Vance wanted to be able to lie with impunity and NOT get fact checked on those lies!
"On the debate stage, Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump lost...That moment tells you the most important thing about Vance: When democracy is in peril, he will bow to Trump, not to the people or the Constitution. He must never be given that chance."
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VANCE IS AS MUCH OF A HYPOCRITICAL FLIP-FLOPPER AS THE SPINELESS NIKKI HALEY IS:
In this video montage, JD Vance says:
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1. He “never liked” Trump.
2. Trump never “tells the truth”.
3. Trump is a “total fraud”.
4. Trump doesn’t “care about folks” .
5. He “can’t stomach” Trump.
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Vance stated: “Trump saved the Affordable Care Act” In fact, Trump tried repeatedly to repeal the Affordable Care Act. It was John McCain who made that last minute vote to save this important piece of legislation.
Vance stated that Trump peacefully relinquished his power on January 20.
When pressed by Walz on whether Trump won the 2020 election, he refused to answer.
Trump, of course, did not win, and along with Vance, continues to lie about his loss.
Trump can order Congress to do stuff? Who knew? I always thought that there was a separation of powers...
You don't pay attention, do you.
Trump says ‘blame it on me’ if border bill fails
"While speaking to an animated crowd of backers in Las Vegas, Nev., Trump, the current GOP front-runner, appeared to welcome the potential blame he could face if successfully persuading Republicans in CongresS to tank the bipartisan border security bill."
“He (JD Vance) will be remembered for that final exchange about, ‘Did Trump lose the election?’ and he doesn’t answer. His technique is to not answer. It makes him the very first vice presidential candidate in history who doesn’t know who won the last presidential election.”
@Lawrence
Both of them did a good job and Walz was not the train wreck he was touted to be. The ACA was and still is a mess and trump tried to end it but failed so to say trump saved it is not true. Walz said illegal border “crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office,” looking at Harris’ entire time as vice president, illegal border crossings are up substantially.
I thought walz was more entertaining with his gee wizz looks and scribbling all the time. I was not a vance supporter but think his knowledge and the way he handled himself showed he would be a good president. Walz is like joey b, nice old guy but not a leader and gets confused because I guess he didn't march off to was or was at Tiananmen Square.
I pose a question to you since this is a big talking point with the democrats. What is their fair share billionaires should pay. All we want is for billionaires to pay their fair share but no one says how much their fair share is. Why not have everyone pay their fair share.
Wallace: JD Vance was still unable to say that Trump lost the election in 2020. And in that moment, I think everything that he did for 88 minutes was lost and wiped out by that inability to tell the truth
" I was not a vance supporter but think his knowledge and the way he handled himself showed he would be a good president."
Vance has a little over a year and a half in government. Before that he was a vulture capitalist and an author. He's a flip-flopper extraordinaire; he called Trump "American Hitler." And he is on record for wanting a federal ban on abortion, and he was unable to say Biden won the 2020 election.
LASTLY, AND WORST OF ALL: "Vance would have asked for new electors instead of certifying 2020 election results."
For your information, SKUD, that is not just illegal -- AGAINST THE LAW OF THE UNITED STATES, but it is traitorous to the US Constitution. There is absolutely no authority in our laws to do such an illegal thing. Yet Vance has said before the country that he would be okay with breaking the law and installing the loser of an election.
You think he would make a good POTUS? He's willing to break the law of the land to install HIS favored politician, not the will of the people's choice?
It's difficult to read your words and know you and I live in the same country and believe in the same laws, when you've just admitted you'd be okay with a man who would betray the Constitution and everything this country stands for, just because he has an "R" after his name?
What happened to you?
skud, it is difficult for me to answer anything else in your comment, since your opinion on Vance shocked me to my core.
Wait. I just reread you comment, because I still could not believe you'd state such an outrageous claim: that Vance would make a good POTUS.
And I read this little gem by you: "Walz is like joey b, nice old guy but not a leader and gets confused because I guess he didn't march off to was or was at Tiananmen Square."
You bring up a mistake Gov. Walz made about being in Tiananmen, when the mistake was TWO MONTHS!
Yet you have no problem with saying a man who would have BROKEN THE LAW TO INSTALL THE LOSER OF THE 2020 ELECTION is good presidential material.
Either you did NOT pay attention to Vance's admission of his willingness to trash the Constitution in service to a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, tax cheat, and guy who called military personnel who serve their country, "losers and suckers," or you've debased yourself for party loyalty along with the MAGA cultists.
