Well Shaw, even given her intellect and experience Nikki Haley has a streak of stubborn ignorance that, at least for me, is astounding.
But hey, there is no understanding conservatism anymore. It went off the rails into the weeds circa 1968 or thereabouts and good ole Ronnie Reagan put the con train of misery on steriods in 1980.
And so, here we are. With a con republican party actively firting with full on fascism and white rationalism in 2024.
No one’s applying “sin” to this, -FJ, but thanks for bringing it up.
The point, which you entirely missed, is that an American was denied a chance at being accepted to medical school in Georgia because of the color of his skin, just 65 years ago. We, as a nation that brags about “Liberty and Justice for all,” own that history, that history that people like Nikki Haley, who calls herself a woman of color, says never existed.
We were and, in many ways, still are a racist nation.
Haley undoubtedly knows better. She grew up in South Carolina in the seventies and eighties. She says what she's absorbed the necessity to say, over the years, to placate the kind of voters who make up the Republican base there.
The US today is probably one of the least racist countries in the world (most Americans don't know what the racial attitudes in most of Asia, Africa, and Latin America are like) but it is absurd to claim this wasn't a serious moral horror in the recent past. The days of Jim Crow and "strange fruit" are still within living memory.
Joe asks a pertinent question, one I've pondered many times over the years...
80 something years ago Americans imprisoned Japanese-American citizens just for being Japanese. Racism?
I think it was. There was no whole cloth imprisonment of Italians, Germans or others back then. Why?
Maybe it was the sheer quantity of ppl, as Joe suggested. But maybe it was a little easier to look at a person of Japanese descent and determine they weren't "American", or "American" enough.
I know for a fact my German ancestors who came here in the late 19th century and changed their name from their Jewish last name and left their heritage behind so as to not face the racism towards Jews back then.
But who can credibly argue that the Japanese were not treated differently because of their race?
In any event, the US officially apologized to the Japanese, admitted our error, or sin and paid each family impacted a sum of $20,000, the equivalent of about $55,000 today.
That man who wanted to be a doctor 65 years ago was robbed of his ability to become wealthy, because of racism and official government policies in many areas. His ancestors were robbed and his family was denied a chance to grow generational wealth, that to this day could be helping his family.
Is he or his family owed something because of that?
That's for government to decide.
But let's at least be honest...
The US government has in fact, apologized to at least one people group and paid reparations for official government sponsored racism or sins.
So the people, and they are legion, who criticize African Americans who advocate for reparations as freeloaders sucking on the government teat, should remember history.
Pres Ronald W Reagan thought it was a good idea to apologize and make at least a token offer to offset what our government took from the Japanese.
Why not African Americans and Native Americans too?
My niece’s father was sent to one of those internment camps. My nephew’s wife is a third generation Japanese American. Her father’s father was born in California. That didn’t save him from being sent to the camps after Pearl Harbor, however.
Meanwhile, my father was a naturalized American citizen who was born in Italy when WWII broke out, and he wasn’t sent to any camp.
If we can give reparations to the wronged Japanese-Americans who were unjustly put in internment camps, we sure as hell can compensate our African-American and Native American families whose generational wealth was stolen by racism.
In the early 21st century, Congress considered legislation to study treatment of European Americans during WWII, but it did not pass the House of Representatives. Activists and historians have identified certain injustices against these groups. Unlike Italian Americans and Japanese Americans, German American internees have never received financial compensation or an official apology for these events.
If we let him go on long enough, Kremlin agent -FJ/Joe Con would come to the conclusion that WHITE conservatives are the REAL victims of racism.
Those whiney Blacks have no idea of the persecution and oppression endured by white Trump supporters. This is real feature of the Trump Cult.
We remember Trump's racist birtherism for Obama drew the support of every white supremacist racist, Proud Boy, and neo-Nazi type American. Racism fills the MAGA cult with hate, but THEY are the "real victims" if you ask them.
Trump is still the messiah for all white nationalists and antisemites. We remember Fuentes and Ye were welcomed by Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
Here is the racist that almost half of American voters would support:
Nazis with torches marched in Charlottesville in 2017 yelling “Jews will not replace us,” that happened during the Trump administration. Also, Trump hosted a dinner at Mar-a-Largo for two antisemites, Nick Fuentes and Kanye West.
