The problem is that the current case is set up for winning appeal. The "trial " is about under what circumstance a payment was made not if he had sex. The testimony of the storm was totally unjustified and when the judge said maybe shouldn't have happened it set it up for appeal.
Having sex with a hooker is not the issue, how he paid her is and the prosecution totally overstepped and the judge agrees. Not going to be what the democrats want and it does point to a witch hunt to keep trump from campaigning.
The judge was surprised that the defense didn’t object to some of Ms. Daniel’s’ graphic details of the sexual encounter she had with Trump. The details are important because Trump wanted to keep his adultery with Ms. Daniel’s quiet, hence the payoff to keep her mouth shut.
Trump paid to have vital information about his morals withheld from the American people, thus keeping from voters important information about what sort of person he is, so they could make an informed decision. This story about his tryst with Daniels (and his mistress, Karen Mc Dougal) was about to come out right after the “Grab ‘em by the pu**y” tape.
What Trump did to cover up his adulteries is considered election interference, the crux of this criminal trial.
The current Republican Party is all in with a serial adulterer, an adjudicated rapist, and a convicted tax fraudster, in addition to all the other immoral and disgusting things Trump has done in his shameful life.
I can’t understand why any decent person would want someone like him back in the Oval Office.
Appeal or no appeal, it won't matter. If the jury finds Trump guilty, that's what people will know before the election. Any appeal will not be decided for years, as was the case with old Harvey.
So even if it is reversed, the early conviction will probably be enough to help us all save the republic from another Trump term.
Ms. Shaw, You seem to think he is indicted for having sex. He is indicted for paying his hooker with company funds. It has yet to been seen if he is found guilty so the Rev will have to wait.
With every republican candidate it is the end of democracy and the end of the republic if they win so your hysteria is expected. We had a dog issue with Romney and now with Noem so that is expected. the republicans have greene and the democrats have maxine so both sides have their kooks. What I can't understand is how anyone can vote for either candidate.
If the FBI had released hunters laptop maybe the results would be different so just because trump tried to cover up his sexual misdeeds is only one side of that argument.
Trump apologists say that *anything* that embarrasses Trump *at all* and *in any way* means mistrial. That is, candidly... hilarious. This is a criminal trial! It is going to be embarrassing! The facts will not be good!
I specifically state in my answer to your comment that this criminal trial is about ELECTION INTERFERENCE.
It is not illegal to cheat on your 3rd wife when she just had your 5th child.
Trump paid hush money to his one- night stand mistress and to Karen McDougal, another mistress. And he paid them off so that Americans who would vote in the 2016 election wouldn’t discover what a moral pig he is. He Hid information from the voting public by illegally paying off his two side honeys. The problem for Trump is the cover- up and how he made the payments.
You apparently are getting your info from unreliable sources, or you just don’t want to hear the truth.
Thank you for your comments. I wasn’t going to be here very often while visiting my California family, but I had a dental emergency a few days ago and am resting and recovering. Doing fine now.
As a member of the despicable male gender, I must confess disappointment with old Donald. There he is with a porn star and all he gets is a few moments in the missionary position. Sad Don. Very sad. Even Rush Limbaugh would have been disgusted.
He’s a scumbag. Cheated on his first wife, cheated on his second wife, had affairs with porn stars and playmates and God knows who else while 3rd wife at home with their new baby! He’s trash. No morals, no honor, no loyalty, no values. A worthless excuse for a human. No one with any Morals would vote for this SCUM BAG
Sen. Rick Scott: "When Trump left office, the border was secure, the economy was great, and we weren't at war." (In reality the unemployment rate was over 6 percent, 80k Americans were dying each month from covid, and we were still at war in Afghanistan.)
The last year Trump was in office saw the border situation worsening every month. Border crossings were at a 10 year high when Trump left office--& that was with COVID keeping the numbers down!
In all likelihood we may have lasted longer as a Nation than the Founders thought we would. Morals? Hell, our government spent it's first 70 years enacting policies to protect slaveholders. Not to mention the way Native Americans got shafted for even longer. After slavery came legislation to protect railroads. Then oil companies which still goes on today. Hell guys: maybe it's the lack of morals that has kept us going this long. As long as we have preachers and people that can twist the Bible or whatever religious text wants to misconstrue we're in good shape. Maybe Trump is the savior after all. Damn goody two shoes liberals wanting everyone to have food, shelter and health insurance is what is going to destroy us.
