Powers of the president
The president does not have absolute authority over a state's National Guard. According to federal law, including the Insurrection Act, a president can only deploy the National Guard to a state without a governor's request or consent under specific conditions.
Legal experts have stated that using the Insurrection Act to intervene in local crime is a stretch of presidential authority.
Governor J.B. Pritzker of Illinois has also spoken out against potential federal troop deployments to Chicago, emphasizing that no emergency has warranted such a move.
TRUMP: "We're going in. I didn't say when, but we're going in."
Trump has previously called Chicago a "hellhole" and "the worst and most dangerous city in the world.
That is a damnable lie by America's damnable lying liar. (Chicago isn't even in the top ten list below).
The Top Ten Most Dangerous Cities in the US
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The president of the US saying, literally, "we're going in" in reference to sending the military to an American city for no reason beyond terrorizing the local population should be the most immediately impeachable offense imaginable.
It's an INVASION, against the will of the people;
An abuse of authority for political reasons;
There is no emergency, no request.
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Based on recent data, Chicago and Los Angeles are frequently cited as the cities with the highest total number of murders in the United States.
Based on what the mayor has said he does not believe black lives matter since 94 % of homicides in chicago are minorities. I don't want to see federal troops being used in cities but if I lived on the south side of chicago I may feel differently.
CPD says 58 people shot, 8 killed, over holiday weekend
1 day ago — weekend shooting incidents. READ MORE: https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/labor-day-weekend-brings-violence-as-chicago-
Why are you so against protecting American citizens. Is your answer that is is unlawful because that isn't an issue with undocumented and uninvited people crossing the border. I'm sure it is not because trump is the one doing it.
What data skud, and please be specific because the article thoughtfully provided by Shaw disagrees with your 'feelings' and they have the data which you lack.
You keep asking the question, why are you so against protecting American citizens? Only person you are asking/accusing is the strawman you invented because debating real people who have the evidence is hard because we talk back, unlike your ideal strawman, or strawperson to be accurate.
Turning the table I'd ask the same of you skud. Why are you so against the very policies proven time and again to reduce crime? Mental Health support? You say nay. Ensuring food security? Nope says you skud. But mention firearms or a fascist takeover and you are A-OK with what has never worked, will never work but somehow you continue to believe more guns and authoritarianism will work because... (checks notes, looks deeper, gets out the data, understands you'll ignore whatever facts are inconvenient to your own narrative and continues the post) reasons?
And there it is skud, in the last line of your comment, your carrying water for a felon, a convicted sexual predator, and based on the evidence provided by the victims of Epstein, definitely in the Epstein client files of men who like to prey on children.
You own all of that skud with your defense of the orange POTUS. And by the way, not one peep from you about Trumps failing health. NOT. ONE. Guess your both sides are the same is as much a lie as your attempts to distance yourself from your support of the felon.
Pathetic.
Why don't you care about the genocide in Palestine (well over 60 thousand innocent children, women, and non combatant men killed by Zionist butchers), a true crime against humanity. Brutal Zionist (and Christian supported) murder of innocents. Your malignant narcissist felon tRump is highly supportive of genocide of innocent people. Just because they don't look like him.
Your rRumpublican party that you support is evil to its core.
I've never stated that Chicago doesn't have problems with crime. Any large American city has problems with violence and crime because we are a country that is drowning in firearms, so our cities at any given time will reflect that.
Memphis, Tennessee, and St. Louis, Missouri, have high crime rates, actually higher than Chicago's, so why isn't Trump going into those cities?
I'd like skud to answer that. Why is Trump going after cities being run by Black Democratic mayors? Hmmmm? (LA, DC, Chicago).
"Without citing any evidence, Trump claimed in a Truth Social post that Chicago is the “murder capital” of the world. However, CNN host John Berman disputed this claim on Tuesday, noting that Chicago is not even included in the top 10 U.S. cities with the worst violent crime rates.
