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Saturday, April 6, 2024

THE TRUMPUBLICAN AGENDA: End contraception. No. Really. Listen to the GOP state senator from Wisconsin:




Les Carpenter said...

Keeping with muddle and mush the trumpublican party babbles on. While its cultists blindly lap up the bullsh*t the uneducated and uninformed love for their emotinal sustenance.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Your TRUMPUBLICAN (Chuck Wichgers) hates Trump and his supporters. He's your "ally", not mine. But thanks for the schmear. Even an Everything bagel can always use some... but sometimes the little pieces get all over the front of your own shirt.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"In his remarks, Wichgers perpetuated the myths that contraception leads to 'infidelity,' a 'loss of respect for women,' and a 'proliferation of STDs.' Wichgers' claims are baseless and not supported by scientific evidence. There is no causal relationship between contraception and infidelity or men devaluing women."

Republican Lawmaker Rants About Contraception Going Against Nature
Published Jun 23, 2023

June 24, 2022, 1:26 PM EDT / Updated June 24, 2022, 4:05 PM EDT
By Adam Edelman
The Supreme Court must revisit and overrule past landmark decisions that legalized the right to obtain contraception, the right to same-sex intimacy and the right to same-sex marriage, conservative Justice Clarence Thomas wrote Friday.

Thomas, in a concurring opinion to the court’s precedent-breaking decision overturning Roe v. Wade and wiping out constitutional protections for abortion rights, said that he would do away with the doctrine of “substantive due process” and explicitly called on the court to overrule the watershed civil rights rulings in Griswold v. Connecticut, Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell v. Hodges.

Griswold was a 1965 Supreme Court decision that established the right for married couples to buy and use contraceptives.

The Republican Party wants to do away with legal access to contraception.

Overturning Roe v Wade is only the beginning

Anti-abortion advocates believe that the termination of a pregnancy is the termination of life itself. Not only is it immoral, they say, but it definitely should not be federally protected. The debate on when life begins is a contentious one, but it’s clear that anti-abortion forces believe life begins at fertilization and conception.

Thus, to them, the fight does not end with overturning Roe v Wade – that was only the beginning of blocking access to most, if not all, forms of contraceptives. Increasingly, they are expanding their scope to attack other forms of health care, such as HIV-preventative medications.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) ensured that Plan B, IUDs, and pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), are covered by insurance companies at little to no out-of-pocket cost. Yet, religious extremists across the country are looking to ban them at the state level.

More than ever, access to reproductive and preventative health care is in jeopardy. A growing number of politicians have called for overturning Griswold v. Connecticut, the landmark 1965 Supreme Court case that established that married couples be given the right to legalized birth control.
--Americans United for Separation of Church and State

Shaw Kenawe said...


Consider the following:

In a video, U.S. Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) called Griswold “constitutionally unsound.”

In Idaho, some state lawmakers are seriously considering banning emergency contraceptives like Plan B.

Blake Masters, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate in Arizona, remarked that he would only vote for Supreme Court justices who would not protect access to contraceptives. This same attitude extends to HIV-preventative medications as well.

Texan legislators have notoriously endorsed sex education centered primarily on abstinence, which would, in their perspective, absolve any need for contraception to begin with.

Also in Texas, Jonathan Mitchell, a far-right lawyer who helped write Senate Bill 8, the state’s restrictive abortion law, is now spearheading efforts to block access to important medications, namely Descovy and Truvada, which can prevent the transmission of HIV.

Mitchell represents several clients who object to the ACA’s mandate that insurance providers must cover PrEP, as well as different forms of contraception.

The lawsuit states, “The PrEP mandate forces religious employers to provide coverage for drugs that facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use. It also compels religious employers and religious individuals who purchase health insurance to subsidize these behaviors as a condition of purchasing health insurance.”

This is the "small government party" that wants to eliminate contraception so that people can safely PLAN THEIR FAMILIES!

This ban on birth control is wholly in accordance with Catholic doctrine as is a total ban on abortion, not matter the circumstances, even if the mother's life is in danger.

Pay attention. This is why they want Trump back in the presidency. He will allow this. He already brags about overturning Roe v. Wade and said he'd go for a federal ban.

Shaw Kenawe said...

FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said... "Your TRUMPUBLICAN (Chuck Wichgers) hates Trump and his supporters. He's your "ally", not mine."

Wichgers is NOT my ally. He's a crazy far right Republican who rants against contraception. Whether he hates Trump or not matters not a wit to me. Wichgers is first and foremost a Catholic who wants to impose HIS religious doctrines on everyone.

PS. Mitt Romney dislikes Trump intensely and is against abortion, except for rape, incest, and the life of the mother.

What's your point?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Mitt Romney is YOUR ally, not mine. That's my point.

skudrunner said...