Donald Trump INVITED TWO ANTISEMITES TO HIS HOME! And entertained them. When an ex-president and a guy who wants to be president again does that, he’s signaling his approval of that scum.
You ought to look at Trump’s glass house before you start throwing stones at the Squad and others. Do you ever read anything other than FOX and other pro-Trump propaganda?
Shaw did you ever defend the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children? Do you ever listen to anything besides left-wing clap trap. The biggest anti-semite is your Lord and Savior Obama, who helped create ISIS and the Arab Spring. First of all those people that were at Charlottesville which attracted all kinds of people were not there because they were being anti-semites they were there because they wanted to protect the statues. some people did feel it wasn't right to destroy statues you know that's what Hitler did destroyed statues and you talk about Trump. I just love how all these left-wing media types were more upset about Biden calling a murderer who raped and bludgeoned to death an innocent 22 year old college student , an illegal immigrant but nothing about the girl he killed .all on display for the country to see. That's your group not mine. He couldn't even say her name right could you imagine if Trump said George Floyd's name wrong? left would of lost their s*** over that. Just goes to prove if Biden doesn't have a script to follow he's lost in space.His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity. Even a 5-year-old knows it's not raining when someone's pissing on him
The Left believes that they can atone for past injustices and construct a country for old men. They are mistaken. There are no countries for old men. And so they squander the good will of those who have gone before them, and carry no fires that can inspire their immediate successors.
White people are the Left's Anton Chigurth... Hitler's "Jews", their shark in "Jaws", their whale in Moby Dick. They don't realize that it's their own (and not somebody else's) "human nature" that they need to fight.
The Left is Sherriff Bell in "No Country for Old Men", chasing the imaginary psychopathic Anton Chigurh, through their stand-in perpetual villain, "White people".
"Shaw did you ever defend the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children?"
Did I ever DEFEND? the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children?
ANSWER: No! The atrocities are indefensible. And I also did not publish a post on this subject. So, I don't know what you're talking about.
LISA: "Do you ever listen to anything besides left-wing clap trap. The biggest anti-semite is your Lord and Savior Obama, who helped create ISIS and the Arab Spring."
S.K.: Oh, I see. It wasn't George W. Bush who stirred up that hornets nest by invading and bombing Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11. But go ahead and blame it on the Black guy. It's normal for you Trumpers.
LISA: "First of all those people that were at Charlottesville which attracted all kinds of people were not there because they were being anti-semites they were there because they wanted to protect the statues."
S.K.: Yeah. Right. That's why they chanted "Jews will not replace us!" Is that what those statues wanted the anti-semites to yell to protect them? Please. Tell us more.
LISA: "some people did feel it wasn't right to destroy statues you know that's what Hitler did destroyed statues and you talk about Trump."
S.K.: Those statues that you so eagerly defend were representatives of traitors to the United States of America. What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY. This, I believe, is not something you gave a lot of thought to. But that's why those statues were taken down: They represented LOSERS of a war against the United States and men who fought to keep slaves and slavery.
LISA: "I just love how all these left-wing media types were more upset about Biden calling a murderer who raped and bludgeoned to death an innocent 22 year old college student , an illegal immigrant but nothing about the girl he killed .all on display for the country to see."
Yes. We knew you'd "love" that exploitation of a heinous crime, but especially you'd love being able to pin it on Joe Biden and ignore the thousands of American children who die every day from firearm deaths because of this country's lax gun laws. It's the No.1 cause of death for children in America.
LISA: "That's your group not mine. He couldn't even say her name right could you imagine if Trump said George Floyd's name wrong? left would of lost their s*** over that. Just goes to prove if Biden doesn't have a script to follow he's lost in space.His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity."
S.K.: Lisa wrote: "His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity." Please enlighten us, Lisa, on what degree you hold in geriatric psychiatry, and how long you've been in practice. Otherwise this is nothing more than UNINFORMED BLATHERY GOSSIP.
The rest of your comment is a typical thought pattern of a person who looks at a finger pointing at a horrendous problem and concentrates on the finger instead of the actual problem in order to solve it.