It is stunning! And I understand more fully how low we as a people have fallen because of the criminal Trump and what he has done to unthinking Americans!
from "big tree" on Democratic Underground:
"...election denial is either a Trump delusion or a MAGA lie. Most Americans are barely tolerating Trump's fantastical claims about a 'stolen election' that he still complains about in public at every opportunity.
Even the Republicans who have aided him in that effort to overturn the result of that election are smart enough to stop drawing attention to it. But Vance is a stupid man who is being given some benefit of the doubt by some by pointing to how 'slick' he is when he lies; the same thing Donald Trump has made a political career out of."
Laurence Tribe
JD Vance’s absurd answer to how he and Trump would deal with insurers refusing to cover preexisting conditions? “We already have a law that bans that.” Yeah, we do. It’s called Obamacare!
SKUD: "Walz is like joey b, nice old guy..."
Tim Walz is 60 years old. Probably younger than you, skud! And he has more experience in politics, especially running a big state, Minnesota, than Vance who's been in government for a little over 1 1/2 years as a US Senator, half that time campaigning for the vp position. Vance has no idea how our government works, because he admitted he would have used fake electors instead of the electors the states LEGALLY sent to the US Capitol to ratify the electoral votes.
VANCE ADMITTED HE WOULD BE WILLING TO BREAK THE LAW TO KEEP THE LOSER OF AN ELECTION IN POWER. NEVER FORGET THAT!
In any other time in our country's history, anyone who made that claim would have been tarred and feathered and run out of town as a traitor to our country!
What happened to us?
His solution to school massacres - make the doors stronger with better locks and make the windows stronger. Does he own a construction company too?
Vance not admitting trump lost was not his finest moment. That is like kamala not admitting joey b was incompetent two years ago. He stated our energy production was at an all time high but his running mate wants to ban petroleum and support the Chinese efforts to go battery because they produce them.
Sending loves your way Shaw Kenawe. Not an easy post to read, and I'm certain not an easy post to reply to comments too.
skud asked what's a fair share for the oligarchs to pay. Here/now I'd say all their profits for the past twenty years as they were stolen from the workers. Fair is fair, correct? The top brass may have the final say but they aren't running the machines or cleaning the floors. It used to be that those at the top shared what was left over with the workers who made the profits happen in the first place. Then greed stepped in (personally I attribute the acceptance of greed to the introduction of processed cocaine. She did show me exactly what She planned to do to those who abused her gifts and I believed Her) and suddenly it was cool to shaft the worker bees. They aren't the genius - the head of the firm is the genius and they deserve all the accolades, earned or not. Or at least that's how I've interpreted events as they unfolded before me.
I liked Walz's ending - to paraphrase What is done to the least of me is done to me. I'm not Christian but that specific verse has always resonated with me. It is central to my beliefs that I recognize and honor the deity within.
Ah - it came to me, why skud thinks Vance would be a good President but not Walz - skud conflates authoritarianism with leadership. They are not the same at all. Strict is not authoritarianism by the way. Authoritarianism is It's My Way or the Highway. Had a few of those in my life and I just don't see the need to be around such folk. Exhausting really.
"Vance not admitting trump lost was not his finest moment. That is like kamala not admitting joey b was incompetent two years ago."
No, skud. It. Is. Not!
It is not even close as a comparison. It is shocking that you think overturning a free and fair election is comparable to an entirely made-up supposition about what VP Harris thinks about Pres. Biden's competence.
You never addressed any of my points in my answer to your comments about Vance and your opinion that he'd make a good POTUS. It's as though you come here, make unverified or made-up claims, and don't bother reading what I wrote. What's the point in that?
As to your unverified statement about VP Harris and banning petroleum, try doing some reading before posting false statements like you did:
"Vice President Kamala Harris aimed at moderates by voicing full-throated support for domestic oil production.
“We have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our reliance on foreign oil,” Harris said Tuesday night in Philadelphia. “We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over-rely on foreign oil.”
In a state where natural gas helps power the economy, she pivoted from her 2019 call for a ban on fracking — extracting natural gas by creating cracks in the earth’s bedrock.
Harris’s moves show how some top Democrats have abandoned the idea of blocking oil and gas drilling on public lands and waters — which President Joe Biden once embraced —
“I will not ban fracking,” she said. “I have not banned fracking as vice president of the United States. And, in fact, I was the tiebreaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking.”
Your Trumper friend, skuds also is unaware that production went up while Harris was in office. If it had gone down and prices went up and people couldn't afford to buy as much as they wanted, she would be blamed.
While the office of vice president is basically without any power, thanks to the Republican senators who voted against it, there was a tie vote on a bill to increase petroleum exploration, and she got to cast the tie breaking vote for the bill.
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