Thanks for that information, Dave. Contrary to what some commenters who come here think, I don't watch MSNBC on a daily basis. I check in with it as often as I check in with CNN, and the network news. Right now, I'm watching PBS.
This happened in Rochester, New York, about as north as you can go in that part of the US.
Just trying to ascertain if the more left of the left who constantly hammer Fox News (or as they call the network FAUX Noise) actually spend anytime watching Fox News.
I find a couple programs worthwhile and informative. The balance, those like Hannity a waste of time as programs like his are designed to preach to the choir. Quite similar to much on MSNBC.
Must keep as equitable and balanced perspective as possible. Something you do exceedingly well Dave. Which I admire as it is becoming more of a rare thing than not in these overheated partisan times we are living in.
Ronald Reagan was angry. It was October 1986, and his veto against the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act had just been overridden — and by a Republican-controlled Senate, at that…
Conservatives believed the U.S. had no business hectoring the South African government over apartheid. Senator Jesse Helms (R–N.C.), the Senate’s leading race-baiter, took the Senate floor to filibuster on behalf of the apartheid government of South Africa. Helms was an old pro at using the filibuster: he had launched a similar one three years earlier against establishing a national holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. He was joined by like-minded conservatives including noted segregationist Strom Thurmond (R–S.C.) and future presidential hopeful Phil Gramm (R–Texas) in voting against the bill’s final passage. Over in the House, Representative Dick Cheney (R–Wyo.) joined the minority in opposing the Anti-Apartheid Act. In earlier battles over South Africa, Cheney had denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and argued against his release…
Reagan took his case directly to the people on a live TV broadcast. He echoed Crocker in urging Americans to be patient with South Africa’s apartheid government. Reagan argued that sanctions would disproportionately hurt black South Africans without significantly undermining apartheid, and blamed black extremists for contributing to the violence. Change, if it were to come at all, would happen incrementally. He believed he had sold his case effectively, and considered the matter closed…
Under considerable pressure, Republican moderates rallied. Thirty-seven (37) out of 53 Republican senators joined their Democratic colleagues to pass the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act over Reagan’s veto. Conservatives fumed, but they were powerless to stop the law from passing. It was the first time in the 20th century that a presidential veto on a foreign policy issue had been overturned…
"In 1986, Nelson Mandela -- the former president of South Africa who died Thursday at the age of 95 -- was serving the 23rd year of what would ultimately be a 27-year prison sentence. The Western world was finally acknowledging the true horrors of Apartheid, a system of racial segregation that denied basic rights to blacks -- including citizenship and the right to vote -- and brutally oppressed a generation of South Africans fighting for equality.
In the U.S. Congress, lawmakers were ready to show their opposition to the South African regime with the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act, a bill that called for tough sanctions and travel restrictions on the nation and its leaders, and for the repeal of apartheid laws and release of political prisoners like Mandela, then leader of the African National Congress (ANC).
The measure passed with bipartisan support, despite strong and largely Republican opposition. President Ronald Reagan was among those most opposed to the bill, and when he finally vetoed the measure over its support of the ANC, which he maintained was a "terrorist organization," it took another vote by Congress to override it. Among the Republicans who repeatedly voted against the measure was future Vice President Dick Cheney, then a Republican congressman from Wyoming.
Cheney's staunch resistance to the Anti-Apartheid Act arose as an issue during his future campaigns on the presidential ticket, but the Wyoming Republican has never said he regretted voting the way he did. In fact, in 2000, he maintained that he'd made the right decision."
A perfect example of the sick minds that make comments in the conservative blogsphere:
"Amid the wave of Liberal/Progressive/ Communist grief over Nelson Mandela’s passing, and President Obama’s words of historical tribute and all the outpouring of “greatness”running amok. Let’s not forget he was a communist. Yes, thers’s going to be a lot of “tributes” and there already are, Bit lets not forget so easily. There’s is a lot of other things to remember about Mandela, but MOST OF ALL, we should not forget that he was a Communist. Just keep remembering the facts as you hear all the praises. He wasn’t sitting in a prison cell all those years for nothing. While President Obama said very forcefully that his very first endeavor as a political activist, was that of opposing apartheid. Wow. That was just plain difficult to watch - it really was. And the final slice of the cake was when Obozo ordered flags fly at half staff until Monday at dusk for this piece of sh*t.
