Paul Revere by Cyrus Dallin, North End, Boston

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Thursday, September 19, 2024

Both Trump and Vance knew they were sharing false stories.

 

Frequent commenter and guest post contributor, Dave Miller, left this in the comments in the post below. But I think it needs a post of its own so that the Trumpers who frequently come here and read my blog can see what Trump and Vance did to Springfield, Ohio.

Why would they deliberately lie about events in Springfield? Their reasons for spreading a story they knew to be false can only be to foment mistrust, fear, and rage in white populations against P.O.C. -- especially the LEGAL Haitian migrants residing there.  

Trump and Vance must take part of the responsibility for the bomb threats and other malicious actions and death threats against the LEGAL Haitian community as a result of their deliberate disgusting  lies and shameless bigotry.





Dave Miller:

As the GOP, the gang that can't shoot straight continues to double, triple and quadruple down on the Springfield, Ohio lies, a couple of facts came out yesterday, one from the Trump favoring Wall Street Journal [WSJ].

1. The woman from Springfield who made the missing cat story at ground zero of this MAGA debacle, said that after making her missing cat report on Aug 27, and before all this blew up, her cat, Miss Sassy came home by September 1 and she had long since apologized to the Haitian woman she had wrongly accused.

Notably, this was before VP candidate Vance made his first cat post on September 9. This is being widely reported, along with the woman's statement in the news

2. The WSJ is out with new reporting showing that Vance on September 9, when he made the cat story and sensation and before Sept Sept 12 when former President Trump spoke of it at the debate, that the Trump/Vance campaign had been made aware the story was false.

Let these two facts sink in. Both Trump and Vance knew they were sharing false stories, did not care, and never considered how their lies might impact the Haitian community in Springfield. They decided to lie to the American people and their voters, putting people's lives in danger.

For the sake of a story they knew to be false.




In the video below, Trump is yelling about Asians, Africans, and Arabs who come and destroy the fabric of this country. 

(Nikki Haley's parents came to this country from East Asia; Tim Scott's ancestors came to this country from an African country; Trump's campaign communications director, Steven Cheung is first generation Chinese-American; Brigadier General Cindy Saladin-Muhammad became the first Muslim General Officer to serve in the U.S. military on July 3, 2024.) 

 Trump is a bigot and a racist.



 

22 comments:

Dave Dubya said...

It's now as if they are PROUD of their racism.
There is NO reason to not see them for the neo-Nazis they truly are.
They are the hood and swastika gang of "vermin" Trump projects.

Les Carpenter said...

Nearly 1/2 of the nation knows this and simply does not care.

Soon nobody will. Project 2025 will ultimately insure this.

At least for a sustained period of time until the Trumpers realize they were screwed by the gop goo and the malignant narcissist Trump.

BB-Idaho said...

Remember when Frump wanted to cut foreign immigrants except for Norwegians? It is still a big joke in Oslo. Oofta. Before this mess is over,
the Psychology texts will have to add a new chapter.

skudrunner said...

Project 2025 is not being supported by either trump or jd. Another lie is nearly 1/2 the nation simply does not care so are you saying 160 million people doesn't care.
I don't understand how anyone can support harris when even she said the last four years have been a disaster, but of course she is going to move ahead. Why hasn't she done anything for the middle class in the last four years except promote inflation, give money to rich kids and spend our money recklessly. We can look forward to more spending, more regulations and more special interest politics. But the good thing is we may elect someone who makes us feel good.

Dave Miller said...

Sure, their mendacity is horrible. But it's what it points to that's worse.

Here we have two ppl who want to lead our country, our nation.

And both of those people are fundamentally unable to deal with or process information, true information, that does not confirm, or comport to their biases. So rather than, when confronted with info that seems to contradict what they've already determined to be true and accurate, changing tactics or their path, they double down.

We know this all to be true by their actions related to Springfield, Ohio, as documented by various news orgs, including FOX.

Here's why this tendancy is a huge potential problem for all of us...

If they are elected, a very real possibility, do we want people unable to process info that changes what they've already decided to be true and accurate in regards to situations on the ground, having the nuclear codes?

Are they temperamentally suited for the job, based on what we have seen?

Lincoln was frequently faced with situations such as this and had to make numerous decisions on the fly, firing a handful of generals during the Civil War.

Is it fair to ask if Trump and Vance are up to the task, based on what we've seen of their ability to deal with crisis and changing facts on the ground?

Shaw Kenawe said...