What a glorious day it is! Of course it is always a glorious day when a member of the Cult of tRump Sheeples have their arses handed to them on a platter.
I'm glad Lisa is here sharing her misinformation and irrational ideation and indoctrination.
Will she notice the difference between how we respond to her and how her readers respond to people like us?
OF COURSE she has no clue that the Charlottesville rally was organized by white supremacists who called it a "Unite the Right Rally".
Of course she cannot admit treasonous Confederates slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Americans in a war to preserve slavery. (It would offend her "heritage"?)
Whenever -FJ/Joe Con begins a sentence with, "The left believes" we can expect a lie to follow. The radical Right won't actually share QUOTES, or indicate the belief is pervasive in the majority of those who oppose Trump and fascism.
Since -FJ traffics in absurd generalities, let's see how he responds to this one.
-FJ agrees with with all of Lisa's statements.
Will he stand by her words? (In good faith discussion this would require disproving or debunking Shaw's responses.) Will he dispute ANY of what she spews? (Not likely.) Will he help her see where she's mistaken? (This would be like Trump admitting he LOST and LIED and tried to STEAL the 2020 election? -FJ has yet to show the evidence that Trump won. When I requested it, he reacted as if the dog ate his homework.)
Or will he simply IGNORE what I'm saying?
At most I expect he'll deflect with an irrelevant youtube or blog link. If so, then my statement stands.
At Charlottesville, there were people marching with Nazi insignias and torches chanting "Jews will not replace us."
Wasn't that antisemitic?
As for the statues, you've got it backwards.
Germany did destroy the statues to Hitler, the Third Reich, Himmler and Goering after the war. Because they were traitors to Germany. Traitors just like Lee, Jackson, Bragg, Hood and more.
Ask yourself this... why do you, and others continue to defend a set of statues to people who worked to dissolve the United States, were primarily responsible for more than 500,000 American deaths and did so for the expressed purpose of maintaining and owning slaves?
Now I know some of you MAGA folks want to claim it's US history and these guys were great generals. But they were not. The southern generals were losers! They went to war to destroy the US and got crushed by the north.
If you, in your heart of hearts really believe we should honor these folks because they were such great military leaders, tell me why we should not also honor and revere Admiral Yamamoto of Japan.
At least he scored a great victory against US forces. The attack on Pearl was genius, far more daring and successful than anything the Civil War losers pulled off. But in the end, like them, Yamamoto was a loser too.
And the US does not build and maintain statues to honor losers.
"What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
People that forgive and that don't resent and therefore hold eternal racial grudges against the "unredeemable" race."
Well, then you can be the first to suggest we erect a statue to General Yamamoto, at Pearl Harbor, since we're quite friendly with Japan, and that would show we don't hold an eternal grudge against that country or its people.
I propose that you do this in accordance with your answer to my question. And do it soon, to show you really mean what you wrote.
And since we're allies with Germany, why don't you suggest we erect a statue of Adolph Hitler near a Jewish community to show there's no "eternal grudge" against him either?
Years ago on her blog she wrote that there are such things as "false facts."
So you probably won't get a rational answer from her.
Have you read her blog lately? Whew!
She accuses me of listening only to "left wing clap trap[sic]"
I don't have cable so I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, or FAUX NOOZ. I generally, but not always, watch BBC America and PBS's Newshour, and my local news to keep up on what's happening in the Boston area.
Lisa doesn't share where she gets her info, but perhaps its Newsmax, FAUX NOOZ, and OAN?
Perhaps -fj that may have been, repeat, may have been the original intention.
But today, to keep and maintain the statues of traitors to the United States of America only indicates support for a part of our history that any compassionate (relative to people of color, specifically black people), patriotic, and honest individual finds reprehensible and unacceptable.
Out to lunch Lisa wants to believe in a fictional "Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect".
What else can be expected from someone who practically worships Trump and takes his every word as gospel. Yes, even, "Hitler did a lot of good things".
Kremlin agent -FJ/Joe Con are also TERRIFIED to disagree with their malevolent mendacious messiah.
What does this tell us?
“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” ~ Maya Angelou
Lisa said... "Right next to a Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect"
No. Lisa, this is more accurate because I can bring the receipts:
Right next to a Hitler statue that Trump would be more than happy to erect.
