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Thursday, August 23, 2018

So, according to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham...



America should "cleanse" the office of the president by throwing the moral pig who now sits in the Oval Office OUT!

I agree with Senator Graham:


1999 Lindsey Graham video leaves him in an awkward position when it comes to impeaching Trump


Graham: “So the point I’m trying to make is that you don’t have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this Constitutional republic,” Graham said. “If this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds … because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

16 comments:

Kevin Robbins said...

We'll get on that right after the Hillary mess is cleaned up. Here's a tweet from Guiliani.

If there is any justice left at DOJ why is payment by Hillary Clinton and DNC to FusionGPS for the phony Steele dossier not under investigation. On your theory in Cohen plea it’s an illegal campaign contribution.Let’s go DOJ wake up. where’s the indictment. Clintons not above law

How sad that apparently the Clintons do remain above the law and poor Donald Trump is the victim of a ... No, I'm sorry I just can't say it.

Shaw Kenawe said...



Kevin, every Trump cultist I talk to, including my own brother, always deflects by dragging Hillary into the conversation. Always. Hillary is not under investigation. Trump is.

PS. Giuliani is nuts.

skudrunner said...

Getting rid of trump is the best thing that could happen to the GOP. Pence would take over and he is not objectionable to the country. He would continue the economic boom started with the new administration and could serve two terms.
Aside from the disgusting person trump is he has a positive agenda for America and with unemployment low, tax cuts and leveling the tariff's with other countries we are on the right track he is just to toxic to continue to be president. Problem is he won't be impeached from office and he won't resign because of his massive ego.

Contrast what is happening with the democrats and the governor of NY saying America is not that good. The darling's of the democrats, warren and cortez want to have open borders, eliminate ICE, increase taxes and free everything is not well met in the Heartland. They appeal to the coasties but not middle America who want to enjoy some of what they work had for.

Yes BHO was well liked although ineffective for the majority of Americans especially the middle class business owner who he thought was the enemy of the state. He did great for the poor and the uber rich but the working class struggled under his reign.

Shaw Kenawe said...


skudrunner: "Contrast what is happening with the democrats and the governor of NY saying America is not that good."

Actually, skud, you're wrong. It is Trump himself who claims America isn't great. His campaign slogan, which he continues to use a year and a half into his presidency, is "Make America Great AGAIN". That implies that it isn't great and won't be GREAT until he finishes with it. (Darwin help us!)

If you know how to read charts, and I'm sure you do, it is NOT Trump who got the economy running. Facts are stubborn things, and the fact is that it is President Obama who deserves credit for saving the economy, which Trump inherited.

A majority of the American people do NOT believe the country's on the right track. So for all Trump's bragging about his magnificence as POTUS, the American people aren't buying it.

Wages are stagnant, so the working class is getting nowhere, despite Trump's promises. And the rich got the best tax break (permanent). The middle and lower classes will lose their tax breaks, but not the 1 percenters, Trump's elite billionaire buddies.

And Trump's tarriff wars are hurting working men and women who are losing their jobs because of Trump's ill-conceived policies.

Trump's closest allies are now felons, and Mueller is breathing down President Spanky's neck.

Other than that, hasn't this past year and a half been great for the richest of the rich Americans?

Dave Miller said...

Skud, as usual, your statement is riddled with inaccuracies, except where you say Trump is a disgusting person.

You state pence would "continue the economic boom started with the new administration". The economic boom of which you speak started under President Obama. Has it continued under Pres Trump? Yes, but the great bull market is now at almost 3500 days. Trump has been in office roughly 590 days. Wouldn't simple logic say the great majority of that run was under Pres Obama?

The record unemployment lows we are seeing are also a result of a long run of success during the Obama Admin. Have they continued under Trump? Of course, but to credit him solely is ludicrous.

As for New York, Gov Cuomo never said America was not good. He said... “It [America] was never that great. We have not reached greatness. We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged.” Now, since Trump trotted out the MAGA line, I am still waiting for someone, maybe you, to tell me when America was great. To what great are we returning to as we strive to make America great "again?"

Cuomo really is no so far off base.

As for Obama, I doubt he really thought the small business owner was the "enemy of the state." That, and language calling ppl unAmerican is the realm of the coin for the GOP. See opposition to the Patriot Act, the War in Iraq, gay marriage, liberals, etc.

Come on Skud... get your facts straight. Or is truth not truth for you? Or are you looking for alternative facts?

Anonymous said...

So now you are a supporter of Sen. Graham, that leaves you in a awkward position.

Ray Cranston said...

tRump’s hanging his entire hat on the reality that positive economic trends that began during his predecessor’s first term in office have continued — deciding that he deserves credit for events that plainly predate him.