I will fly my flag at half staff on Dec. 7th only in honor of real heroes who died at Pearl.. Was there ever ANY FOREIGN person that was given that honor before? I can think of foreign more than a few leaders worthy of this honor and it́s not Mandela, most recently Margaret Thatcher for example.
I for one have never revered this racist Mandela. for the crimes he committed no matter what his justification was.
When someone plants bombs to insure that black people go to school, was it a terrorist action? Or was it a communist action? Who cares, both or either is pathetic, not heroic!
So I guess that Obama supports terrorism as long as they are Black? Nelson Mandela was a Commie and a Murderer , He went to prison for planting bombs for a attempted coop on the government of South Africa.
For Marxist terrorist scum around the world, subjugation to Apartheid or any other repressive regime was a convenient cover to seize power for their own sick ends.
Mandela, Guevara, Castro, Stalin, Pol Pot - all birds of a feather. Communism murdered 100's of millions of people worldwide.
But this is the kind of person the left likes to prop up. The man was no saint, and because of him South Africa is but a shell of it's former self.
I couldn't bear to listen to the fake in chief slobber over this communist-of course he had to pander to his base. Maybe Obama will take down the statue of George Washington and put a statue of Mandela in the White House."
Posted here only to demonstrate what a US president, vice president, and a typically extremist TeaPublican thought of the great Nelson Mandela.
Terrorist?
If he can be labeled a "terrorist" because he fought injustice and tyranny, then all of our founding fathers were terrorists as well.
Nelson Mandela may have had communist leanings, so what. As a man of remarkable character and will he stood AGAINST oppression, activity for which he was wrongly imprisioned. Following his release and ultimately being elected to the Presidency of South Africa, a posistion of power, he chose to show no animosity or hate against those who had wrongfully Imprisoned him and had treated his people as sub humans. Again displaying the remarkable character of the man he was.
For the asshat who left that comment (and those like him), all I will say is he(they) would not have been fit to wipe Mandela's boots. And by the way noodle brain asshat, Mandela did not govern as a communist.
"If he can be labeled a "terrorist" because he fought injustice and tyranny, then all of our founding fathers were terrorists as well."
I could not have said it any better Shaw, and I am a limited government fiscal conservative and social libertarian. Whatever the hell that means these days.
Radical Redneck seems to have been active after Mandala's death but there is considerable antipathy on the right.
I can't understand that attitude toward a man whose strength of will prevented South Africa from descending into massive bloodshed. Just can't understand it.
Shaw, I saw that very comment. And in it is why the GOP and conservatism will continue to struggle.
As a group, they refuse to accept that there is language that others find offensive. Worse, perhaps is that they do not seems to care.
Why would certain folks seemingly revel in using language that offends people, or that at best is insensitive, and certainly could be understood as racist?
It is comments like these that cause people to not take conservatives seriously. I know the argument is that not all conservatives are like this, but failure by political leaders to renounce comments like the one you cited, or todays remark by Rick Santorum that equated Mandela's struggle against apartheid with the GOP fight against Obamacare, only reinforces the view that conservatives either don't get it, or don't care.
Bloggers who allow, and in some case encourage these types of comments, even in the guise of turning the mirror on the perpetrators, in my opinion, are no better than those that make the comments.
Unless and until the GOP and conservatives understand that they cannot openly offend potential voters that are different from them, they will struggle at the polls.
Nelson Mandela was a great man. Biographer Richard Stengal called him the "Last pure hero."
So true. Like George Washington of the US, and Benito Juarez of Mexico, he is rightly called the father of South Africa.
"Blogger Radical Redneck said... Sam Huntington said...Someone asked me recently, "Do you think it is possible to become dumber even than Liberalman?"
Yes, you could, indeed, become more stupid than Liberalmann, but you'd have to jam another 100 pounds of shit into his already over-stuffed shit sack he uses as a skull."
Oh look, the asshat Radical Redneck is pretending to be himself instead of pretending to be you Shaw and dozens of other bloggers.
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Word is that after the involvement of MSNBC host Larry O'Donnell, all of the bogus charges were dropped.
Yessir, the election of Barack Obama proves there are not racist people here and that we no longer have a problem...
Thanks for that information, Dave. Contrary to what some commenters who come here think, I don't watch MSNBC on a daily basis. I check in with it as often as I check in with CNN, and the network news. Right now, I'm watching PBS.
This happened in Rochester, New York, about as north as you can go in that part of the US.