Ex-Trump chief of staff John Kelly backs claim ex-prez praised Hitler: ‘Did some good things’
Former Trump White House chief of staff John Kelly has publicly supported a longstanding allegation that the former president spoke warmly about Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, who Trump allegedly said “did some good things.”
Kelly recounted the supposed comments while dishing on what he called the 45th president’s affection for strongmen to CNN’s Jim Sciutto for the latter’s forthcoming book, “The Return of Great Powers.”
“[Trump] said, ‘Well, but Hitler did some good things.’ I said, ‘Well, what?’ And he said, ‘Well, [Hitler] rebuilt the economy.’ But what did he do with that rebuilt economy?” Kelly told the author.
“[Hitler] turned it against his own people and against the world. And I said, ‘Sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing,’” Kelly went on.
Trump, loving the uneducated and easily duped sheeple, looks to a future completely void of truth, intellectual honesty, and integrity.
A vote for Trump is a vote for autocratic authoritarian leadership and a vote for the detruction of democracy and our democratic republic.
Only blind, deaf, and uninformed people will cast a vote for the narcissistic lying insurrectionist and rapist.
The 72 million dollars the Evangelical organization is giving Trump must really have their Jesus scratching his head. So much for loving ones neighbor and doing unto others as you would have them do to you. It'll be everyone for themselves selfishness that the Evangelicals are supporting by supporting the orange hued human orangutan.
Be still my beating heart. Shaw posed a question and -FJ actually posited a response. Two words to start...
Thank You
Here's Shaw's original question...
"What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY."
To which -FJ replied...
"People that forgive and that don't resent and therefore hold eternal racial grudges against the 'unredeemable' race."
Lost in the response is some nuance as -FJ tries to twist forgiveness and apply it to POC in general and I believe, African Americans in particular.
That nuance would yes, include forgiveness, but not consequences or a responsibility for the repenting party, the beneficiary of the noted forgiveness, to make reparations or provide restitution to the aggrieved.
In a personal relationship, a husband or wife, cheated upon by their spouse, certainly can choose to forgive, but then also to put up boundaries, potentially end the relationship, or walk away.
Forgiveness does not require future or ongoing relationship with the sinner, for lack of a better term.
So yes, we can forgive the sins of the Confederacy. But we hold them accountable for their actions, which split our country and to this day, are a stain on our history and continue to divide us.
The desire to remove statues to the very people who desired to destroy the United States of America, is fully in line with the ideas of the leaders of the US at the end of the Civil War who felt we could forgive, but that there should be some ongoing penalty for the leaders of the south.
Forgiveness is not restoration and forgetfulness.
Both of those come after the "sinners" work to repair the breach, make reparations, acknowledge their wrong doing and change their lives to show that their words of repentance, match their actions.
We're still waiting to see that from the Civil War crowd, the Nazi antisemitic folks and those claiming we have no responsibility to continue to make Native Americans and African Americans whole after centuries of abuse and subjugation.
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65 years ago. A sin no working man alive younger than Joe Biden is responsible for today.
Well Shaw, even given her intellect and experience Nikki Haley has a streak of stubborn ignorance that, at least for me, is astounding.
But hey, there is no understanding conservatism anymore. It went off the rails into the weeds circa 1968 or thereabouts and good ole Ronnie Reagan put the con train of misery on steriods in 1980.
And so, here we are. With a con republican party actively firting with full on fascism and white rationalism in 2024.
No one’s applying “sin” to this, -FJ, but thanks for bringing it up.
The point, which you entirely missed, is that an American was denied a chance at being accepted to medical school in Georgia because of the color of his skin, just 65 years ago. We, as a nation that brags about “Liberty and Justice for all,” own that history, that history that people like Nikki Haley, who calls herself a woman of color, says never existed.
We were and, in many ways, still are a racist nation.
Les,
Yes, Nikki, like most Trumpers, denies reality.
Haley undoubtedly knows better. She grew up in South Carolina in the seventies and eighties. She says what she's absorbed the necessity to say, over the years, to placate the kind of voters who make up the Republican base there.
The US today is probably one of the least racist countries in the world (most Americans don't know what the racial attitudes in most of Asia, Africa, and Latin America are like) but it is absurd to claim this wasn't a serious moral horror in the recent past. The days of Jim Crow and "strange fruit" are still within living memory.
