Paul Revere by Cyrus Dallin, North End, Boston



Wednesday, November 4, 2020

It ain't over until ALL THE VOTES are counted.


AS of 10 AM, according to the NYTimes, the E.C. numbers are:

Biden:   227

Trump:  213

Trump falsely asserted election fraud, pledged to mount a legal challenge to official state results and made a premature claim of victory.

Washington Post:

Biden’s campaign manager slammed Trump’s early-morning statement, in which he falsely described continuing to count votes as fraud, calling it “outrageous, unprecedented, and incorrect.”

In a statement, Jen O’Malley Dillon described Trump’s speech as “a naked effort to take away the democratic rights of American citizens.” She said it was not up to the president to make such a call.

“The counting will not stop,” she wrote. “It will not stop until every duly cast vote is counted. Because that is what our laws — the laws that protect every American’s constitutional right to vote — require.”

It's amazing to understand that so many of my fellow Americans would want four more years of a guy who called the election for himself WITHOUT HAVING WON THE NECESSARY 270 ELECTORAL VOTES!!!

Trump doesn't know how our representative democracy works! And yet almost half of my fellow Americans still think he should be the head of that representative democracy?!

Several of far right trolls have left their idiotic comments bragging that Trump won.

It ain't over 'til ALL THE VOTES ARE COUNTED!


Postmaster General Louis DeJoy may have to testify under oath about the U.S. Postal Service’s apparent failures to adhere to court orders in a lawsuit over operational changes that disrupted the delivery of mail-in ballots during the election.
U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington said at a hearing Wednesday that he was “shocked” to hear about the USPS failures to follow through on the orders, including not completing a mandatory sweep of mail-processing facilities to look for undelivered ballots by 3 p.m. on Election Day.
“At some point, the postmaster is either going to have to be deposed or appear before me and testify under oath,” Sullivan said. “The court has been very clear that it expects full compliance” with its orders.

By Erik Larson



Shaw Kenawe said...

"In a rambling 2:30 am press conference loaded with false claims, Pres. Trump announced, 'We will be going to the Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop.' Providing no evidence of any kind, Trump claimed that Democrats are committing 'major fraud' to 'steal' the election. With millions of votes yet to be counted, he pronounced, 'As far as I'm concerned, we already have won it.'

More than 100 million Americans voted early this year, a record-breaking number, and a majority of those votes were cast by mail. With tens of millions of envelopes to open, signatures to verify, and ballots to count by hand, the full tally is expected to take much longer than usual this year. Many counties will not even begin counting mailed votes until Wednesday. All the ballots aren't even in.

Ballots postmarked by November 3 will be accepted in the key swing state of Pennsylvania as late as November 6 and in North Carolina as late as November 12. Ballots mailed from overseas by active-duty service members can be received even later in most states.

Trump has repeatedly demanded that counting should stop on election night, but even in years when it has been possible to quickly project a winner, a full count has never been completed on Election Day."

This utterly unhinged man said: "We want all voting to stop."

And people in this country support that insanity. What he really wanted was all the counting to stop!

It's difficult to look at my fellow Americans who support this dictator wannabe, who doesn't know how American democracy works.

Infidel753 said...

Trump's call to stop counting ballots is an open call for a coup d'├ętat. To refuse to count millions of valid ballots received on time would be very different from the Republicans' usual use of gimmicks to prevent people from voting in the first place. It would be unambiguously stealing the election and repudiating democracy.

I don't think the Supreme Court, even with its current make-up, is going to go along with something that serious and obviously illegal just on Trump's say-so -- and I don't know if the states still counting would obey them if they did.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Infidel753, Again Trump showed us how dedicated he is to his lawlessness.

What he demanded, as you said, would be a coup d'├ętat! And his supporters go along with his ignorance of how a representative democracy works.

Ray said...

TRUMPF’s POSTAL SERVICE was/is a key component to his attempted THEFT & undercount of BIDEN vote.

According to data released on Wednesday, the United States Postal Service failed to deliver thousands of absentee ballots around the country before the cut-off times — and one of the worst failures occurred in South Florida, where 27 percent of mail-in votes may have never been received.

Because the only way the Rethuglicans can win is through cheating!