The states with the highest homicide rates per 100,000 people are Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama, according to 2023 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. California Gov. Gavin Newsom told Trump last week to send troops to those Republican-led states instead."
Can you at least agree, skud, that crime and violence is not just a problem in Democratic-run cities, and that what Trump is doing -- sending the military to take over Democratic cities -- is a punishment to those cities for not voting for the little convicted felon/sexual assaulter, who is in the Epstein files along with other rich, famous, and powerful men who sexually assaulted children.
Yada, Yada, Yada...
Ms. Shaw, If your theory holds truth than Memphis should be on his list because young is indeed black. Murder capital was not an overstatement. Chicago had 573 in 2024 compared to second place NYC at 377. He never said per 100,000 which you state he said murders.
Grey, I don't defend trump but statistics can be deceiving and what was said was inaccurate. Granted mental health is a large reason for someone to kill someone else but I doubt food security is high on the list. How many instances have alarms been sounded by those around murders that are ignored because it is unlawful to take action. Policies that are very proven are stop and frisk, increase law enforcement presence both of which you have issues with.
I haven't seen proof of his failing health but at his age it wouldn't surprise me because most people over 70 have health issues. Do you support term limits for our elected elite?
I support the right to own and carry a firearm but the idea of a fascist takeover is a real stretch. Is it not a takeover to demand citizens to carry health insurance and take a vaccine or be punished.
Center for public safety rochester institute of technology.
As someone very close to the DC border and being part of many Facebook and Next Door groups that ARE in DC, I can tell you that all the Feds are doing is harassing people of color. One woman provided a video of a "checkpoint" on the border of DC with my town one night near a McDonalds. It was very clear that the Feds waved through the white people in their cars but stopped every person with dark skin and asked to see their driver's license or other papers.
The Park Police now can chase cars at random having initiated at least 10 car chases that have resulted in 6 crashes in DC (According to the Washington Post). The chases were all for traffic stops for nonviolent crimes (expired tags, tinted windows, etc). DC Police can only chase when a driver is putting other lives in danger or they are suspected of having committed a violent crime.
How about the Feds walking patrols in the actual dangerous neighborhoods of DC. That has not happened. They are stationed at monuments and patrolling areas where there is an active nightlife scene. They are NOT WANTED and NOT APPRECIATED.
Skud... given that our laws require hospitals to treat people regardless of ability to pay, why shouldn't we force people to have insurance?
When Joe Schmoe goes into the ER, gets evaluated, admitted and hopefully cured, if he has no money, who pays that bill? You and I do through fee increases.
What's your mechanism for making sure that does not happen, if insurance is not mandatory?
How about a guy with no insurance who drops on a sidewalk as he suffers a heart attack or a seizure? The EMTs show up, check him out and transport him. How does that bill get paid?
You see how this goes?
Seriously, let's think on this. Is it wrong to require car insurance.
I think I'm all for 100% voluntary health insurance if you can assure me those people will not be a burden on the system and never access more care than they can pay for. But there's no way to do that, is there?
Now, as it relates to Chicago... I watched an interview with the Mayor of Chicago in which he was asked if he could have an additional 5000 police, fully funded AND his preferred anti crime social programs, would he accept those officers. His answer was a non answer. He did not want to say yes.
The interviewer, Joe Scarborough did everything he could to get some sort of answer from the Mayor, but he flatly refused to say whether or not more police, in addition to the other programs he desired, would be good.
His nervousness was amazing. His people want more cops. Ppl like Rev Al Sharpton are calling for more, and better, police. Yet the Mayor, watching his city suffer through murder after murder and gunshot injury after gunshot injury, could not bring himself to say yes.
Why?
There were 58 ppl shot Labor Day Weekend, 8 fatally.
What can be done to stop this?
"Guns used in crimes in Chicago primarily come from other states with less stringent gun laws, trafficked through a network of legal and illegal sales. Interstate gun trafficking, often through straw purchasers who buy guns legally and then illegally resell them, is a major source of firearms.