80 something years ago Americans imprisoned Japanese-American citizens just for being Japanese. Racism?
They treated most German-Americans as "specific cases" (a form of pre-crime). Think it was because the system was racist, or because as a practical matter, there were too many Germans to lock up?
Is America racist? Judging by the USAF's "aspirational" quota system I'd have to agree. They're racist as hell!
Joe asks a pertinent question, one I've pondered many times over the years...
80 something years ago Americans imprisoned Japanese-American citizens just for being Japanese. Racism?
I think it was. There was no whole cloth imprisonment of Italians, Germans or others back then. Why?
Maybe it was the sheer quantity of ppl, as Joe suggested. But maybe it was a little easier to look at a person of Japanese descent and determine they weren't "American", or "American" enough.
I know for a fact my German ancestors who came here in the late 19th century and changed their name from their Jewish last name and left their heritage behind so as to not face the racism towards Jews back then.
But who can credibly argue that the Japanese were not treated differently because of their race?
In any event, the US officially apologized to the Japanese, admitted our error, or sin and paid each family impacted a sum of $20,000, the equivalent of about $55,000 today.
That man who wanted to be a doctor 65 years ago was robbed of his ability to become wealthy, because of racism and official government policies in many areas. His ancestors were robbed and his family was denied a chance to grow generational wealth, that to this day could be helping his family.
Is he or his family owed something because of that?
That's for government to decide.
But let's at least be honest...
The US government has in fact, apologized to at least one people group and paid reparations for official government sponsored racism or sins.
So the people, and they are legion, who criticize African Americans who advocate for reparations as freeloaders sucking on the government teat, should remember history.
Pres Ronald W Reagan thought it was a good idea to apologize and make at least a token offer to offset what our government took from the Japanese.
Why not African Americans and Native Americans too?
Dave M.,
My niece’s father was sent to one of those internment camps. My nephew’s wife is a third generation Japanese American. Her father’s father was born in California. That didn’t save him from being sent to the camps after Pearl Harbor, however.
Meanwhile, my father was a naturalized American citizen who was born in Italy when WWII broke out, and he wasn’t sent to any camp.
If we can give reparations to the wronged Japanese-Americans who were unjustly put in internment camps, we sure as hell can compensate our African-American and Native American families whose generational wealth was stolen by racism.
You ignored the link...
In the early 21st century, Congress considered legislation to study treatment of European Americans during WWII, but it did not pass the House of Representatives. Activists and historians have identified certain injustices against these groups. Unlike Italian Americans and Japanese Americans, German American internees have never received financial compensation or an official apology for these events.
@ Dave - You seem to think that African Americans haven't received reparations and so suffer from lost opportunities for building generational wealth.
60 years, 3 generations of affirmative action was nothing? How many more would be needed?
Yet here we are today with anti-Semitism on the rise, particularly in our so-called "diverse" universities and squad members in our Congress
If we let him go on long enough, Kremlin agent -FJ/Joe Con would come to the conclusion that WHITE conservatives are the REAL victims of racism.
Those whiney Blacks have no idea of the persecution and oppression endured by white Trump supporters. This is real feature of the Trump Cult.
We remember Trump's racist birtherism for Obama drew the support of every white supremacist racist, Proud Boy, and neo-Nazi type American. Racism fills the MAGA cult with hate, but THEY are the "real victims" if you ask them.
Trump is still the messiah for all white nationalists and antisemites. We remember Fuentes and Ye were welcomed by Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
Here is the racist that almost half of American voters would support:
"Trump’s long history of racism"
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
If you believe there's no rampant racism left in the US, you probably believe Trump is an honest and kind man who never broke the law.
Dear Lisa,
Nazis with torches marched in Charlottesville in 2017 yelling “Jews will not replace us,” that happened during the Trump administration. Also, Trump hosted a dinner at Mar-a-Largo for two antisemites, Nick Fuentes and Kanye West.
Donald Trump INVITED TWO ANTISEMITES TO HIS HOME! And entertained them. When an ex-president and a guy who wants to be president again does that, he’s signaling his approval of that scum.