Those kids were waiting for a bus. Period.
No problem with racism there. Eh?
Do ever watch Fox News? If so which program(s).
RN, I only watch FOX News Sunday... Why?
Just trying to ascertain if the more left of the left who constantly hammer Fox News (or as they call the network FAUX Noise) actually spend anytime watching Fox News.
I find a couple programs worthwhile and informative. The balance, those like Hannity a waste of time as programs like his are designed to preach to the choir. Quite similar to much on MSNBC.
Must keep as equitable and balanced perspective as possible. Something you do exceedingly well Dave. Which I admire as it is becoming more of a rare thing than not in these overheated partisan times we are living in.
A little history on the GOP and apartheid:
Ronald Reagan was angry. It was October 1986, and his veto against the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act had just been overridden — and by a Republican-controlled Senate, at that…
Conservatives believed the U.S. had no business hectoring the South African government over apartheid. Senator Jesse Helms (R–N.C.), the Senate’s leading race-baiter, took the Senate floor to filibuster on behalf of the apartheid government of South Africa. Helms was an old pro at using the filibuster: he had launched a similar one three years earlier against establishing a national holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. He was joined by like-minded conservatives including noted segregationist Strom Thurmond (R–S.C.) and future presidential hopeful Phil Gramm (R–Texas) in voting against the bill’s final passage. Over in the House, Representative Dick Cheney (R–Wyo.) joined the minority in opposing the Anti-Apartheid Act. In earlier battles over South Africa, Cheney had denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and argued against his release…
Reagan took his case directly to the people on a live TV broadcast. He echoed Crocker in urging Americans to be patient with South Africa’s apartheid government. Reagan argued that sanctions would disproportionately hurt black South Africans without significantly undermining apartheid, and blamed black extremists for contributing to the violence. Change, if it were to come at all, would happen incrementally. He believed he had sold his case effectively, and considered the matter closed…
Under considerable pressure, Republican moderates rallied. Thirty-seven (37) out of 53 Republican senators joined their Democratic colleagues to pass the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act over Reagan’s veto. Conservatives fumed, but they were powerless to stop the law from passing. It was the first time in the 20th century that a presidential veto on a foreign policy issue had been overturned…
And from GOP Vice President:
"In 1986, Nelson Mandela -- the former president of South Africa who died Thursday at the age of 95 -- was serving the 23rd year of what would ultimately be a 27-year prison sentence. The Western world was finally acknowledging the true horrors of Apartheid, a system of racial segregation that denied basic rights to blacks -- including citizenship and the right to vote -- and brutally oppressed a generation of South Africans fighting for equality.
In the U.S. Congress, lawmakers were ready to show their opposition to the South African regime with the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act, a bill that called for tough sanctions and travel restrictions on the nation and its leaders, and for the repeal of apartheid laws and release of political prisoners like Mandela, then leader of the African National Congress (ANC).
The measure passed with bipartisan support, despite strong and largely Republican opposition. President Ronald Reagan was among those most opposed to the bill, and when he finally vetoed the measure over its support of the ANC, which he maintained was a "terrorist organization," it took another vote by Congress to override it. Among the Republicans who repeatedly voted against the measure was future Vice President Dick Cheney, then a Republican congressman from Wyoming.
Cheney's staunch resistance to the Anti-Apartheid Act arose as an issue during his future campaigns on the presidential ticket, but the Wyoming Republican has never said he regretted voting the way he did. In fact, in 2000, he maintained that he'd made the right decision."
A perfect example of the sick minds that make comments in the conservative blogsphere:
"Amid the wave of Liberal/Progressive/ Communist grief over Nelson Mandela’s passing, and President Obama’s words of historical tribute and all the outpouring of “greatness”running amok. Let’s not forget he was a communist.
Yes, thers’s going to be a lot of “tributes” and there already are, Bit lets not forget so easily. There’s is a lot of other things to remember about Mandela, but MOST OF ALL, we should not forget that he was a Communist. Just keep remembering the facts as you hear all the praises. He wasn’t sitting in a prison cell all those years for nothing.
While President Obama said very forcefully that his very first endeavor as a political activist, was that of opposing apartheid. Wow. That was just plain difficult to watch - it really was. And the final slice of the cake was when Obozo ordered flags fly at half staff until Monday at dusk for this piece of sh*t.