A 2017 Chicago Gun Trace Report showed that roughly 60% of crime guns recovered in the city were initially purchased in another state.
The primary sources of these illegally trafficked guns include:
Neighboring states. Indiana is a primary source due to its close proximity and less restrictive firearm laws compared to Illinois. A 2017 study found that about 21% of crime guns confiscated by Chicago police were traced back to gun shops in Indiana. Neighboring states like Wisconsin and Missouri have also been cited as common sources."
We have a gun problem in this country.
Why is Trump going after Chicago and its crime rate?
Why doesn't he and the rest of the Republicans handle the gun slaughters they way they handle these tragedies when people are killed in churches, temples, mosques, schools, theaters, malls, and concerts? Just say that's the price we have to pay to keep our sacred 2nd Amendment right! And offer the mayors of blue cities where crimes are being committed his thoughts and prayers? That how he and Republicans react to gun tragedies, isn't it?
No one actually believes Trump and his administration care about the lives lost in blue cities and states. Remember, Trump has called Democrats "enemies of the state," and has said that he "hates them."
His threats to send the NG into blue cities and states is nothing more than a way for him to exert control and power over his perceived "enemies." It has NOTHING to do with his concern about crime.
Trump is a convicted criminal, so no one's surprised that he behaves like a mob boss threatening people who are not part of his mob.
I want to show you how these things can get out of hand when the Feds are involved. I'm copying from a Facebook thread an eyewitness account at what happened at a local high school football game last Friday. The person did not identify themselves for fear of retaliation.
"I’m writing to clarify the details of a very unsafe situation brought about by the federal governments escalation of force in the district.
On Friday the 29th, Coolidge High school hosted a football game. Almost immediately, an MPD helicopter began to buzz the neighborhood at low altitude. Multiple neighbors than began to investigate what was happening when agents from FBI, HSI, ATF, US Secret Service (as well as MPD) began to swarm the school. I would estimate there were about 50 to 60 of them. Rumors began to swirl that this was an immigration raid (with a large crowd now largely confined to a closed field). In reality, high school kids had begun fighting, leading to the rest of the game being cancelled.
While the Feds were there, and as misinformation was spreading, no less than 3 small stampedes occurred (about 30 – 40 kids at any given time). Additionally,
Federal agents were not forthcoming with any information about why they were there and were seen on multiple occasions yelling at teachers and threatening to arrest them (for trespassing, which they weren’t). Most clearly had no idea what they were doing there and their presence, shouting, threatening and generally not taking any lead in the situation could have unnecessarily led to real physical harm. They were not doing crowd control (as they likely have no experience in this), but were actually the agents of chaos themselves.
When most kids had left, the Feds left. However, multiple children continued to be harassed by officers to leave. What they failed to realize was that the kids were waiting for buses – buses that weren’t coming because they had blocked streets for half a mile in all directions. Rather than allowing the traffic through so people could leave, they instead turned up all sirens to max levels in order to hurt the eardrums of anyone they had then trapped.
This is exactly the situation community members have feared could quickly grow out of hand. The feds have no experience with crowd control or neighborhood policing, create unsafe environments when called in by MPD, and MPD tries to match the bravado of ICE agents by acting like crass bullies.
This was a highschool football fight – something I think local police have been dealing with in every town since the history of highschool football rivalries. Why the ATF needed to get involved while armed to the teeth and wearing tacticool plate carriers is beyond comprehension. MPD should have handled the situation alone, dispersed the game and got on with their night – not call in their friends in the Fed to create a multi hour, near riot in the neighborhood."
"Guns used in crimes in Chicago primarily come from other states with less stringent gun laws"
So if the guns come from a different state the crime doesn't count? Increase in police/law enforcement visibility will reduce crime. That is a proven concept.
I would favor an increase in local law enforcement that the use of military troops which goes back to the civil rights protests.