You ought to look at Trump’s glass house before you start throwing stones at the Squad and others. Do you ever read anything other than FOX and other pro-Trump propaganda?
Dave Dubya,
I don’t pay attention to white people who pretend to know what people of color deserve and don’t deserve.
-FJ’s comment is just as foolish, IMO, as Haley’s when she claimed America was never a racist country.
Shaw did you ever defend the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children? Do you ever listen to anything besides left-wing clap trap. The biggest anti-semite is your Lord and Savior Obama, who helped create ISIS and the Arab Spring. First of all those people that were at Charlottesville which attracted all kinds of people were not there because they were being anti-semites they were there because they wanted to protect the statues. some people did feel it wasn't right to destroy statues you know that's what Hitler did destroyed statues and you talk about Trump.
I just love how all these left-wing media types were more upset about Biden calling a murderer who raped and bludgeoned to death an innocent 22 year old college student , an illegal immigrant but nothing about the girl he killed .all on display for the country to see. That's your group not mine. He couldn't even say her name right could you imagine if Trump said George Floyd's name wrong? left would of lost their s*** over that.
Just goes to prove if Biden doesn't have a script to follow he's lost in space.His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity.
Even a 5-year-old knows it's not raining when someone's pissing on him
The Left believes that they can atone for past injustices and construct a country for old men.
They are mistaken. There are no countries for old men. And so they squander the good will of those who have gone before them, and carry no fires that can inspire their immediate successors.
*tsk-tsk*
White people are the Left's Anton Chigurth... Hitler's "Jews", their shark in "Jaws", their whale in Moby Dick. They don't realize that it's their own (and not somebody else's) "human nature" that they need to fight.
The Left is Sherriff Bell in "No Country for Old Men", chasing the imaginary psychopathic Anton Chigurh, through their stand-in perpetual villain, "White people".
Lisa said...
"Shaw did you ever defend the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children?"
Did I ever DEFEND? the atrocities committed against Israeli women and children?
ANSWER: No! The atrocities are indefensible. And I also did not publish a post on this subject. So, I don't know what you're talking about.
LISA: "Do you ever listen to anything besides left-wing clap trap. The biggest anti-semite is your Lord and Savior Obama, who helped create ISIS and the Arab Spring."
S.K.: Oh, I see. It wasn't George W. Bush who stirred up that hornets nest by invading and bombing Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9/11. But go ahead and blame it on the Black guy. It's normal for you Trumpers.
LISA: "First of all those people that were at Charlottesville which attracted all kinds of people were not there because they were being anti-semites they were there because they wanted to protect the statues."
S.K.: Yeah. Right. That's why they chanted "Jews will not replace us!" Is that what those statues wanted the anti-semites to yell to protect them? Please. Tell us more.
LISA: "some people did feel it wasn't right to destroy statues you know that's what Hitler did destroyed statues and you talk about Trump."
S.K.: Those statues that you so eagerly defend were representatives of traitors to the United States of America. What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY. This, I believe, is not something you gave a lot of thought to. But that's why those statues were taken down: They represented LOSERS of a war against the United States and men who fought to keep slaves and slavery.
LISA: "I just love how all these left-wing media types were more upset about Biden calling a murderer who raped and bludgeoned to death an innocent 22 year old college student , an illegal immigrant but nothing about the girl he killed .all on display for the country to see."
Yes. We knew you'd "love" that exploitation of a heinous crime, but especially you'd love being able to pin it on Joe Biden and ignore the thousands of American children who die every day from firearm deaths because of this country's lax gun laws. It's the No.1 cause of death for children in America.
LISA: "That's your group not mine. He couldn't even say her name right could you imagine if Trump said George Floyd's name wrong? left would of lost their s*** over that.
Just goes to prove if Biden doesn't have a script to follow he's lost in space.His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity."
S.K.: Lisa wrote: "His problem is not a stutter,it's diminished capacity." Please enlighten us, Lisa, on what degree you hold in geriatric psychiatry, and how long you've been in practice. Otherwise this is nothing more than UNINFORMED BLATHERY GOSSIP.
The rest of your comment is a typical thought pattern of a person who looks at a finger pointing at a horrendous problem and concentrates on the finger instead of the actual problem in order to solve it.