I will fly my flag at half staff on Dec. 7th only in honor of real heroes who died at Pearl.. Was there ever ANY FOREIGN person that was given that honor before? I can think of foreign more than a few leaders worthy of this honor and it́s not Mandela, most recently Margaret Thatcher for example.
I for one have never revered this racist Mandela. for the crimes he committed no matter what his justification was.
When someone plants bombs to insure that black people go to school, was it a terrorist action? Or was it a communist action? Who cares, both or either is pathetic, not heroic!
So I guess that Obama supports terrorism as long as they are Black? Nelson Mandela was a Commie and a Murderer , He went to prison for planting bombs for a attempted coop on the government of South Africa.
For Marxist terrorist scum around the world, subjugation to Apartheid or any other repressive regime was a convenient cover to seize power for their own sick ends.
Mandela, Guevara, Castro, Stalin, Pol Pot - all birds of a feather. Communism murdered 100's of millions of people worldwide.
But this is the kind of person the left likes to prop up. The man was no saint, and because of him South Africa is but a shell of it's former self.
I couldn't bear to listen to the fake in chief slobber over this communist-of course he had to pander to his base. Maybe Obama will take down the statue of George Washington and put a statue of Mandela in the White House."
Posted here only to demonstrate what a US president, vice president, and a typically extremist TeaPublican thought of the great Nelson Mandela.
Terrorist?
If he can be labeled a "terrorist" because he fought injustice and tyranny, then all of our founding fathers were terrorists as well.
We'll always have idiots walking among us, Shaw. Don't let the asshats get you down.
World wide, Mandela is acclaimed as on of this planet's greatest leaders.
The idiot who wrote that pile of excrement is just stupid and not to be concerned with.
The stupid will always be among us.
Nelson Mandela may have had communist leanings, so what. As a man of remarkable character and will he stood AGAINST oppression, activity for which he was wrongly imprisioned. Following his release and ultimately being elected to the Presidency of South Africa, a posistion of power, he chose to show no animosity or hate against those who had wrongfully Imprisoned him and had treated his people as sub humans. Again displaying the remarkable character of the man he was.
For the asshat who left that comment (and those like him), all I will say is he(they) would not have been fit to wipe Mandela's boots. And by the way noodle brain asshat, Mandela did not govern as a communist.
"If he can be labeled a "terrorist" because he fought injustice and tyranny, then all of our founding fathers were terrorists as well."
I could not have said it any better Shaw, and I am a limited government fiscal conservative and social libertarian. Whatever the hell that means these days.
Radical Redneck seems to have been active after Mandala's death but there is considerable antipathy on the right.
I can't understand that attitude toward a man whose strength of will prevented South Africa from descending into massive bloodshed. Just can't understand it.
Shaw, I saw that very comment. And in it is why the GOP and conservatism will continue to struggle.
As a group, they refuse to accept that there is language that others find offensive. Worse, perhaps is that they do not seems to care.
Why would certain folks seemingly revel in using language that offends people, or that at best is insensitive, and certainly could be understood as racist?
It is comments like these that cause people to not take conservatives seriously. I know the argument is that not all conservatives are like this, but failure by political leaders to renounce comments like the one you cited, or todays remark by Rick Santorum that equated Mandela's struggle against apartheid with the GOP fight against Obamacare, only reinforces the view that conservatives either don't get it, or don't care.
Bloggers who allow, and in some case encourage these types of comments, even in the guise of turning the mirror on the perpetrators, in my opinion, are no better than those that make the comments.
Unless and until the GOP and conservatives understand that they cannot openly offend potential voters that are different from them, they will struggle at the polls.
Nelson Mandela was a great man. Biographer Richard Stengal called him the "Last pure hero."
So true. Like George Washington of the US, and Benito Juarez of Mexico, he is rightly called the father of South Africa.
Shaw... here's an article I thought made some valid points...
Don't let the first few lines discourage you...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-you-want-someone-to-listen-to-you-on-race-you-dont-start-by-likening-him-to-a-slaveowner/article/2540180
Dave,
Thanks for the link.
Many good points.
"Blogger Radical Redneck said...
Sam Huntington said...Someone asked me recently, "Do you think it is possible to become dumber even than Liberalman?"
Yes, you could, indeed, become more stupid than Liberalmann, but you'd have to jam another 100 pounds of shit into his already over-stuffed shit sack he uses as a skull."
Oh look, the asshat Radical Redneck is pretending to be himself instead of pretending to be you Shaw and dozens of other bloggers.
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