said...

Skud... I thought I was pretty clear... here's what I wrote regarding police and degrees...

"I will say that every liberal I know would support this. 100%. It's a great idea, pure and simple. And has been advocated by us lefties for awhile."

Also, I don't think I said everyone needed to go to a four year college or university. Learning a trade is great and here in Las Vegas, a guy who gets into the local sheet metal trade program, through the College of Southern Nevada, will graduate and start at 80k annually. And never have to leave Vegas.

That's a great career.

As for your reticence about data, polls and research, I hear your criticism from many people all the time. I'll ask you the same thing I ask them... then where can we turn for information? What will you trust?

Finally, you in fact do travel on the Mothership, or as you may know it Geeez.

Some of us would comment there ourselves, but liberal views and pushback are not welcome or permitted. In fact, that blog used to be on blogspot too, but switched to Wordpress so the host wouldn't even have to see liberal comments if she didn't want to.

That's the person who is hoping and praying that the checks signed by Donald Trump to porn star Stormy Daniels, that have already been entered into evidence in Congress, that have been published in the media, don't exist because it could look bad for him.

It's the Mothership of Denial.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Yeah, I think it was Ray or "Doctor Tomato" who pasted one of skud's comments from the Mother Ship that was highly insulting to liberals. Anyway, skud is a frequent sailor on that Ship. The blog mistress does not allow any opposing views. Ever. They're all very smug in their devotion to Trumpism.

I do recall during the Obama administration that she allowed one of her frequent commenters to openly call for the assassination of President Obama.

Nice folks.

They approve of Trump, who is everything Christianity tells its followers NOT to be. But the president who was faithful and loyal husband and father and who never had to pay off a porn star or extort a foreign government to get dirt on his opponents, or use the White House as a campaign backdrop, that guy earns nothing but contempt from those fine Christian folks on the Mother Ship.

Fed up said...

Oddly enough, a Christian group raised 200,000 dollars for a 17 year old white supremacist terrorist killer, but not a dime for a father of three who was shot seven times in his back by a cop. So much for all the lies about their Christianity. It’s has always been a big lie.

Dave Miller said...

Fed Up... they raised 200K for a killer who left his house, crossed state lines, illegally brandished a firearm and then killed two people who posed him no mortal danger. And never would have had he stayed in his bedroom at home dreaming of, instead of participating in mayhem.

And I had to work double time to raise 15K to feed a group of villages in Mexico ravaged by the Covid-19 pandemic and shutdown.

Fed Up said...

@Dave M.

Now I'm doubly Fed UP!

Anonymous said...

There is no justification for a 17-year-old to take weapon, any weapon, across state lines to the site of a protest. That is not self-defense. That is called hunting. Trump is insane for excusing what Rittenhouse did, but it's red meat for his cultists.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"The history of Nazis holding rallies in left-wing areas of Weimar Germany, instigating street fights, and then telling the press that only they could save Germany from the "violent communists" seems like an important thing for people to be studying right now."

skudrunner said...

Rev, Somehow I have trouble with every liberal you know supports higher education for police. Don't you associate with people with differing opinions. That's like being on a board where everyone has the same opinion, boring.
You do realize there are a lot of needy in this country. Take Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada. I would rather see my donations go to people in our own country but how can I offer support to your organization if I want.

Ms. Shaw, Thanks for setting me straight on all the bills co-sponsored by joey. That is almost one a year which is exemplary. I have to say I never called for harm to obama. I stated he was one of the most ineffective swell guy presidents to ever occupy the office but I never wished him harm.

Now why is congress so interested in checks written to a porn star that they are entered into record. Seems to be a big waste of time.

It is good to see joey come out of the basement. Is he ever going to answer questions from the press of just read his prepared speech and leave. I know you are fine with an incompetent occupying the office but most people are not. I say that with a bit of reticence because obama got elected twice.

Anonymous said...

PLEASE, Joe Biden incompetent? Trump makes Biden look like a member of Mensa. Per Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist from the Washington Post on the Laura Ingraham interview with trump:

In concocting his tale, Trump fantasized of “people that you’ve never heard of, people that are in the dark shadows.” Ingraham, as though trying her best to stop his self-immolation, responded, “That sounds like conspiracy theory.” No luck. Trump continued: “They are people that are on the streets, they’re people that are controlling the streets. We had somebody get on a plane from a certain city this weekend. And in the plane, it was almost completely loaded with thugs, wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms, with gear and this and that.” This is simply bonkers.
Ingraham then stopped him from digging himself a deeper hole when he suggested police who kill unarmed people are akin to a golfer missing a three-foot putt. “But they choke, just like in a golf tournament, they miss a three-foot [putt],” Trump said. Ingraham leaped in: “You’re not comparing it to golf, because that’s what the media [would say].” In other words, actual reporters would recognize what he was saying was morally offensive and so lacking in self-awareness as to suggest Trump cannot even fake normal behavior.
Trump had no one around him on Tuesday to stage an intervention, so he repeated his gibberish: "A person was on a plane, said there were about six people like that person, more or less, and what happened is the entire plane filled up with the looters, the anarchists, rioters — people that were obviously looking for trouble,” Trump insisted. “And the person felt very uncomfortable on the plane.” He added: "This would be a person you know. So I will see whether or not I can get that person. I’ll let them know, and I can see whether or not I can get that person to speak to you,” he said. “This was a firsthand account of a plane going from Washington to wherever.” “Wherever” is the sort of filler you use when your lie becomes too absurd to add anymore detail.
The unparalleled Daniel Dale from CNN dubbed Trump’s people-on-the-plane story as “almost too stupid to fact-check,” before issuing a reminder that Trump is infamous for his unfounded and bizarre conspiracy theories (e.g., former president Barack Obama wasn’t born in America; windmills cause cancer).


Rational Nation USA said...

It is what they should be studying Shaw. But we know they won't. Instead they'll double down on stupid.