What a glorious day it is! Of course it is always a glorious day when a member of the Cult of tRump Sheeples have their arses handed to them on a platter.
Outstanding!
What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
People that forgive and that don't resent and therefore hold eternal racial grudges against the "unredeemable" race.
I'm glad Lisa is here sharing her misinformation and irrational ideation and indoctrination.
Will she notice the difference between how we respond to her and how her readers respond to people like us?
OF COURSE she has no clue that the Charlottesville rally was organized by white supremacists who called it a "Unite the Right Rally".
Of course she cannot admit treasonous Confederates slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Americans in a war to preserve slavery. (It would offend her "heritage"?)
Whenever -FJ/Joe Con begins a sentence with, "The left believes" we can expect a lie to follow. The radical Right won't actually share QUOTES, or indicate the belief is pervasive in the majority of those who oppose Trump and fascism.
Since -FJ traffics in absurd generalities, let's see how he responds to this one.
-FJ agrees with with all of Lisa's statements.
Will he stand by her words? (In good faith discussion this would require disproving or debunking Shaw's responses.) Will he dispute ANY of what she spews? (Not likely.) Will he help her see where she's mistaken? (This would be like Trump admitting he LOST and LIED and tried to STEAL the 2020 election? -FJ has yet to show the evidence that Trump won. When I requested it, he reacted as if the dog ate his homework.)
Or will he simply IGNORE what I'm saying?
At most I expect he'll deflect with an irrelevant youtube or blog link. If so, then my statement stands.
-FJ agrees with with all of Lisa's statements.
Lisa, your "false facts" won't fly here.
At Charlottesville, there were people marching with Nazi insignias and torches chanting "Jews will not replace us."
Wasn't that antisemitic?
As for the statues, you've got it backwards.
Germany did destroy the statues to Hitler, the Third Reich, Himmler and Goering after the war. Because they were traitors to Germany. Traitors just like Lee, Jackson, Bragg, Hood and more.
Ask yourself this... why do you, and others continue to defend a set of statues to people who worked to dissolve the United States, were primarily responsible for more than 500,000 American deaths and did so for the expressed purpose of maintaining and owning slaves?
Now I know some of you MAGA folks want to claim it's US history and these guys were great generals. But they were not. The southern generals were losers! They went to war to destroy the US and got crushed by the north.
If you, in your heart of hearts really believe we should honor these folks because they were such great military leaders, tell me why we should not also honor and revere Admiral Yamamoto of Japan.
At least he scored a great victory against US forces. The attack on Pearl was genius, far more daring and successful than anything the Civil War losers pulled off. But in the end, like them, Yamamoto was a loser too.
And the US does not build and maintain statues to honor losers.
-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...
"What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
People that forgive and that don't resent and therefore hold eternal racial grudges against the "unredeemable" race."
Well, then you can be the first to suggest we erect a statue to General Yamamoto, at Pearl Harbor, since we're quite friendly with Japan, and that would show we don't hold an eternal grudge against that country or its people.
I propose that you do this in accordance with your answer to my question. And do it soon, to show you really mean what you wrote.
And since we're allies with Germany, why don't you suggest we erect a statue of Adolph Hitler near a Jewish community to show there's no "eternal grudge" against him either?
Dave Dubya
Years ago on her blog she wrote that there are such things as "false facts."
So you probably won't get a rational answer from her.
Have you read her blog lately? Whew!
She accuses me of listening only to "left wing clap trap[sic]"
I don't have cable so I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, or FAUX NOOZ. I generally, but not always, watch BBC America and PBS's Newshour, and my local news to keep up on what's happening in the Boston area.
Lisa doesn't share where she gets her info, but perhaps its Newsmax, FAUX NOOZ, and OAN?
This time I'll try it in the form of a question.
-FJ, do you agree with Lisa's statements above?
Yes, no, or only the following_______.
Perhaps -fj that may have been, repeat, may have been the original intention.
But today, to keep and maintain the statues of traitors to the United States of America only indicates support for a part of our history that any compassionate (relative to people of color, specifically black people), patriotic, and honest individual finds reprehensible and unacceptable.
Period.
Oh no I get all my information from MSNBC. you know the ones who filter what they want you to hear.
