Paul Revere by Cyrus Dallin, North End, Boston

Tuesday, April 15, 2025

"INCIPIENT STATE TERROR" It's here.

“Capturing a person against their will without due process is called kidnapping. Transporting them to another country without due process is called human trafficking. A squalid extrajudicial prison for people found guilty of no crime is called a concentration camp.”

 

State Terror

A brief guide for Americans

Yesterday the president defied a Supreme Court ruling to return a man who was mistakenly sent to a gulag in another country, celebrated the suffering of this innocent person, and spoke of sending Americans to foreign concentration camps.

This is the beginning of an American policy of state terror, and it has to be identified as such to be stopped.

So let’s begin with language, because language is very important. When the state carries out criminal terror against its own people, it calls them the “criminals” or the the “terrorists.” During the 1930s, this was the normal practice. Looking back, we refer to Stalin’s “Great Terror,” but at the time it was the Stalinists who controlled the language. Today in Berlin stands an important museum called "Topography of Terror"; during the era it documents, it was the Jews and the chosen enemies of the regime who were called "terrorists." Yesterday in the White House, the Salvadoran president showed the way, referring to Kilmar Abrego Garcia as a "terrorist" without any basis whatsoever. The Americans treated him as a criminal, even though he was charged with no crime.

The first part of controlling the language is inverting the meaning: whatever the government does is good, because by definition the its victims are the "criminals" and the "terrorists." The second part is deterring the press, or anyone else, from challenging the perversion by associating anyone who objects with crime and terror. This was the role Stephen Miller played when he said yesterday in the White House that reporters "want foreign terrorists in the country who kidnap women and children."

The control of language is necessary to undermine a legal or constitutional order. Our rule of law begins with notions such as the people and their rights. If politicians shift the framework to "criminals" and "terrorism," then they are shifting the purpose of the state.

In the United States, we are governed by a Constitution. Basic to the Constitution is habeas corpus, the notion that the government cannot seize your body without a legal justification for doing so. If that does not hold, then nothing else does. If we have the law, then violence may not be committed by one person against another on the basis of namecalling or strong feelings. This applies to everyone, above all to the president, whose constitutional function is to enforce the laws.

Trump spoke of asking Attorney General Pam Bondi to find legal ways to abduct Americans and leave them in foreign concentration camps. But by "legal" what is meant are ways of escaping law, not applying it.

It is that anti-constitutional escapism that enables abuse. State terror involves not just the malignant development of state organs of oppression, such as masked men in black vans, but also the withdrawal of the state from its role as a guardian of law. What aspiring tyrants present as "strength," the ability to terrorize innocent people, rests on what might be seen as a more fundamental weakness, which is the withdrawal of the state from the principle of the rule of law. When we have law, we are all stronger; when we lack law, everyone is weaker except for the very few who can direct the coercive power of the state against the rest of us.

In the history of state terror, the escape from law into coercion takes three forms, all of which were on display, incipiently, in the White House yesterday: the leader principle; the state of exception; and the zone of statelessness.

The leader principle, or in German Führerprinzip, is the idea that a single individual directly represents the people, and that therefore all of his actions are by definition legal and proper. In discussions in the White House and thereafter, we see this notion being advanced. Trump's advisors claim that what he is doing is popular. The claim (as in legal filings) that the president is acting from a personal "mandate" from the people has the same problem. Asked on Fox News about the abduction of Americans and their transfer to foreign gulags, Attorney General Pam Bondi said that “these are Americans he is saying who have committed the most heinous crimes in our country.” If it comes down to what “he is saying,” then he is a dictator and the U.S. is a dictatorship. Trump spoke of the need to deport people who "hate our country" or who are "stupid."


The second escape from law is the state of exception. In principle, the Soviet Union was governed by law. Before its greatest exercises of terror, however, the Soviet authorities declared for themselves states of exception. This meant that, on the territory of the Soviet Union itself, it was "legal" (in Bondi's and in Trump's sense) to abduct people and send them to concentration camps: authorities claimed that there was some sort of threat, and so protections could be withdrawn and procedures set aside. People could be abducted in black vans and executed or sent to a camp, "legally," in the sense that the law had been set aside. The notion of the state of exception, important to Soviet practice, was at the center of Nazi theory. As the leading Nazi thinker Carl Schmitt argued, the sovereign is the person who can make an exception. If we are living in normal times, then we think we should be governed by law. But if politicians can use words to make us think that these are exceptional times, then we might accept their lawlessness.