"The Republican Party wants to do away with legal access to contraception."
That is like saying the democrat party want to enact Sharia law just because one of the members says so. I would say that is fake news but some of your followers actually believe anything bad about the republican party. You could say the democrat party believed in murder because they support abortion. It seems to be OK to support a persons right to choose but not to own a firearm. Does seem a little hypocritical don't you think

Shaw Kenawe said...

skudrunner said... "The Republican Party wants to do away with legal access to contraception."

S.K.: Skud, you ignored all the evidence I posted on Republicans against contraceptions. Why? Are those facts too painful for you to acknowledge? There is MORE THAN ONE REPUBLICAN speaking out for ending access to contraception.

skudrunner: "That is like saying the democrat party want to enact Sharia law just because one of the members says so."

S.K. This country is in danger of having right-wing Christian Nationalists write laws for all of us. Apparently, you're not acquainted with their agendas.

Skudrunner: "You could say the democrat party believed in murder because they support abortion."

S.K.: When was the last time a girl or woman was put on trial for murder after an abortion? NEVER. Your comment is an extreme lie. Abortion is a LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE in many NON-REPUBLICAN STATES. Unless Trump becomes the POTUS again and, as he has promised, will make it a federal ban.

Skudrunner: "It seems to be OK to support a persons right to choose but not to own a firearm."

No one has said that here. That's your strawman argument you throw around when you have nothing else to use for evidence.

I am NOT making any of this up. It seems it is you who has very little knowledge of what the GOP is up to:

Trump allies prepare to infuse ‘Christian nationalism’ in second administration

"An influential think tank close to Donald Trump is developing plans to infuse Christian nationalist ideas in his administration should the former president return to power, according to documents obtained by POLITICO.

Spearheading the effort is Russell Vought, who served as Trump’s director of the Office of Management and Budget during his first term and has remained close to him."

"Vought has a close affiliation with Christian nationalist William Wolfe, a former Trump administration official who has advocated for overturning same-sex marriage, ending abortion and reducing access to contraceptives." --Politico

skudrunner, I bring evidence and receipts to the discussion; you bring accusations backed up by nothing.

Open your eyes to see reality.

skudrunner said...

Again it is some republicans not the republican party. I would rather have no party rule instead of republican or democrat because then they may represent the will of the people instead of the will of the party. I am also for letting people decide what is best for them as long as it doesn't infringe on others. I don't have a problem with abortion because I don't have to live with the result but I do have a problem with abortion as birth control.

"contraception leads to 'infidelity,' a 'loss of respect for women,' and a 'proliferation of STDs."
That is a true statement because prior to birth control it was risky to diddle and now it's not. Your opinion may very but it is impossible to deny.

Shaw Kenawe said...

skudrunner: "I don't have a problem with abortion because I don't have to live with the result"

The results of abortions also means that the mothers don't die of sepsis because the states force them to carry dead fetuses to term, which Katy Cox was faced with in Texas. Living with the result of that abortion means Mrs. Cox didn't die and that she lives to try to have another child. Do you ever consider that or only what the propagandists spread about abortion?

skudrunner: "...but I do have a problem with abortion as birth control."

Also, why would anyone not in a relationship with a girl or woman care about the reasons for their abortions? How is it your or anyone's concern? You have a problem with abortion as birth control? I have a problem with the proliferation of firearms, secured and unsecured, that are the #1 cause of death for living American children.

Both abortion (so far) and gun ownership are legal in this country. And people make decisions around those two issues that you and I don't personally agree with.

skudrunner: "That is a true statement because prior to birth control it was risky to diddle and now it's not. Your opinion may very but it is impossible to deny."

Men and women ALWAYS "diddled," and it was ALWAYS the girl or woman who bore the results of the diddling. Now there are ways to avoid pregnancy so that the "diddling" will not result in pregnancy. That makes it better for the MAN and woman. And it's no one's business on the reasons for why people "diddle," as long as they do no harm to anyone else.

Try to keep your concern limited to yourself and leave what other people do to their concern.

It's a good way to live.

Mike said...

This guy was really hard to listen to. I'm surprised I made it to the end. I'm surprised he got elected if he talks like that all the time.

Dave Dubya said...

-FJ is off the rails again.
"Your TRUMPUBLICAN (Chuck Wichgers) hates Trump and his supporters. He's your "ally", not mine."

There was no mention of Wichgers at the link he provided:

"Assembly Speaker Robin Vos is being targeted for recall because he refused to impeach the state's top elections official or proceed with attempting to decertify President Joe Biden's 2020 victory in Wisconsin. His actions angered Trump, who accused Vos of covering up election corruption, while Trump's followers mounted an unsuccessful primary challenge in 2022 and are now trying to force a recall election.

Vos lashed out at recall organizers at a luncheon Tuesday, saying organizers are "so out of touch with reality."

"The people who did this? Whack jobs and morons," he said."

Those insurrectionist whack jobs and morons are -FJ's allies. And Wichgers IS one of them. He signed a letter urging Pence to delay certifying the presidential election results

-FJ is like every other authoritarian Trumpist sociopath. He remorselessly lies with impunity.