Just think if the kennedy's were alive today with internet exposure. I'm sure it would have been OK because the left even excuses a murderer who drove his mistress off a bridge.
You are right that illegal border crossings were high in 2020 at 400,000. They were nearly as high as two ana a half months with joey b at the helm with an excess of 2 million in 2021.
350,000 died from covid in 2020 which is a far cry from 80000 each month but facts don't matter.
Kennedy’s companion in the car, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopeckne, died. Kennedy pleaded guilty to the charge of leaving the scene of an accident; a grand jury declined to indict him on further charges. Kennedy's career never completely recovered from the incident.
Kennedy did NOT commit murder. Murder requires pre- meditation. And Kennedy was NEVER charged with murder.
It’s funny how many times skudrunner claims that Trump did not rape E. Jean Carroll, even though the judge (THE LAW) presiding over the defamation case clarified that when Trump penetrated E. Jean Carroll with his fingers, that IS rape.
“Under New York criminal law, an assault constitutes "rape" only if it involves vaginal penetration by a penis. That was the definition the jury was instructed to use in the civil case.
But the jurors' conclusion that Trump sexually abused Carroll "necessarily implies" that they did, in fact, believe he penetrated her with his fingers, Kaplan said.
Here was his reasoning:
Kaplan noted his instruction to the jury that, for Trump to have sexually abused Carroll, Trump needed to have touched her sexual or intimate parts. The only allegations from Carroll that could possibly fit that bill were forcible kissing, pulling down her tights, and vaginal penetration, he said.”
IMO, what Kennedy was responsible for was involuntary manslaughter, but the grand jury did not indict him for that.
The Republican presumptive nominee for POTUS, Donald J. Trump, was found liable for raping E. Jean Carroll.
Facts matter.
Calling what happened to Mary Jo Kopeckne “ murder” is slander. Refusing to accept that the Republican Party will nominate a rapist and tax fraudest is being willfully. Blind to facts and reality.
It is surprising that a Massachusetts grand jury wouldn't charge a member of the royal family with involuntary manslaughter or any crime. Must be the rich white privilege thing. Of course his wife was pregnant at the time so it is understandable that he was at a party with young women. Her father said that the one positive thing that came from her death was teddy wouldn't be president.
Now we have a president who said congress needs to pass a bill to aid Israel only to have him hold up the payment because of rioters. Why would any country believe what joey b says. Pull out of Afghanistan leaving millions of weapons behind as well as killing civilians and military, we support Israel unless it may cost me votes and allow russia to build a pipeline but not the US. Great leadership.
When truth is looking right at ya the motto of some appears to be simply ignore it and double down. The right prefected the practice so savior trump could arise.
For MAGA cultists trump is the second coming of the Christ. Jesus has taken a back seat to trump.
Biden Is Not the First U.S. President to Cut Off Weapons to Israel Ronald Reagan also used the power of American arms to influence Israeli war policy. The comparison underscores how much the politics of Israel have changed in the United States since the 1980s.
“The president was livid. He had just been shown pictures of civilians killed by Israeli shelling, including a small baby with an arm blown off. He ordered aides to get the Israeli prime minister on the phone and then dressed him down sharply.
The president was Ronald Reagan, the year was 1982, and the battlefield was Lebanon, where Israelis were attacking Palestinian fighters. The conversation Mr. Reagan had with Prime Minister Menachem Begin that day, Aug. 12, would be one of the few times aides ever heard the usually mild-mannered president so exercised.
“It is a holocaust,” Mr. Reagan told Mr. Begin angrily.
Mr. Begin, whose parents and brother were killed by the Nazis, snapped back, “Mr. President, I know all about a holocaust.”
Nonetheless, Mr. Reagan retorted, it had to stop. Mr. Begin heeded the demand. Twenty minutes later, he called back and told the president that he had ordered a halt to the shelling. “I didn’t know I had that kind of power,” Mr. Reagan marveled to aides afterward.” — NewYorkTimes
Bob Costas on Trump: “He is by far the most disgraceful figure in modern presidential history...