A simple way to escape from law is to move people bodily into a physical zone of exception in which the law (it is claimed) does not apply. Other methods take more time. It is possible to pass laws that deprive people of their rights in their own country. It is possible to carve out spaces on one's own territory where the law does not function. These spaces are concentration camps. In the end, authorities can choose, as in Nazi Germany, to physically remove their citizens into zones beyond their own countries in which they can simply declare that the law does not matter.

This exploitation of purported stateless zones was the main line of the history of the Holocaust. Under Hitler, the Germans did have concentration camps on their own territory, and they did reduce Jews to second-class citizenship, and they did live under a permanent state of exception. But, in the main, the mass murder of German Jews was achieved by their abduction and forced rendition to sites beyond prewar German territory where, German authorities claimed, there was no law.

A probing of this statelessness approach was on display yesterday, as Trump and his advisors claimed that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a legal resident of the United States whom US authorities abducted by mistake and sent to a concentration camp in El Salvador, was now beyond the reach of American law. This is state terror: the state is presented as "strong" in its oppression of a person, but as weak in its ability to respect or enforce law. The idea that the United States can send you to places from which it cannot bring you back is the theoretical basis for a doctrine of statelessness. Call it the Rubio Doctrine: in the words of the secretary of state, "the foreign policy of the United States is conducted by the President of the United States, not by a court." But what that implies is that people forcibly transported beyond the boundaries of the United States can be incarcerated or killed for no reason. That would be "foreign policy."

Will citizenship save people? Obviously it is better to be a citizen than not. Citizenship provides some protection, at least by comparison with its absence, or with statelessness. The problem, though, is that citizens can find themselves borne along with the rationales applied to non-citizens. If we accept that Trump exercises power because of the Führerprinzip, then what is to stop him from saying that the people want to see the forcible rendition of “homegrowns,” of "really bad people, every bit as bad as the ones coming in." If citizens accept that we are living in a state of exception, then they are also accepting that they too can be treated exceptionally. Perhaps worst of all, if citizens accept the notion of stateless zones, of law that only functions as the servant of power, they are inviting their own deportation to places from which we will never return.

If citizens endorse the idea that people named by authorities as "criminals" or "terrorists" have no right to due process, then they are accepting that they themselves have no right to due process. It is due process, and due process alone, that allows you to demonstrate that you are a citizen. Without it, the masked men in the black vans can simply claim that you are a foreign terrorist and disappear you.

Horrible though all of this is, it is still state terror in outline, a test of how Americans will react. We can react by seeing all of this for what it is, and naming it by name: incipient state terror. We can react by associating ourselves with others are repressed before we are. Only in solidarity do we affirm law. We can remind the other branches of government that their functions are being taken over by the executive. Citizens cannot do this alone; they have to remind the rest of the government of its constitutional functions.

The president is claiming core congressional responsibilities when he asserts personal control of immigration policy, criminal law, and the funding of forcible renditions. Congress could very easily pass laws, if a few Republicans found the courage. The president is claiming core judicial functions when he defines himself as judge, jury, and, in the case for forcible renditions to El Salvador, de facto executioner. The phrase "contempt of court" took on vivid life in the White House yesterday.

Even these most basic institutions, the ones defined by our Constitution, do not act on their own. To a very sad degree, Supreme Court justices and members of Congress are already complicit in this experiment in state terror. They might find their way back to an America in which their offices have meaning, but only with the help of we the people.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Given 40-45% of Americsns apparently fail to understand this and remain loyal to a fascist tyrant this nation us no longer a democracy and us no longer the United States of America. We are now a dictatorship under a malignant narcissist and sociopath. And the corrupt scotus and the fascist republican party bare ultimate responsibility.

Democracy, freedom, and liberty is dead in America after yesterday.

Shaw Kenawe said...

It's not relevant whether Abrego Garcia has committed thousands of crimes. Disappearing him off to an El Salvadorean maximum security prison *without due process* is wholly illegal totalitarian bullshit. Everyone who has been sent there by this administration should be brought back, not just him.