Don't let skudrunner get away with giving tRump credit for something Obama did. Trump can't do anything except cheat on his wife and hang out with felons. What a guy.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anonymous where does it say I'm a Graham supporter? I've simply reported on what Graham said about impeachment when Clinton was the president and what he said about "cleansing" the Oval Office. Graham believed the American people should cleanse the the Oval Office by getting rid of an immoral president whether he committed high crimes and misdemeanors or not. Will Graham stick to those convictions now?

Trump has done far, far worse than Clinton. Let's see how sincere Grahma is about keeping the Oval Office clean from dirty politicians.

Want to take any bets? LOL!

Anonymous said...

"I agree with Senator Graham"
Agreeing with someone is supporting them, but I'm sure uyou have some Dervish word garbage to deny it.

Dave Miller said...

Actually Anon... I was pretty much in agreement with Graham back then. I listened everyday to the hearings and grew to respect where he was coming from. I always felt that Clinton should have resigned, because he brought disgrace on the office.

Sure the GOP was ham handed back then and Newt himself was cheating on his dying wife at the time, but that did not mean what Clinton did was right.

So... in the end, the GOP, in my opinion was right then. The question is where are they now? Rather than sling snarky comments, why not explain why all the family values, law and order Republicans are now so silent? Tell us why when a black person is convicted, he, or she, is a thug, or a low life, and when a rich guy like Manafort is convicted, he was treated unfairly?

It's the double standard we continue to experience from, at least right now, so many GOP leaders.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Anonymous said...
"I agree with Senator Graham"
Agreeing with someone is supporting them, but I'm sure uyou have some Dervish word garbage to deny it.

Dear Anon, you're a Trump supporter, amirite? This may escape your understanding, but I'll give it a shot:


If Hitler praised America's great industrial achievements, I would agree with his admiration of America's great industrial achievements, but that wouldn't mean I supported him. It only means I agree with that particular statement.

Do you understand that?

Hitler actually DID praise America for its great industrial achievements. The Americans, he said, had shown the way in developing the most efficient methods of production—especially in iron and coal, which formed the basis of modern industrial civilization. He also touted America's superiority in the field of transportation, particularly the automobile.

None of that is incorrect; it is true, even if Hitler said it. But agreeing with the truth of Hitler's statement doesn't mean I support him in any way.

You're welcome.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Dave: "...the great bull market is now at almost 3500 days. Trump has been in office roughly 590 days. Wouldn't simple logic say the great majority of that run was under Pres Obama?"

skudrunner lives off of trashing President Obama and "bothsiderism." But I'm guessing deep, deep, deep down inside of our friend skud, he knows that Mr. Obama is a decent, intelligent man and a faithful, loving husband and father, unlike the moral pig in the WH who embarrasses decent Americans with his Tweet tantrums, his ignorance, his bullying, his lies on a daily basis.

You gotta wonder about those folks who continue to support Trump, knowing what a corrupt individual he is. It says volumes about their moral values as well.

skudrunner said...

Ms Shaw, If you judge a great recovery as just the performance of the stock market you are correct. The stock market does reward the rich but is not a sole indication of an economic recovery.
GDP, wages, unemployment across all lines and tax burdens the working Americans pay is the sign of economic growth. Contrary to some opinions the tax cut has helped the working middle class.

After the waters, dodd, frank housing bust the economy turned bad and bill mayer got his wish. The only place for the economy to go was up and obama achieved a whopping <2% GDP growth for his entire term which is not much growth.

I'm sure he is a wonderful guy but his agenda was only about the special interest groups at the cost of the middle class. He ran popularity contest at the expense of millions.

When BHO took the position of attacking people who created businesses and those who work hard need to pay for those that don't why would I support him? The queen lost because the working middle class was fed up being attacked. Unfortunately that led to orange hair but that won't last long then we can get back to running the country instead of attacking the WH.

Rational Nation USA said...

This better represents the truth concerning the issue of middle class and lower socio- economic realities skudrunner. The trend has been all to clear and its start dates back to the early 1980's.

skudrunner said...

RN, This trend has been happening since the beginning of time. Unskilled labor is always going to be at a disadvantage yet we place more emphasis on a degree than a true skill.
Our education system is a sham because teachers are underpaid and over protected by the likes of the NEA.

We use to be a three class society, rich, middle and poor. Now we have added several classes super rich, rich, middle class, lower middle class, working poor, government directed poor.

Rational Nation USA said...

I agree the uneducated and unskilled are at a distinct disadvantage. You are also right the everyone is not college or university material. Guiding such individuals into a trade requiring skills is a sensible and productive approach.

Yes, qualified and dedicated teachers ABSOLUTELY are under paid. The unqualified and those not dedicated to teaching ought to be removed. That is why setting standards of performance is important.

Actually we have the uber wealthy billionaires, the super wealthy multi millionaires, the average wealthy, the middle class, lower middle class, the working poor, and those the indigent.

IMO the "government directed poor" is pure and simple hyperbole.

The problem which has been growing since the 80's is the growing disparity in wages.

I wonder why that is.