David in answer to you question, increase in police presence, eliminate sanctuary cities, eliminate no bail and judges and prosecutors who do there job.
"Guns used in crimes in Chicago primarily come from other states with less stringent gun laws"
So if the guns come from a different state the crime doesn't count? Increase in police/law enforcement visibility will reduce crime. That is a proven concept.
That's a leap only YOU and your singular way of reasoning would make. No one here even HINTED at that conclusion. But there you go again.
Here are the facts:
"Trump has been accused of illegally freezing or terminating billions of dollars in federal funding for law enforcement and other public safety programs that had been directed by Congress.
Targeted program cuts: In 2025, his administration reportedly terminated hundreds of grant awards from the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs (OJP), amounting to an estimated $500 million. These grants supported a variety of state and local public safety functions, including policing, victim services, and crime prevention.
Criticism from law enforcement: The recent moves have caused frustration among some in the law enforcement community who rely on federal grant money for equipment, training, and violence prevention efforts."
And here is another anecdote from dystopian dc:
"I thought I would share an absurd story that just happened tonight in 16th Street Heights, on Arkansas Avenue.
At around 10pm tonight (Wed.), a vehicle was stopped by the police. Within a minute, 5 other law enforcement vehicles arrived, including unmarked vehicles with FBI agents, a vehicle from Customs and Border Protection, and several MPD vehicles. Altogether, there were about 15 law enforcement individuals loitering outside on the street side.
It turns out that this impressive display of law enforcement was done simply because they had stopped a vehicle with tinted windows. After issuing a ticket, the vehicle left, as did the mighty army of law enforcement.
Glad to see our tax dollars being put to such good use! :-)”
Thank you Possumlady for this information on how the Trump administration is wasting tax payers’ money. This is all performative to distract from the Epstein files.
Ms. Shaw, Your first effort to justify the murders in chicago is to say the guns weren't from the state but other states. That was not a leap from me but a quote from you. Regarding cutting funds I went to an unbiased source.
https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/NEW: 100 Days In, Trump is Blocking At Least $430 Billion Dollars in Funding Owed to American People.
That is not just law enforcement but many other programs. I am all for providing funds for things that are needed for the American people, like a couple billion for harvard and birth control. Maybe if the government didn't waste so much on their pet projects we could protect our citizens. It is interesting that the previous president said he couldn't do anything about the illegals and within one month it was corrected.
One of the issues I have is the previous administration wasted billions on their own agenda that helped no one but their billionaire doners.
skudrunner
"Ms. Shaw, Your first effort to justify the murders in chicago is to say the guns weren't from the state but other states."
Stating facts about where guns come from is NOT a justification for murders, it's bringing facts to the discussion. Maybe those facts are not what you want to read? But the fact that red states have lax gun law DOES contribute to the killing and mayhem that those lax gun laws cause in states that have better gun laws on the books. Is that too nuanced for understanding?
skud: "Maybe if the government didn't waste so much on their pet projects.."
"Do you mean like giving more tax breaks to the top 1% like Trump did in his first administration and then again in his second? Reports from nonpartisan fiscal analysts, including the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), indicate that Donald Trump's tax cuts increased both the federal deficit and the national debt.
The impact of the tax cuts on the deficit is compounded by the additional interest the government must pay on the resulting increased debt. In 2025, the CBO estimated that fully extending the expiring TCJA provisions would add $4.6 trillion in deficits.
"A recent 2025 budget law in the U.S. includes approximately $1 trillion in tax cuts for the top 1% over 10 years, which is vastly greater than public funding for birth control. Federal spending on birth control and family planning is distributed through several programs and sources, with the U.S. spending roughly $600 million annually on global family planning and reproductive health. This funding has been relatively flat for years and was subject to cuts in 2025.
And you're complaining about birth control pills? Really? You can't be serious.
You pick and choose what to complain about in the budget and ignore the trillions this administration added to the deficit and national debt.
That's why I don't believe you're serious.
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