Dave Miller said...

I was recently in a conversation with a guy, a strong supporter of Trump. I brought this issue up. He openly agreed with me, and said it concerned him, but then immediately, a la Skud, pivoted to "but what about Biden" letting illegal aliens in.

When pressed, he had to admit that Biden followed US court orders. But he said Biden continued to challenge and look for a way around the court.

I mentioned that this approach, was exactly what Trump did in 2017 with his travel ban. He ordered it and the courts said no. He went back and retooled it and again the courts said no. It took five tries for the Trump Admin to pass constitutional muster, but they finally did.

Just as Biden did on student loans, as Obama did on some things, as Bush did and as all our recent presidents have done.

They've all ultimately obeyed the orders of the SCOTUS or the US Federal Court system.

Until Trump.

My friend ultimately agreed with me, saying he was hopeful in the end, Trump would do the same. When I asked what he has recently that gave him that confidence, he had to admit the answer was nothing.

We now have a president who is openly defying the US Constitution and our Federal courts, including the SCOTUS. And we hear nothing from all the "conservatives" who for years said they believe in the rule of law and the constitution.

We are in uncharted territory.

Shaw Kenawe said...

The probable answer to why we haven't heard from Conservatives who said they believe in the rule of law is that their "firm beliefs" are fungible according to who is the POTUS. It was the Tea Party/Conservative/Mother Ship-type folks who had a conniption fit when Mr. Obama was POTUS and said that he was "fundamentally changing America and her laws." That was a lie.

Now, in front of their noses, we have a POTUS who thumbed his nose at the 5th Amendment to the Constitution, requiring due process before jailing ANYONE WHO IS IN THE UNITED STATES. Not just citizens, naturalized or native born, ANYONE WHO IS IN THE UNITED STATES, including those who commit crimes.

Republicans seem to respect the Constitution only if it fits their agendas.

Trump and his administration and followers DO NOT RESPECT THE LAW.

IMO, that means they're lawless, others would call them outlaws -- kind of what they've called Kilmer Abrego Garcia, who HAS NEVER BEEN INDICTED OR CONVICTED OF ANY CRIME. And yet the outlaw Donald Trump had him rounded up, without due process, and shipped off to a prison camp in a foreign country.

Do people not see this as a brutal blow against our country's laws? Or are they just yawning and accepting it as another day in the criminal life of Donald Trump?

Anonymous said...

Trump will go down in history alongside every dictator... As he brings the American Experiment in Self Rule and Democracy to a close.

Playing Taps...

Shaw Kenawe said...

MORE EVIDENCE OF OUR INCIPIENT STATE TERROR:


Harry Litman‬ ‪

The DOJ lawyer who made the mistake of answering the court's questions about Abrego-Garcia candidly (eg yes he was mistakenly deported, a fact the Administration already has acknowledged), which got him put on administrative leave, has now been fired, ending his 15-year DOJ career."

Anonymous said...

MAWBHA - Making America White, Bigoted, and Heartless Again.

Forever defining the Trump Administration(s).

Tyranny and the Rule of Personality and the Whims of a Narcissistic Sociopath is soon to be the supreme law of the land.

Dave Miller said...

Shaw... here's the problem for Trump and his Admin as it relates to the Garcia case.

He, and his minions have gone all in stating the guy is guilty, belongs to MS-13 and is a monster. They went nuclear early and as we all know, once you play the big card, you literally, to quote Mr. Trump, "don't have the cards" to keep playing.

Now the only way for him to make this right is to capitulate.

We'll see how this goes.

But heck... even Clarence Thomas voted against him. Man... if you've lost Clarence, to say nothing of Alito, you're f*#ked. Because those guys are predestined to support Trump normally.

Dave Miller said...

Shaw... you know it's bad when not even MAGA bloggers are touching the Garcia case. No defense, no "you libs hate America", nothing.

Either they aren't even aware, or they are but can't figure out how to support a president who has shown no interest in following the Constitution or obeying the courts.

Where would we be today if in 1954, President Eisenhower had decided not to follow the order of the SCOTUS to integrate schools in the south?

Where would we be today if in 1967, President Johnson had decided not to obey the order of the SCOTUS to make interracial marriage the law of ALL the United States?

