Trump's cultists are giddy with excitement because the Strait of Hormuz was reopened.
The strait was freely open BEFORE Trump started his Holy Iran War! His war with Iran closed it!
Iran is now charging vessels $2 million to go through the strait. It was free before Trump's war.
And now, according to reports, it's closed again:
Trump's Press Secy., Karoline Leavitt:
Karoline Leavitt: "Lebanon is NOT part of the ceasefire agreement".
FACT: The PM of Pakistan, who mediated the ceasefire, tweeted out that it WAS included. He's literally the one who witnessed the deal.
Either she's deliberately lying or is stupidly incompetent.
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She's both. As well as an outstanding ass kisser.
If you believe the swell guy did anything other than give iran permission to advance their nuclear prorgam and gave them billions to do it then you will believe anything as long as obama is involved. Trump is a self absorbed idiot who's only achievement is to wave his saber then go back into the weeds so he has no accomplishments either.
Obama and the current democrats must support the mass murder of dissidents because that is what iran does. Remember the murdered are not innocent infants and the unborn but dissidents. You must approve of a regime who puts children around areas to be bombed because women and children just don't matter.
We know that it is impossible for you, skud, to come here and criticize the Trump administration's blunders without trashing the POTUS who's been out of office for almost TEN years! And so your comment didn't surprise me, but it is still annoying. So here, for the umteenth time, are the facts, which seem to be anathema to you:
"Debunking Viral Claims
Obama Didn’t Give Iran ‘150 Billion in Cash’
Quick Take
A viral meme distorts the facts about the Iran nuclear agreement. The deal, approved by six countries and the European Union, gave Iran access to its own frozen assets.
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As a candidate during the 2016 campaign, President Donald Trump criticized the international agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear weapons’ program — formally called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — that had been adopted the year before. He suggested that the U.S. had returned $150 billion to Iran as part of the deal.
That’s not true. We’ve written about this issue before. PolitiFact and the Washington Post have, too.
But Trump has repeated the claim as recently as December, when he tweeted: “The Democrats and President Obama gave Iran 150 Billion Dollars and got nothing, but they can’t give 5 Billion Dollars for National Security and a Wall?”
Trump’s bogus claim now has been repeated in a meme that references the president’s declaration of a national emergency to redirect federal funds for a proposed wall on the southern border.
The meme, which has been shared 149,000 times on Facebook, mentions the recent lawsuit brought against the Trump administration by 16 states to block the national emergency. The meme says: “So, when Obama bypassed the Congress while giving Iran 150 billion in cash, how many States had sued him?”
First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.
The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.
Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under secretary of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.
The part that the meme gets right, though, is that the deal didn’t get congressional approval. The Obama administration had maintained that the agreement wasn’t a treaty, which would have required approval by the Senate. Republicans did try to block the deal, but they weren’t able to get enough support to pass the legislation in the Senate.
However, the U.S. is now no longer part of the deal. Trump pulled out in May 2018."
Trump is a liar, and skud one of his loyal sheeple. Never calls out the malignant narcissist trump for his egregious falsehoods. But always runs the bogus stories that fit the trump narrative.
And you will spread rumors and disinformation, as long as it concerns former President Obama
democrats must support the mass murder of dissidents because that is what iran does
Has unleashing holy hell on Iran changed that? By your logic, if we don't attack Russia, North Korea or a number of other countries that execute their dissidents you must be in favor of it.
You must approve of a regime who puts children around areas to be bombed because women and children just don't matter.
No. You must approve of blowing them up at school before they can occupy a bridge or surround a power plant.
Again, by your logic, you approve of spending $1B a day, shedding U.S. and innocent Iranian blood, alienating our allies, causing world wide economic pain in the service of one mans ego. Tell us what have we gained.
I'll take a guess here, Craig, that skud will not answer you.
Well at least Skud made it through a comment without a blast at immigrants...
Craig... that's how Skud argues. He does not quote your words showing what he claims you support, instead, he twists your words into a pretzel logic of looniness.
So as to absolve himself and the Trump enablers in society of any and all responsibility for the admins actions.
Ms. Shaw, You are the one who brought obama into the conversation. He was so good that he asked russia for help with his line in the sand and then oops. He released millions in the middle of the night to iran because what, he felt they would not build nuclear weapons?
FYI, I think attacking iran was not just and was stupid. We should not try to police the world just because we think we are right. If you will reflect back to the -H- and kamala they both said something needs to be done with iran.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said at a Brookings event today, “the United States will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon.” yet what did obama do?
Craig, After trump, the US has no allies because he is all about trump and his ego.
Dave, I have never said anything derogatory about immigrants, illegals yes but I have never said anything bad about them. BTW, my wife is a legal immigrant and we are a nation of immigrants so why would I.
Craig... that's how Skud argues.