Les Carpenter said...

trump needs to stay in the office of the presidency to avoid prosecution for his egregious and many criminal acts. That is his primary motivation here. If he's out of office he may very well have a cell waiting for him soon afterwards.

If this goes to the Supremes? I personally no longer trust the SCOTUS to do the right thing. This nation is too far down the rabbit hole to recover methinks.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"So far 69.8 million votes for Biden. Highest number of votes EVER for a US presidential candidate. Highest turnout in 120 years. If you voted for Biden, THIS is who you are. YOU did this. No matter what happens, YOU made history."

Ducky's here said...

They are already hatching conspiracy theories on the mother ship.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Ducky Do those theories include Soros? They usually blame him for all GOP screw-ups.

skudrunner said...

There are two things that came out of this election.

The democrats need to put a better candidate up for president. Biden will win by a narrow margin against the most hated president in history. Biden has six major news stations who have supported him and denounced trump from day one and one station that is 24/7 anti trump. A good candidate should have won by a double digits percentage.

The Republicans maintained control of the senate and gained seats in the house. That means cruella will not have a slam dunk turning the country farther left and maybe the madam will lose her pulpit.

All that said I will pray every day for joey to be healthy and watch his back.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Minus FJ says he is withdrawing from politics because corruption has won. I tried to leave a reply saying "corruption has been defeated", but his blog isn't accepting comments any longer. Lisa hasn't updated her blog in a long time (last post is Oct 2nd). It remains to be seen if she will return. A few people were complaining that she didn't praise Freethinke and mourn his loss. Usually she cuts off commenting after awhile. So far nothing. Maybe she has abandoned her blog?

Anyway, without the Senate how much can be accomplished? Not court reform, which will absolutely be needed. Maybe after all the bad rulings that are SURE to come (taking away rights from individuals, giving more rights to corporations) the voters will realize they need to give the Dems the senate in the 2022 midterms? At least Biden will put us on a path to defeating the virus. In the meantime, a vengeful Dotard will likely do as much damage as he can before he is removed.

Justin Frank (on a recent airing of the Thom Hartmann Program) said Dotard is a sadist. That would explain things like his inject disinfect comment. It gave him pleasure when some of his idiot followers ended up in the ER (or dead). Dotard likes to destroy things, so we are probably in for a rough ride before Biden is sworn in.

Franks World said...

The Democrats agenda is SOCIALISM, and that’s what all you Progressive Democrats voted for, you voted for the most extreme far left SOCIALIST AGENDA with a creep like Comrade Kamala Harris at the helm choke on it ! because if your Dear Leaders get their way we are all in for some hard economic times .....
And now you better learn how to kneel for Black Lives Matter and the great idea called “ANTIFA”

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

LOL, Frank. Standing by ready to kneel. And I WISH we were going to get all the socialism you THINK is coming. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary.

Dave Miller said...

Skud... Go away. At other sites you call Joe Biden "Criminal Joe" with no evidence whatsoever that he has ever committed a crime. Even if he is accused, someone in America is innocent until proven guilty. However you, like a lot of your conservative friends, don't seem to believe that applies to liberals, or Democrats like Joe Biden.

We're all pretty tolerant here of smart, reasoned and evidence based commentary that differs from us, but the push from people like you to categorize and delegitimize political candidates with which you disagree, without evidence, is a major part of the caustic lye that is rotting American politics.

Dave Miller said...

Derv said... "Minus FJ says he is withdrawing from politics"

I saw a couple of comments to that effect yesterday. If it is true, with all of his sock puppets, Google traffic will surely suffer.

Shaw Kenawe said...

To Franks Con World: You're hysterical. Calm down. Do you receive Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? Drive on US roads and bridges? Use libraries? Fire and police departments? National parks? Just to mention a few? All of us Americans pay into those so all of us Americans can avail ourselves of them. That's DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, and you've been paying into and enjoying it all your life.

As I said, calm down. Don't get carried away by FAUX NOOZ hysterics!

At this point, I'm not choking on anything nor will I if counting the votes gives Joe Biden the presidency and kicks Donald J. Trump's ass out of the White House.

In fact, I'll be doing a happy dance!

Take care of yourself. You sound stressed.

Anonymous said...

Ah, the “most extreme far left SOCIALIST AGENDA”

In President Harry's Truman's remarks in Syracuse, New York on October 10, 1952, he said this:

“Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.

Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.

Socialism is what they called farm price supports.

Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.

Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.

Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.

When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.

What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.”

Frankie’s Conservative World, you need some new material...


Shaw Kenawe said...

skud: "There are two things that came out of this election.

The democrats need to put a better candidate up for president."

S.K.: skud, if Biden wins (and it looks like he's on a path to do so, that would be THE BEST thing for the Democrats, therefore, we DID nominate THE BEST candidate. Your logic is faulty.

Your attempt to denigrate a possible win by Biden by saying he was a weak candidate, is bullshit, just like Trump's entire presidency. If Biden wins, that would be phenomenal, since ONLY TWO OTHER (Gerald Ford was never elected president) duly elected presidents since Harry Truman have been defeated for a second term. So you're logic is faulty again.

If Biden wins, it will be historic!

I could also make 20/20 assessments of why Trump did not walk away with a landslide win:

If he had been a decent, moral, responsible human being instead of a loud-mouth liar, cheat, and fraud and cared about Americans' lives during a raging pandemic, perhaps he would have won overwhelmingly.

But Trump is a malignant narcissist, and rarely do those personalites do well. They usually destroy other people's lives along with their own.


Shaw Kenawe said...

Derv, of course people like that Minus character will say Trump lost because of corruption! I expect that from Trumpers who have had no problem with glorifying the most corrupt president in modern American history. Those folks have been unable to see what is in front of their noses. And who's surprised. People who support a morally indecent conman like Trump never see their cult leader for what he is. AFAIC, Minus will not be missed in the blogging world.

Joe Biden was a respected senator before he was a v.p. Perhaps, if he wins, he will be able to deal with the McConnell mob. Who knows. We do know, if he's elected, he will be able to reverse all of Trumpie's executive orders, beginning with the Paris Accords, and reverse a lot of the damage Trump has done to the environment.

I'm more hopeful than nervous about what a Biden presidency could be.

Right now, before all the popular votes have been tallied, Joe Biden has won more of them than any other president in American history -- even more than Barack Obama!

I want to see the popular vote count before I say HALF the country was against him.

Remember! Hillary won, by 3 million, the popular vote. More Americans voted for her than voted for Trumpie!

Shaw Kenawe said...

PS. Derv, I didn't think anyone still visited Lisa's blog since Free Thinke passed. Wasn't he the only one who commented there anyway? He and dozens of Rusty's and Minus's sock puppets?

Les Carpenter said...

skud said The Republicans maintained control of the senate and gained seats in the house. That means cruella will not have a slam dunk turning the country farther left and maybe the madam will lose her pulpit.

Apparently Americans enjoy gridlock and insanity. The trump sycophantic GOP voted to keep trumpism alive and insure gridlock. Anti American Moscow Mitch the Bitch McConnell will have ANOTHER 4 years of obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, and more obstruction.

And Americans aren't nearly as smart as they believe they are.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Possumlady thank you for that reminder. It has been my experience that most people who scream: SOSHALISM!!! COMMIES! don't know what they're talking about. And you just showed Franks he doesn't either!

Some of the happiest countries on the planet are Democratic Socialist countries: Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, to name a few.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Dave, I didn't see that skud calls Joe Biden "Criminal Joe." It is beyond ignorant, since there is absolute proof of Trump's dishonesty: (Trump having to pay a $25 million fine for scamming people with his fake Trump U., and Trump and his spawn prohibited from running a charity because of their corruption), but skudrunner HAS NEVER LABELED TRUMP "CRIMINAL."

I can only surmise that people like skud and his fellow travelers approve of criminal behavior and corruption so long as a Republican engages in it. skud and his pals are hypocrites, in case you haven't noticed. And we'll hear more and more of their hypocrisy should Biden win this election.

Count on it!

Les Carpenter said...

Franks Conservative World has simply swallowed the age old meme that socialism is bad, bad, bad. Regardless of the FACT we have been a mixed economy (a combinatioin of capitalism and socialism) for many years. Millions upon millions of Americans would take to the streets if the government were to pull ALL the socialistic programs from folks AND businesses.

Franks Conservative World has been brainwashed and indoctrinated by cons to thge point of absurdity. But is figures he would be. All trumpers are in the same boat without oars, a motor, or a nautical map.

skudrunner said...