Where would we be today if in 1974, President Nixon had decided not to obey the order of the SCOTUS to turn over his tape recordings of Oval Office meetings where he plotted the Watergate Coverup?

All of these decisions were rendered with no dissent. None. Just like the SCOTUS case related to Garcia.

The SCOTUS [Judicial Branch] has ruled, majority opinion agrees and now it is time for the Congressional Branch to step in and force the compliance of the Executive Branch. And barring that compliance, impeachment proceedings should begin.

If ignoring the orders of a unanimous SCOTUS is not a high crime and misdemeanor, then nothing is and the Constitution is not worth the parchment it is written on and conservatives have been nothing but anti democratic liars about their love for that document all of their lives.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Reductio ad Hitlerum. Deporting Illegals isn't fascism. When they start rounding up US citizens, you can clutch your pearls legitimately.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

If you live within 100 miles of a border, you can be deported with little "due process". And it's all perfectly legal and in accordance with US law.

Dave Miller said...

You're right -FJ, deporting ppl here illegally is not a problem.

But Garcia was here legally, had received an order, from the TRUMP Admin, of protection and has no criminal record nor was credibly accused of any crime.

The Constitution guarantees "all persons" here the right of due process. All means all.

What am I missing?

Dave Miller said...

-FJ... with "little due process". Your statement validates the reality that due process exists. Now, since Garcia was above the 100 mile border zone, had been adjudicated during the first Trump Admin to have been here legally and given an order of protection from deportation, what is the issue with him?

Why is a president digging in after a 9-0 SCOTUS decision and bringing the nation to the brink of a constitutional crisis?

I thought he took an oath to protect and defend our constitution. Did he only mean it when he agrees with it?

Anonymous said...

MAGA always trying to find something to justify their slime in a suit.

Grey One talks sass said...

LOL - every point the many faced troll makes is effortlessly shot down with facts from Dave Miller.

For our other troll skud (don't want you to feel left out), correcting someone when they are wrong/incorrect/not right isn't a personal reflection on the person being corrected. It is addressing the offered information which is factually incorrect.

Something I learned in class on Tuesday is many humans think because of their belief in a thing that that is what makes it a fact. Blew my mind away, and honestly gave me a confused to the point where I had to seek clarification because that is not how I operate. Evidence makes a fact a fact otherwise it's just opinion.

So, fact is the FOTUS admin is already scooping up legal citizens using the charge that whatever legally obtained paperwork they possess has been revoked (without notice) and they are now deported. No judges. No warrants, just ICE "following orders". Also a fact is no due process has occurred. None. Nada.

That's an issue because the FOTUS is on camera telling the gang tied president of El Salvador to build at least five more gulags. They have the space he joked. FOTUS is on record about deporting homegrowns as he called them. Citizens he means. People born here.

It's already happening. I'm not hysterical. I'm reporting the facts. If I'm giving you my opinion I tell you so. These are facts. The FOTUS is ignoring a judgement handed down by SCOTUS. For those who forgot this civics lesson SCOTUS is not subservient to the President, at least not on paper.

Tensest moments I've ever lived through. I never wanted to know how folks felt during the Cuban missile crisis through this mess I totally empathize with them.

At this point I'm balanced because I can't change the behavior of others/Witching 101, Mental Health 101. Depending on the actions of others is how I shall respond.

Practicing Matrix style bending to avoid projectiles tossed in my direction, Kung Fu Panda 2 moves of turning canon balls into whirling ying/yang symbols of Lawz o Return, and Kung Fu Panda 3 energy work (I don't control the energy, I AM the energy). Those who don't practice such energy work tend to get eaten by the power and I'm here to watch it happen.

Anonymous said...

Row row row your boat boat merrily down the stream.

Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.


I'm from the mind only school. All phenomena are but a creation of the mind. IE: Reality is not what we think it is. The dream state is the closet thing to reality. We are the observer as well as the observed. We are the product of memory, conditioning, experience, beliefs formed over years, and biases (ego), and are creatures of ignorance and delusion as a result. We are none other than awareness, but often with very clouded vision.

Letting go of all that (conditioning and reified belifs) to see reality as it is is the road to true and complete liberation.