Dave, Skud never presents an argument, just silly accusations.
I'd never accuse him of being a deep thinker.
"Whether Iran got a nuclear weapon because of President Obama is a subject of intense political debate, but based on the terms of the 2015 agreement and assessments from experts, the claim that the deal "gave" Iran a nuclear weapon is false." --AI Overview
Skud... you are constantly snarky towards people here without documentation and immigrants seeking asylum. You call them illegals. No one is illegal Skud. People come here illegally, are here illegally, are here without papers [WOPS] and without documentation. Sometimes they do bad things or commit crimes, but they are not illegal.
No one is illegal. Not you, your wife, me, my friends in the states without papers, no one. We're just people.
But this is a good exercise. Because I know you know the term illegal for people is offensive, much like ni##er is for many. Knowing that, why do you choose to use that term? Why not just strike the offensive term from your lexicon? Or do you receive value personally when you use a term that is offensive to others?
Of course it's false.
The only damn reason the ME is distrustful of the West, and the USA especially, is because of our own ignorance and the treatment by western colonial Empires. It is only natural that Iran would distrust the USA and the West. Afterall, the USA and Zionist Israel have been connected at the hip since 1948. And Zionism wants all Muslims either subservient to Israeli hegemony in the ME or dead.
It is way past time for the West, especially the USA, to look into the mirror, and to do so with honesty, not ego centered selfish self interests.
Will this happen? Likely not. Certainly not until trump and his regime of Zionist supporters and Palestinian haters are gone.
People who entered the US illegally are illegals. People who commit a crime are criminals and we could go on and on but few refer to those who crossed illegally as people without proper papers.
Well, by way of analogy: If one believes in the creative force of a divine creator, one who created humankind in its own image (i suspect that includes skud) then wouldn't calling certain groups of people, who the divine creator would have also created, illegal also imply the divine creator is illegal?
Just saying.
Life is not illegal. Therefore no life can be determined illegal. Only actions prohibited by human law are illegal.
skud, why does it give you pleasure to refer to some people as illegal? As if their life, their very existence is illegal.
Dave, You of all people should know better than insult Italians. I do await your response what we should call criminals and sex offenders and several other name people are given. People are not illegal is such an in phrase and I know you can do better.
I do bow to the enlightened one in the group for he is all knowing but even he steps down to the in phrase and I do think he can do better as well.
Skud posted... "People who entered the US illegally are illegals."
No Skud, they are not. That term is considered by many to be dehumanizing, derogatory, and a tool for marginalization, as it labels a person's existence as illegal rather than their actions.
You may not accept that, and that is your right. But just as Shaw will not accept people using slurs for Italians, African Americans, Polish people and more, I hope she makes the decision to block any comments from you using that term.
It's just as easy and not derogatory to use terms like "undocumented immigrant," "unauthorized immigrant," or "people living in the country without legal permission". All of these focus on actions as opposed to existence.
As for how many people use the above terms, as well as "without proper papers", I do not doubt you do hear those term very often. Because I am pretty sure most of your friends share your viewpoints.
You can choose Skud to be less offensive. It's fully your decision. Maybe you don't care if you offend your fellow man with slurs. I have no idea why anyone would make such a decision, but some do.
You can do better... will you?
Getting back to the theme of the post, does China sending weapons to Iran concern anyone?
Doing "better" requires A) Keeping an inquisitive non judgemental mind. B) The willingness to look deeply into oneself, peeling back the layers of onion. C) A desire to transcend duality to recognize what the Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Guru Nanek, Lao Zu, and all the great spiritual masters taught us. D) As well as an actual desire to see reality as it is which becomes the catalyst for change.
And skud, If you were refering to me I am far from enlightened. I merely try to walk the path that all great spiritual masters pointed to. And, I hope, someday, that I acheive the full realization of non duality that really is the home of an enlightened being. It is were Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Guru Nanek, and many other enlightened masters dwell.
I will judge and say you can do better. For that is a judgemental only you can make.
Namaste...
Meanwhile, as the Middle East unravels, our POTUS Trump is having a night out at UFC. Instead of focusing on America's war in Iran, being in the White House incase his negotiating team needs him on a secure line, Trump is at a frickin' UFC fight night.
My gosh, if you're a conservative and don't think if Obama had done this you would not be screaming at the top of your lungs about how wrong this is, you'd be a lying idiot.
Will any of you, and I'm thinking of the Toms, Skuds, -FJs, Joe Cs and the sailors at the Mothership step up and say it? Will you say what you know to be true? That either Trump cares not one whit about the USA, or he's too stupid to know being at a UFC event while the US is at war and our soldiers are at risk, is a bad look.
Trump creates and lives in his own dualistic world of illusions and self manufactured delusions. In other words he is apparently incapable of recognizing reality.
And so, millions of Americans struggle, the result of his misguided stupid decisions.
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