You have to be in the throes of some sort of toxic delusion in a toxic cult, to believe that Donald Trump has ever been in any sense, emotionally, psychologically, intellectually, or ethically fit to be president of the United States." (February 2024)
Biden cut off weapons shipment BECAUSE he is at least showing some concern over the 34,000+ innocent Palestinians deaths and 79,000+ wounded and maimed innocent Palestinians that Israel and Netanyahu are responsible for. He should have stopped shipments months ago. Genocide, which is Netanyahu's goal, is pure evil. And the US has essentially been suporting that through the sale and shipment of mechanisms of death.
“If you’re a thief, accuse your enemies of thievery. If corrupt, accuse your rivals of corruption. If a coward, accuse others of cowardice. Evidence is irrelevant; the goal is to dilute the truth and the case against you with “everyone does it”.
“As many have noted, we’re not going to solve our problems at the same level of consciousness on which we created them. If the national consciousness, the state of our national soul, is to repair, it will be because people begin to think as deeply as Thurman did and begin to be intolerant of the immoralities of their own side.
I was impressed this week by Georgia’s former lieutenant governor Geoff Duncan. A conservative Republican, he announced his decision to support Biden, and he rebuked those other conservatives who are appalled by Trump but still vow to vote for him. Duncan’s reasoning was straightforward: Character is more important than policy. Or to put it more grandly, the soul of our democracy is more important than whatever the future top tax rate might be.” —David Brooks, NYTIMES
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The problem is that the current case is set up for winning appeal. The "trial " is about under what circumstance a payment was made not if he had sex. The testimony of the storm was totally unjustified and when the judge said maybe shouldn't have happened it set it up for appeal.
Having sex with a hooker is not the issue, how he paid her is and the prosecution totally overstepped and the judge agrees. Not going to be what the democrats want and it does point to a witch hunt to keep trump from campaigning.
You got that COMPLETELY wrong, Skud.
The judge was surprised that the defense didn’t object to some of Ms. Daniel’s’ graphic details of the sexual encounter she had with Trump. The details are important because Trump wanted to keep his adultery with Ms. Daniel’s quiet, hence the payoff to keep her mouth shut.
Trump paid to have vital information about his morals withheld from the American people, thus keeping from voters important information about what sort of person he is, so they could make an informed decision. This story about his tryst with Daniels (and his mistress, Karen Mc Dougal) was about to come out right after the “Grab ‘em by the pu**y” tape.
What Trump did to cover up his adulteries is considered election interference, the crux of this criminal trial.
The current Republican Party is all in with a serial adulterer, an adjudicated rapist, and a convicted tax fraudster, in addition to all the other immoral and disgusting things Trump has done in his shameful life.
I can’t understand why any decent person would want someone like him back in the Oval Office.
I think I can simplify Trump's entire campaign.
"We hate the same people. We will punish them."
I'll just be cynical...
Appeal or no appeal, it won't matter. If the jury finds Trump guilty, that's what people will know before the election. Any appeal will not be decided for years, as was the case with old Harvey.
So even if it is reversed, the early conviction will probably be enough to help us all save the republic from another Trump term.
Since the GOP won't do it themselves.
Ms. Shaw, You seem to think he is indicted for having sex. He is indicted for paying his hooker with company funds. It has yet to been seen if he is found guilty so the Rev will have to wait.
With every republican candidate it is the end of democracy and the end of the republic if they win so your hysteria is expected. We had a dog issue with Romney and now with Noem so that is expected.
the republicans have greene and the democrats have maxine so both sides have their kooks. What I can't understand is how anyone can vote for either candidate.
If the FBI had released hunters laptop maybe the results would be different so just because trump tried to cover up his sexual misdeeds is only one side of that argument.
Save the republic, don't vote
Hope you're right Dave. I'm far from convinced.
Everybody's corrupt! That's how MAGAs are campaigning now, so their crookedness doesn't matter.
And MAGAs have no trouble believing that.
I'm thinking that Stormy Daniels just moved down is list of VP choices.
Trump apologists say that *anything* that embarrasses Trump *at all* and *in any way* means mistrial. That is, candidly... hilarious. This is a criminal trial! It is going to be embarrassing! The facts will not be good!
Skud,
I specifically state in my answer to your comment that this criminal trial is about ELECTION INTERFERENCE.