Have a clear day for a change MAGA. It's unbounded freedom and liberation. Your empty suit leader is but confusion, obscuration, and delusion. Leading you to misery and suffering.

Joe Conservative said...

I'm a Marylander. I don't want the MS-13 killer back.

Joe Conservative said...

The border includes the oceans. I'm only 10 miles from the Chesapeake Bay. He was living inside the 100 mile "border zone".

And why? We don't like MS-13 or tren de Aragua gang members.

Shaw Kenawe said...

There isn't a shred of evidence presented that Kilmar Obrega Garcia is an MS-13 killer. You should stop listening to and watching fake news.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Garcia was imprisoned without due process guaranteed by the Constitution. Your posts are anti-American and ignorant of the law.

Joe Conservative said...

He received the due process due illegals in the border zone.

Joe Conservative said...

Don't like it? Pass a law.

Dave Miller said...

Joe, yours and -FJ's protestations are immaterial. The Trump Admin, which gave Garcia protected status in 2019, has already admitted, in a US Court of Law, that Garcia was deported illegally, or in a mistake. So neither the SCOTUS, nor the Trump Admin, at least in court where they are required to tell the truth, recognizes your understanding of whether or not Garcia is here illegally.

You both can have your opinions though, but as a point of law, you are wrong. Just as in 1954, ppl did who felt the 9-0 decision in Brown was wrong, just as in 1967 ppl did who felt the Loving decision was wrong.

Dave Miller said...

Joe, I should add that your statement "We don't like MS-13 or tren de Aragua gang members" sounds a lot like we don't like coloreds at our lunch counter, in our school or in our neighborhood. And like those statements, it's immaterial.

All "persons" in the US, except in extreme circumstances, have a right, enshrined in the 5th and 14th amendment of the Constitution, to due process.

Whether we like them, or not.

If the Trump had just followed the laws, ppl might still be upset, but there would be no legal issue, or recourse.

Dave Dubya said...

I don't like fascists who put quotation marks around the words due process, and supports their leader who said he'd send Americans to foreign death camps. I don't like fascists who accuse people of being terrorists or belonging to gangs with no evidence.

And most of all, I don't like our country being run by a criminal and his cartel, bent on destroying public services just to give oligarchs tax cuts.

Maybe THOSE people are the ones who should be deported for abetting fascism and criminal leaders in the US. But since the rest of us follow the rule of law, they will get away with infecting our country with their hate and lies. They will get away with all their crimes thanks to corrupt Supreme Court Justices who invented anti-constitutional "presidential immunity" for their evil fascist ally.
This is how a republic dies. And we can't even shoot the traitors.

Shaw Kenawe said...

I'll repeat what Dave Miller wrote for the dudes who are confused, i.e., Joe Conservative and -FJ:

"The Trump Admin, which gave Garcia protected status in 2019, has already admitted, in a US Court of Law, that Garcia was deported illegally, or in a mistake..."

Your 100 mile zone doesn't matter a whit because an innocent man, legally here as a protected migrant, was mistakenly kidnapped by the US government and WITHOUT DUE PROCESS, sent to a concentration camp.

Your arguments are baseless, lawless, and invalid.

Les Carpenter said...

It is worth noting that conservatives, Republicans were all about the Constitution as the Supreme law of the land. But now, with a Felon president leading the party not so much. The days of reinterpretation to fit the whims of the Felon president are in full motion with an increasing head of steam.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

According to law, there doesn't need to be. A single denunciation is sufficient in the "border zone".

Joe Conservative said...

If someone says "he's MS-13" in the border zone, that's enough to deport:

“In immigration court, you have very few rights,” said John Gihon, an immigration attorney who spent six years as a prosecutor for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement before moving into private practice.

Gihon says the bar for what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence. Hearsay is not allowed in most U.S. courts.

Joe Conservative said...

Facts not in evidence, Shaw. And the DoJ lawyer who said it was a mistake was fired.

Shaw Kenawe said...