Rev, One of your statements has been proven false. If you recall Kavanaugh was pronounced guilty without proof and joey was found innocent without a hearing so you are innocent until proven guilty.

Ms Shaw, the tough truth is joey should have won by 10%. He had the media working against trump for four years and worked to have trump was vilified constantly. When was the last president who had an entire media network dedicated to bringing him down. Of course when was the last time a president was elected without campaigning.

I would like to see congress come forth with a decent healthcare plan instead of the abominationcare. I know you support government run healthcare and the idea of raising rates on 300 million to provide for 9 million was great but consider every healthcare need being taken care of by the VA.

I guess you never paid into SS or medicare because you consider them free. I consider them prepaid and would have rather invested that seizure of money so congress wouldn't have it to waste.

All that said I wish joey a healthy four years and he had better watch his back because cruella and madam have him in their sights.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Shaw: ...if he wins, he will be able to deal with the McConnell mob.

As per the Thom Hartmann Program, McConnell says he won't allow any "Liberals" to get voted on re Biden's cabinet -- and Biden is ready to go along. As a Bernie Sanders supporter, I expected Biden to disappoint me. I had heard, however, that he was working with Elizabeth Warren. Now it looks like we might get a cabinet of Conservadems and moderates.

The far Left -- people like Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball and Glenn Greenwald (people Minus says have "intellectual integrity" because they hate Biden and say Dotard was "framed") will be saying "I told you so". Even though it would have been worse for Dotard to get a second term. But I was hopeful that Biden would listen to the Left and allow us some crumbs.

Re "socialism", I keep asking my cousin if she is going to drop her state-subsidized health care insurance (and pay full price on the open market), but she never answers. She just keeps posting anti-socialism memes and videos. Joe Biden the socialist is for killing babies and gay people being married, so she wouldn't vote for him.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Kavanaugh was not pronounced guilty without proof. There were a number of people who wanted to talk to the FBI, but Dotard instructed the FBI to only re-interview the people they had already spoke with. And reporters investigated the claims against Joe Biden and found nobody that told similar stories to the story his one accuser told. Whereas multiple women came forward with similar stories about Kavanaugh (which the FBI never looked into).

btw, "Joey" is going to win bigly. James Carville says it isn't going to be as close as it looks. And that isn't taking into account Dotard's massive and multiple cheating efforts (PO not delivering ballots on time, regular effort to kick as many people off the rolls as possible, etc). In a FAIR election Joe Biden's margins would be much larger.

btw, that "cruella and madam" have "joey" in their sights is a delusion with zero basis in fact. You refer to allies that are going to work hand in hand. If you're referring to Harris and Pelosi (my guess as to who you're talking about with your inane nicknames).

Dave Miller ~ I've seen a few comments from Skud on some rw blogs, and there (the ones I've seen) he calls Joe Biden "predator joe". One discredited accuser makes Joe Biden a "predator" while 25 accusers doesn't do the same for Dotard.

Shaw Kenawe said...

skud: "joey was found innocent without a hearing so you are innocent until proven guilty."

What on Earth are you whining about now? What "hearing?" Do you mean a trial? Joe Biden was never indicted for a crime, so what the hell are you talking about?

I don't care what you think Joe Biden "should" have won. Nothing's been decided yet, number one. Number two, we have no idea about the numbers of people who voted for Biden vs. Trump. And we won't know until all the votes are counted.

Trump was "vilified" because he lied and was caught breaking the law. Remember his impeachment? Not only is Trump a pathological liar, he's a bullshitter, and most important:

Trump knew that Covid-19 was DEADLY and could even be spread through the air, and yet he LIED to and DECEIVED the American people and DISMISSED and MOCKED infectious disease experts. He is responsible for the high number of deaths America has suffered. FACT!

You never mention this because you're blind to how corrupt and rotten to his very core Trump is. That's what happens to people in a cult. You can point fingers at others but refuse to see the corruption in your own leader.

Every sane person in this country and abroad knows that Joe Biden is a decent, honorable, and flawed human being. The adjectives "decent and honorable" have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER been used to describe Trump. He's been a cheat, a liar, and a fraud all his life.

It appears enough Americans were ashamed to have Trump represent them, so they wanted him and his grifting family out of the White House.

We await the final count. And Trump cannot stop it!