It is not illegal to cheat on your 3rd wife when she just had your 5th child.
Trump paid hush money to his one- night stand mistress and to Karen McDougal, another mistress. And he paid them off so that Americans who would vote in the 2016 election wouldn’t discover what a moral pig he is. He Hid information from the voting public by illegally paying off his two side honeys. The problem for Trump is the cover- up and how he made the payments.
You apparently are getting your info from unreliable sources, or you just don’t want to hear the truth.
BB-Idaho, Anon, Howard, Les, Dave D., Dave M.,
Thank you for your comments. I wasn’t going to be here very often while visiting my California family, but I had a dental emergency a few days ago and am resting and recovering. Doing fine now.
Ms. Shaw, Having a medical issue is always not great but having it away from home sucks. Glad to see you are doing well.
Oh man... a dental emergency or any emergency while away from home can be a disaster. Glad you're doing better.
As a member of the despicable male gender, I must confess disappointment with old Donald. There he is with a porn star and all he gets is a few moments in the missionary position. Sad Don. Very sad. Even Rush Limbaugh would have been disgusted.
He’s a scumbag. Cheated on his first wife, cheated on his second wife, had affairs with porn stars and playmates and God knows who else while 3rd wife at home with their new baby! He’s trash. No morals, no honor, no loyalty, no values. A worthless excuse for a human.
No one with any Morals would vote for this SCUM BAG
Apparently much of America is running with a very low moral standard for themselves.
Sen. Rick Scott: "When Trump left office, the border was secure, the economy was great, and we weren't at war." (In reality the unemployment rate was over 6 percent, 80k Americans were dying each month from covid, and we were still at war in Afghanistan.)
Shaw... pesky little things those facts.
For Skud
The last year Trump was in office saw the border situation worsening every month. Border crossings were at a 10 year high when Trump left office--& that was with COVID keeping the numbers down!
In all likelihood we may have lasted longer as a Nation than the Founders thought we would. Morals? Hell, our government spent it's first 70 years enacting policies to protect slaveholders. Not to mention the way Native Americans got shafted for even longer. After slavery came legislation to protect railroads. Then oil companies which still goes on today. Hell guys: maybe it's the lack of morals that has kept us going this long. As long as we have preachers and people that can twist the Bible or whatever religious text wants to misconstrue we're in good shape. Maybe Trump is the savior after all. Damn goody two shoes liberals wanting everyone to have food, shelter and health insurance is what is going to destroy us.
My good friend from the right, Mr. Skudrunner simply likes to channel his inner Reagan and never let the truth stand in the way of a good lie.
Just think if the kennedy's were alive today with internet exposure. I'm sure it would have been OK because the left even excuses a murderer who drove his mistress off a bridge.
You are right that illegal border crossings were high in 2020 at 400,000. They were nearly as high as two ana a half months with joey b at the helm with an excess of 2 million in 2021.
350,000 died from covid in 2020 which is a far cry from 80000 each month but facts don't matter.
Kennedy’s companion in the car, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopeckne, died. Kennedy pleaded guilty to the charge of leaving the scene of an accident; a grand jury declined to indict him on further charges. Kennedy's career never completely recovered from the incident.
Kennedy did NOT commit murder. Murder requires pre- meditation. And Kennedy was NEVER charged with murder.
It’s funny how many times skudrunner claims that Trump did not rape E. Jean Carroll, even though the judge (THE LAW) presiding over the defamation case clarified that when Trump penetrated E. Jean Carroll with his fingers, that IS rape.
“Under New York criminal law, an assault constitutes "rape" only if it involves vaginal penetration by a penis. That was the definition the jury was instructed to use in the civil case.
But the jurors' conclusion that Trump sexually abused Carroll "necessarily implies" that they did, in fact, believe he penetrated her with his fingers, Kaplan said.
Here was his reasoning:
Kaplan noted his instruction to the jury that, for Trump to have sexually abused Carroll, Trump needed to have touched her sexual or intimate parts. The only allegations from Carroll that could possibly fit that bill were forcible kissing, pulling down her tights, and vaginal penetration, he said.”
IMO, what Kennedy was responsible for was involuntary manslaughter, but the grand jury did not indict him for that.