Les Carpenter said...

It's trump's game, so, naturally it's their game as well Dave D.. Goosestepping to their party's new Fuhrer is apparently their focus and priority in their structured and conditioned lives. They salivate waiting for their Fuhrer's every pronouncement.

Grey One talks sass said...

skud claims it's only this one person who is aiming to get rid of contraception. Of course they have no evidence to back them up. And oh, this is embarrassing because when I took a look to find more than one GOP politician's views on Women's Health Care I found the 2025 project which claims Roe vs Wade was just the beginning.

I guess the GOP did find a platform and it's as fascist and theocratic as I imagined. Ok - it's worse than I imagined.

I get the choices in front of We The People aren't ideal but here's the thing - sometimes there is no perfect choice. I have issues with Biden but I also support him for president in the 2024 election because what's on the other side is the stuff of nightmares and dystopian end of the world scenarios played out in real life.

In my opinion, there is no choice. MAGA out the door in '24.

Also - our multiple named troll sure does exude patriarchy as does skud. Birth control is used for more than just to prevent pregnancy. Perhaps if men's erectile issue drugs were lumped in with the birth control issue they'd get educated quickly.

Les Carpenter said...

Wow! I guess skud has been very successful in creating the storyline and picture in his own mind about contraceptives. Supported of course only by his reified ego beliefs and those of like minded fellows.

Dave Miller said...

Skud posited this thought...

"Again it is some republicans not the republican party."

He's right. It is not all Republicans. The problem is that for years the GOP and Republican partisans have tarred all Dems, liberals and others with the actions of the few, saying literally, absent any public denunciation, they must agree and side with the loons.

So in a sense, live by the sword, die by the sword.

Now I get it. You want to make space for the outliers to get credit. So do I. I've got a lot of conservative friends, even strong Trump supporters among them. It's because I spend time in rural America, stay in people's homes there and listen to them. I also spend considerable time in the evangelical church here in the US, literally right now, the cradle of Trump support.

So let me say this...

Across the dinner table, walking together in a field and sitting around a fire, people will tell me it's hard. They know their party, or political leader is out on the edge, but... they're not changing their vote.

They're still supporting the crazies. And by crazies, I mean the ppl who deny Biden won the 2020 election fair and square, those who question interracial and gay marriage, those who believe contraceptives are abortifacients and those who still call the folks who savagely beat police on J6 are freedom fights, hostages and political prisoners.

So until we see real action at the polls, I'm sorry, your statement would be truer if it was changed to read like this...

Most Republicans do support banning contraceptives, but some don't.

Because from where I stand and based on my experiences, that's more accurate.

Les Carpenter said...

I was a republican once. Until i was no longer able to abide the party's rapidly advancing extreme right wing views. That and the party's treatment of President Obama even after he proved his abilities AND love of country.

When that occured i found myself doing exactly what the merry band of trolls trolls do here at PE at con sites. Why? because there is no way to intellectually engage with extreme views from EITHER side. I still do from time to time on the more egregious sites.

I'm not sure Dave whether it's just the anonymity of the interlubes where it's easy for folks to simply blow off steam or if it is much more, and much of America has actually become that self centered, self absorbed, and willfully unaware of reality.

Maybe it's time to toss in the towel and find a more beneficial pastimes. Because i highly suspect at this point that this malady is NOT going to go away. I suspect it is going to be around a very long while.

Sad for me but i no longer trust the conservative right and certainly not the republican party. Except maybe the very few like Liz Cheney that spoke out for truth and true justice for our republic.

Dave Miller said...

Les, Shaw and the other sane folks here...

I know Skud wants to believe that the great majority of Republicans are not crazed idiots as it relates to abortion. Sadly, the evidence says otherwise.

Let's just take a look at former bellwether state, Missouri.

Earlier this year, the Missouri GOP rejected an amendment to their near total abortion ban bill that would have provided an ability of women raped, or f#@ked by their dads or other relatives to get an abortion.

Said one GOP leader explaining the resulting pregnancies... "God does not make mistakes... God is perfect"

This is the same GOP group that is pushing to add criminal penalties to the law so a girl, mom or parent who helps get that abortion after someone is raped or the victim of incest, can be criminally charged for the death of the "fetus."

That's the result candidate Trump said was logical and should happen when he was asked about it in 2016 by Chris Matthews.

Also today, trump seemed to waffle on his former support for a federal abortion ban. Former VP Pence and the Susan B Anthony group, major Pro-Life folks quickly criticized Trump for abandoning Pro-Life principles.

How much evidence do you need Skud that the GOP leadership, as it exists today within the party, is all in on a national abortion ban, IVF and contraceptive restrictions and criminal charges for people who participate in harming the fetus under the fetal personhood statutes sweeping the country?

Les Carpenter said...

When fascism comes to America it will come wraped in the American flag clutching the bible.