The lawyer who said it was a mistake was fired because he did not protect the DoJ's misstatement! He put the blame where it belonged and Pam, Trump's personal consigliere, fired him for telling the truth. FACT.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"On March 15, the U.S. government deported Abrego Garcia to CECOT, a Salvadoran mega-prison where Trump has sent hundreds of Salvadoran and Venezuelan men who were previously in the U.S. But Abrego Garcia had a protection that was supposed to prevent him from being deported to El Salvador. The Justice Department called Abrego Garcia’s deportation an “oversight” and “an administrative error” in a court filing.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Abrego Garcia in 2019 as he was looking for day labor outside a Home Depot in Maryland. A police informant told police Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. Immigration judges denied Abrego Garcia bond, both initially and on appeal, citing the informant’s accusation.

In the initial denial, the judge said the determination of Abrego Garcia’s gang membership “appears to be trustworthy and is supported” by evidence from the Gang Field Interview Sheet which, in part, referenced the informant. Abrego Garcia’s attorneys have repeatedly said in court that the informant’s accusation was fabricated.

The immigration judges’ decision to deny bond is not equivalent to ruling that Abrego Garcia was a gang member, David Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, said.

In immigration bond hearings, detainees have the burden of proof to show they are neither a flight risk nor a danger to the community. Abrego Garcia “failed to meet his burden to show that he was not a danger,” Bier said. That’s not the same as the government proving affirmatively that he was an MS-13 member.

“The immigration judge is only taking at face value any evidence that the government provides,” Bier said. “It is not assessing its underlying validity at that stage.”

Abrego Garcia later received an immigration protection called withholding of removal. Granting that protection required the Department of Homeland Security to decide Abrego Garcia was not “a danger to the security of the United States,” Bier said, quoting U.S. immigration law.

“The Trump administration did not appeal these determinations or the granting of withholding of removal,” Bier said. “So at that time, it did not consider him a threat and no new evidence has been presented since then.”

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, an attorney for Abrego Garcia, told PolitiFact his client has “never been convicted of any crime, gang-related or otherwise,” and we also found no court evidence he had been convicted. Neither of the immigration court proceedings constitute a conviction, because they were not trials.

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, an attorney for Abrego Garcia, told PolitiFact his client has “never been convicted of any crime, gang-related or otherwise,” and we also found no court evidence he had been convicted. Neither of the immigration court proceedings constitute a conviction, because they were not trials.


Shaw Kenawe said...

It’s inaccurate that the U.S. government’s February designation of MS-13 as a foreign terrorist organization automatically revoked Abrego Garcia’s protection from removal, Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, said.

People who are proven members of a terrorist organization are ineligible for protection from removal. But in Abrego Garcia’s case, to revoke his protections, the U.S. government “would have been required under law to reopen his immigration court proceedings and prove to the judge that he was a member of MS-13 and therefore no longer eligible for withholding.”

“The government certainly could have sought to prove that (Abrego Garcia) was not eligible for any form of immigration relief, but it did not do so,” Bier said.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Bukele: Returning Abrego Garcia to the US would be akin to “smuggl(ing) a terrorist into the United States.”

There is no evidence that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist. As we noted above, it’s unproven that Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13 and therefore a terrorist after the gang’s foreign terrorist designation.

Abrego Garcia is being held in a Salvadoran prison at the U.S. government’s request, not because he committed a crime in El Salvador, Reichlin-Melnick said. Therefore, Bukele could release Abrego Garcia and the U.S. government could grant him humanitarian parole “as part of the court order requiring them to facilitate his return,” Reichlin-Melnick said.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Secretary of State Marco Rubio: “This individual is a citizen of El Salvador. He was illegally in the United States and was returned to his country. That’s where you deport people back to their country of origin.”

This is misleading. Although it’s accurate that people are generally deported to their country of origin or another country that accepts their deportation, that is not the case for Abrego Garcia. Abrego Garcia had a withholding of removal order which prevents people from being deported to their home country — in Abrego Garcia’s case, El Salvador — and allows them to legally work in the U.S. People with this protection can be deported to another country if that country accepts to take them.

In 2019, an immigration judge granted Abrego Garcia withholding of removal. The judge entered a deportation order and told the government it could not use that order to deport Abrego Garcia to El Salvador. Abrego Garcia received the protection because when he was a minor living in El Salvador, a gang had tried to recruit him and extort money from his mother, leading to death threats.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement lawyers acknowledged in a March court filing they were aware of the restriction on deporting Abrego Garcia to El Salvador and called his removal an “oversight” and “an administrative error.”