Right next to a Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect
Is this true, -FJ/Joe Con, "a Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect"?
Are we to assume you agree with everything Lisa says?
Or do you prefer she hold such outrageously false and hateful positions because hate and lies are for Trump's and Putin's benefit?
Maybe both? There's a reason you countenance such hate and falsehoods.
Either way, your silence indicates your immoral concurrence or intellectual parity, proving Shaw's assessment.
It also indicates a bond of groupthink within cult.
Is this moral cowardice why you're afraid to answer me?
We see that Lisa is off her meds again.
Out to lunch Lisa wants to believe in a fictional "Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect".
What else can be expected from someone who practically worships Trump and takes his every word as gospel. Yes, even, "Hitler did a lot of good things".
Kremlin agent -FJ/Joe Con are also TERRIFIED to disagree with their malevolent mendacious messiah.
What does this tell us?
“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” ~ Maya Angelou
Lisa said...
"Right next to a Hamas statue that the left would be more than happy to erect"
No. Lisa, this is more accurate because I can bring the receipts:
Right next to a Hitler statue that Trump would be more than happy to erect.
Ex-Trump chief of staff John Kelly backs claim ex-prez praised Hitler: ‘Did some good things’
Former Trump White House chief of staff John Kelly has publicly supported a longstanding allegation that the former president spoke warmly about Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, who Trump allegedly said “did some good things.”
Kelly recounted the supposed comments while dishing on what he called the 45th president’s affection for strongmen to CNN’s Jim Sciutto for the latter’s forthcoming book, “The Return of Great Powers.”
“[Trump] said, ‘Well, but Hitler did some good things.’ I said, ‘Well, what?’ And he said, ‘Well, [Hitler] rebuilt the economy.’ But what did he do with that rebuilt economy?” Kelly told the author.
“[Hitler] turned it against his own people and against the world. And I said, ‘Sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing,’” Kelly went on.
Very accurate statement Lisa regarding FAUX News, OAN, and any number of con networks.
Trump, loving the uneducated and easily duped sheeple, looks to a future completely void of truth, intellectual honesty, and integrity.
A vote for Trump is a vote for autocratic authoritarian leadership and a vote for the detruction of democracy and our democratic republic.
Only blind, deaf, and uninformed people will cast a vote for the narcissistic lying insurrectionist and rapist.
The 72 million dollars the Evangelical organization is giving Trump must really have their Jesus scratching his head. So much for loving ones neighbor and doing unto others as you would have them do to you. It'll be everyone for themselves selfishness that the Evangelicals are supporting by supporting the orange hued human orangutan.
Be still my beating heart. Shaw posed a question and -FJ actually posited a response. Two words to start...
Thank You
Here's Shaw's original question...
"What kind of country erects statues of the generals who LOST A WAR THAT WAS WAGED AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY."
To which -FJ replied...
"People that forgive and that don't resent and therefore hold eternal racial grudges against the 'unredeemable' race."
Lost in the response is some nuance as -FJ tries to twist forgiveness and apply it to POC in general and I believe, African Americans in particular.
That nuance would yes, include forgiveness, but not consequences or a responsibility for the repenting party, the beneficiary of the noted forgiveness, to make reparations or provide restitution to the aggrieved.
In a personal relationship, a husband or wife, cheated upon by their spouse, certainly can choose to forgive, but then also to put up boundaries, potentially end the relationship, or walk away.
Forgiveness does not require future or ongoing relationship with the sinner, for lack of a better term.
So yes, we can forgive the sins of the Confederacy. But we hold them accountable for their actions, which split our country and to this day, are a stain on our history and continue to divide us.
The desire to remove statues to the very people who desired to destroy the United States of America, is fully in line with the ideas of the leaders of the US at the end of the Civil War who felt we could forgive, but that there should be some ongoing penalty for the leaders of the south.
Forgiveness is not restoration and forgetfulness.
Both of those come after the "sinners" work to repair the breach, make reparations, acknowledge their wrong doing and change their lives to show that their words of repentance, match their actions.
We're still waiting to see that from the Civil War crowd, the Nazi antisemitic folks and those claiming we have no responsibility to continue to make Native Americans and African Americans whole after centuries of abuse and subjugation.
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