The Republican presumptive nominee for POTUS, Donald J. Trump, was found liable for raping E. Jean Carroll.
Facts matter.
Calling what happened to Mary Jo Kopeckne “ murder” is slander. Refusing to accept that the Republican Party will nominate a rapist and tax fraudest is being willfully. Blind to facts and reality.
It is surprising that a Massachusetts grand jury wouldn't charge a member of the royal family with involuntary manslaughter or any crime. Must be the rich white privilege thing. Of course his wife was pregnant at the time so it is understandable that he was at a party with young women. Her father said that the one positive thing that came from her death was teddy wouldn't be president.
Now we have a president who said congress needs to pass a bill to aid Israel only to have him hold up the payment because of rioters. Why would any country believe what joey b says. Pull out of Afghanistan leaving millions of weapons behind as well as killing civilians and military, we support Israel unless it may cost me votes and allow russia to build a pipeline but not the US. Great leadership.
The Republican campaign, or at least the MAGA campaign is to tell us that Democrats are corrupt — because, isn't everybody?
And their people believe that.
I think your on to something there JoeBama.
When truth is looking right at ya the motto of some appears to be simply ignore it and double down. The right prefected the practice so savior trump could arise.
For MAGA cultists trump is the second coming of the Christ. Jesus has taken a back seat to trump.
There ya go again skuddy. But hey, old dogs (some) just can't learn new tricks. Right?
Biden Is Not the First U.S. President to Cut Off Weapons to Israel
Ronald Reagan also used the power of American arms to influence Israeli war policy. The comparison underscores how much the politics of Israel have changed in the United States since the 1980s.
“The president was livid. He had just been shown pictures of civilians killed by Israeli shelling, including a small baby with an arm blown off. He ordered aides to get the Israeli prime minister on the phone and then dressed him down sharply.
The president was Ronald Reagan, the year was 1982, and the battlefield was Lebanon, where Israelis were attacking Palestinian fighters. The conversation Mr. Reagan had with Prime Minister Menachem Begin that day, Aug. 12, would be one of the few times aides ever heard the usually mild-mannered president so exercised.
“It is a holocaust,” Mr. Reagan told Mr. Begin angrily.
Mr. Begin, whose parents and brother were killed by the Nazis, snapped back, “Mr. President, I know all about a holocaust.”
Nonetheless, Mr. Reagan retorted, it had to stop. Mr. Begin heeded the demand. Twenty minutes later, he called back and told the president that he had ordered a halt to the shelling. “I didn’t know I had that kind of power,” Mr. Reagan marveled to aides afterward.” — NewYorkTimes
Bob Costas on Trump: “He is by far the most disgraceful figure in modern presidential history...
You have to be in the throes of some sort of toxic delusion in a toxic cult, to believe that Donald Trump has ever been in any sense, emotionally, psychologically, intellectually, or ethically fit to be president of the United States."
(February 2024)
Biden cut off weapons shipment BECAUSE he is at least showing some concern over the 34,000+ innocent Palestinians deaths and 79,000+ wounded and maimed innocent Palestinians that Israel and Netanyahu are responsible for. He should have stopped shipments months ago. Genocide, which is Netanyahu's goal, is pure evil. And the US has essentially been suporting that through the sale and shipment of mechanisms of death.
So skuddy, wrong again you are.
Howard,
Chess champion, Gary Kasparov:
“If you’re a thief, accuse your enemies of thievery. If corrupt, accuse your rivals of corruption. If a coward, accuse others of cowardice. Evidence is irrelevant; the goal is to dilute the truth and the case against you with “everyone does it”.
Dave M., Dave Dubya,
“As many have noted, we’re not going to solve our problems at the same level of consciousness on which we created them. If the national consciousness, the state of our national soul, is to repair, it will be because people begin to think as deeply as Thurman did and begin to be intolerant of the immoralities of their own side.
I was impressed this week by Georgia’s former lieutenant governor Geoff Duncan. A conservative Republican, he announced his decision to support Biden, and he rebuked those other conservatives who are appalled by Trump but still vow to vote for him. Duncan’s reasoning was straightforward: Character is more important than policy. Or to put it more grandly, the soul of our democracy is more important than whatever the future top tax rate might be.” —David Brooks, NYTIMES
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