The lawyer was fired for insubordination, IOW, the lawyer admitted the DoJ made a mistake, and Pam, Trump consigliere, fired him.

Anonymous said...

For the. Felon President and the MAGAts fiction is fact, lies are truth, down is up, sideways is straight ahead, bad is good, indecent is decent, failure is success, illegal is legal.

As they attempt to rewrite history to blend with their perverted and indecent view of reality.

Shaw Kenawe said...

SOURCE

Shaw Kenawe said...

The Trump Administration is flat out lying about this case. And Joe Conservative does not have the facts.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...and the evidence for Administration "lying" comes from a fired and disgruntled DoJ employee. So yes, let's wait for the FACTS, since I know I don't have all of them, but neither do you.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

from The Hill:

In a Sunday order rejecting a bid by the government to halt her earlier directive to return Abrego Garcia, U.S. District Court Judge Paula Xinis cited weak arguments from the government, quoting Reuveni conceding “he should not have been removed to El Salvador.”

She also noted Reuveni did not know why Abrego Garcia was held at El Salvador’s Terrorism Confinement Center.

“I don’t know. That information has not been given to me. I don’t know,” he said during a hearing.


Sounds like the info may be classified. He was supposed to be representing DHS.

Shaw Kenawe said...

What difference does it make if the fired DoJ lawyer has filed suit yet or not? You're throwing sand in people's faces, not reading the facts. What I posted are the facts and you can see the link where I read those facts.

Senator Van Hollen just said the AG, Secretary of State ARE LYING about the Garcia case.

Thersites said...

You've only posted the facts that you are aware of. And it's all media generated facticity.

"Verum esse ipsum factum" - - Giambattista Vico

...meant to raise emotions and get clicks, not uncover the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. All we have now are a pile of "partial" truths, and a Schizoid journalistic process that benefits them from them NOT being assembled into the actual truth

Dave Dubya said...

Despite his pretensions to follow facts, -FJ/JC readily regurgitates "he's MS-13".

Hmm. Not that he's a bigot or racist, just because the guy has brown skin, but because someone said so. He certainly won't consider the fact that Garcia came to the US because of threats FROM gangs. For that he deserves a life sentence in a gulag.

-FJ/JC isn't racist because he doesn't give the same benefit of the doubt to brown people as white people, right?

Didn't think so.

Thersites said...

...I've lived in MD for over 40 years. I know who Van Hollen is. He's no pillar of integrity himself.

Shaw Kenawe said...

I have the facts ( linked to) from the lawyers who were involved in Garcia’s case as well as immigration experts. All you have is your inability to see past your ego’s need to be the smartest guy in the room and the facts be damned.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Classic deflection. You don’t have the facts, so you impugn Van Hollen. Do better.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Turn out DHS says Kilmar IS MS-13. So please, keep fighting to let criminals legally enter the US.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Sure. Immigration courts deemed Kilmar a member of MS-13. That was undisputed. He also had a restraining order for threatening and beating his wife. Sounds like a really nice "family guy".

Shaw Kenawe said...

Are -FJ, Joe Conservative, Thersites actually this ignorant or are they just pretending to be. Due process is applicable to "persons in the United States."
That includes EVERYONE, regardless of their criminal status.

The Trump administration broke the law in putting Garcia in a Salvadoran concentration camp without due process. Period.

Your lies and innuendos change nothing.

R.D. said...

Trump doesn’t get to ignore a ruling because he and a foreign leader don’t feel like complying. This isn’t a high school group project, it’s the law.

Your trolls are deliberately bringing in issues that don’t matter, Garcia’s previous history, not a criminal record, he’s never been criminally indicted, because maybe they don’t believe in the rule of law because Trump is their idol?

Dave Dubya said...

-FJ's "unbiased" source is PJ Media's Sarah Anderson: "By now, I'm sure you've heard the news. Our parent company, Salem Media Group, has partnered with MxM News, Donald Trump, Jr., and Lara Trump."

At least -FJ can be comforted by the fact every racist white supremacist and neo-Nazi agrees with him and his fascist propagandists.

Not that -FJ is a racist. He just agrees with them.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The due process rights of illegals in the 100 mile border zone are different. Blame Congress if you don't like it, and change the laws.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was here legally. He is NOT an illegal intruder. -FJ/Joe Con/Thersites conveniently dismiss this fact. And they continue to spread lies.

Dave Dubya said...

-FJ thinks the Constitution isn't the law of the land within a 100 miles of a border.

If that's the case he should be deported without due process. I heard from an anonymous source he's not a citizen and is a gang member.

Fifth Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. (Unless Trump disagrees) No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the
privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Dave Dubya said...

The ACLU has a page on border zones:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

Grey One talks sass said...

I've been listening to the crap spewed by the FOTUS admin as it pertains to Garcia. I've been reading the crap spewed by our local trolls. Amazing how in lock step they are.

Apparently, according to our trolls, it doesn't matter if an immigrant follows the rules, completes required paper and course work - they will always be an "illegal" in their eyes. How... bigoted of them.

Lots of marginalized community spokespeople are pointing out the FOTUS admin's use of a past domestic abuse issue is exactly what THEY do to marginalized communities all the time. I'm listening as they tell us, I told you so. Yes, yes you did.

By the Constitution (for those who still defend our defining document) it doesn't matter what mistakes Garcia made. Did he have permission to stay in the country? Yes, permission granted by the first FOTUS admin. Is or was he ever a member of a gang? Nope to the power of nope because if ICE had ANY evidence they would have produced it at his trial in 2019 (they had nothing). That 'source' our trolls keep pushing in our face and upon which ICE built their case is a police officer who was suspended for the crime of trading police secrets to a sex worker in exchange for sex. Sounds like a stand up guy. Garcia was here legally. There is a process for playing take backs and the FOTUS admin didn't do it, hasn't done it, and is relying on Goebbels level propaganda to smear a good man, a man I might add that we don't know is alive or dead right now.

Addressing the point our trolls keep harping on aka the 100 mile issue, every person (even those within 100 miles of the border) are guaranteed due process in a court of law. EVERY. PERSON. No matter what. Repeat it with me trolls because how else are you going to learn? EVERY PERSON IN THE USA HAS THE GUARANTEED RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS. I'm yelling because the way you trolls are doubling down I'm thinking you have beets stuck in your ears.

I read up on the law - it specifically states that the only change from the interior of the country to the 100 miles is an increase in border patrol activity. That's it. Nothing about being able to snatch someone up and deny them due process, in fact the rule even reminds us that due process must happen. Talk about failing to read for comprehension.

Anonymous said...

The many faced troll isa fraud. In the same way the Felon of the United States is a fraud.

Joe Conservative said...

Here 'legally' means he had 'privileges', not 'rights'. REVOKABLE privileges contingent on behaviour and the favour of the Government, of whom DJT is the current head. Here today, gone to Maui.

Joe Conservative said...

The Constitution is certainly the law of the land within the border zone. The "due process" available, however, differs.

Joe Conservative said...

Inform yourself, Dave.

Dave Dubya said...

Thanks for the link, Joe.

DUE PROCESS IN IMMIGRATION PROCEEDINGS
I. DUE PROCESS
A. Generally
“Immigration proceedings, although not subject to the full range of
constitutional protections, must conform to the Fifth Amendment’s requirement of due process.”
Salgado-Diaz v. Gonzales, 395 F.3d 1158, 1162 (9th Cir. 2005) (as amended); see also Grigoryan v. Barr, 959 F.3d 1233, 1240 (9th Cir. 2020);
Gonzaga-Ortega v. Holder, 736 F.3d 795, 804 (9th Cir. 2013) (as amended);
Vilchez v. Holder, 682 F.3d 1195, 1199 (9th Cir. 2012); United States v. ReyesBonilla, 671 F.3d 1036, 1045 (9th Cir. 2012); Pangilinan v. Holder, 568 F.3d 708,
709 (9th Cir. 2009).
“[O]ur immigration laws have long made a distinction between those
aliens who have come to our shores seeking admission . . . and those
who are within the United States after an entry.” Leng May Ma v.
Barber, [357 U.S. 185, 187] (1958). Aliens “who have once passed
through our gates, even illegally,” are afforded the full panoply of
procedural due process protections, and “may be expelled only after
proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness.”

Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, [345 U.S. 206, 212]
(1953)