Trump never understood that Norwegians and other Scandinavians didn't want to immigrate to the US and have to give up their national health care, child care, and maternal leave. The happiest people on the planet are from Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and the Danes! All of them covered by national health. Trump has a concept for a health plan; those countries actually HAVE health care plans.

Shaw Kenawe said...

"Project 2025 is not being supported by either trump or jd"

You are wrong on that:

"While many of the report’s more polarizing proposals come straight from the MAGA playbook, Project 2025 also raises thorny issues even within the populist right.

From immigration and presidential power to climate and abortion, hot-button topics abound in Project 2025. Early attention focused on its controversial call to reinstate the Trump initiative known as Schedule F, which would turn tens of thousands of federal civil servants into political appointees, allowing them to be fired for reasons other than poor performance.

Mr. Trump had instituted Schedule F late in his term as part of his effort to dismantle what he calls “the deep state” – the layers of employees in the government bureaucracy who he believed had slow-walked or even thwarted some of his policy goals. President Joe Biden quickly reversed the order upon taking office."

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"The web of connections between the project and people in Mr. Trump’s orbit is extensive. Dozens of officials and cabinet secretaries from his first term spearheaded or contributed to the Heritage report. Some – such as former budget director Russell Vought and former Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli – could play key roles in a second Trump term.
Mr. Trump’s running mate, Ohio Sen. JD Vance, also wrote the foreword for a forthcoming book by Mr. Roberts, titled “Dawn’s Early Light: Taking Back Washington to Save America,” in which the vice presidential nominee calls for followers to “circle the wagons and load the muskets.” He describes Mr. Roberts’ ideas as an “essential weapon” in the “fights that lay ahead,” according to The New Republic, which downloaded a galley before it was removed from the NetGalley platform."


It's easy for you to claim that neither Trump nor Vance know anything about P2025 because you apparently get your information from propaganda sites. Both Trump and Vance absolutely KNOW ABOUT P2025.

Shaw Kenawe said...

The above bolded quotes are from The Christian Science Monitor.


skud: "I don't understand how anyone can support harris when even she said the last four years have been a disaster..."

You don't link to anything that verifies that statement, so you're either making it up or you're parroting some Trumper propaganda site. Which is it? Please show us where she trashed what President Biden's administration has done over the past 4 years. I demand it, because you come here all the time and make these statements that are not backed by evidence. So, again, you've made it up, or you've found it on some unreliable Trumper source.

You ask why VP Harris hasn't done anything for the middle class over the past 4 years.

Again, you show an appalling lack of knowledge of what our Constitution lays out for the duties of a vice president.

A VP has absolutely no legislative power. She cannot propose any bills that go to the House and Senate to enact any laws. None. Her job is to step in should anything terrible happen to the POTUS, and to break a vote tie in the Senate. Period.

I have heard many MAGA say the same thing, which depresses me because then I know they know nothing about the duties of a VPOTUS, and what's worse, they don't care to inform themselves, because that would show their ignorance.

You mention she's proposes to give people stuff and increase our deficit? Trump promised to make IVF treatments FREE! Do you know what one treatment costs? The cost of in vitro fertilization (IVF) can vary widely, but on average, a single cycle can cost between $12,000 and $30,000. Many women go through more than one treatment! How much do you think that will cost the tax payers? Huh?

Yet you've said nothing about Trump's freebies to buy votes? Really, skud? REALLY!!!?

skudrunner said...

There you go again. He said IVF paid for by insurance. Trump said he was not in favor of 2025 but I guess that is a lie because it came from his mouth. Harris cast the vote for the massive give a way called the inflation reduction act or support you electric school bus. You are correct that as VP she was worthless and as the border control person, AKA border czar, she did nothing but her past positions on energy, taxes, illegals, criminals show how she would lead. The democrats and harris are all about regulations and government control of everything. There are some people who can think for themselves and some who cannot.

If A New Way Forward does not mean the past was horrible then what does it mean. In case you have not heard her say that tune to any station and she will repeat it.

Shaw Kenawe said...

From NBC News: EXCLUSIVE
DONALD TRUMP
“Trump says he wants to make IVF treatments paid for by government or insurance companies if elected
In an interview with NBC News, the former president defended himself over abortion rights and said either the government or insurance companies would pay for IVF if he's elected.”

How is he going to make private insurance companies pay for these very expensive procedures, when insurance companies dispute paying for less expensive procedures? And he did say the government would pay.

VP Harris was never the border czar. Please stop posting misinformation. If you claim she was useless as VP, then every VP that ever served was as well. We know that you don’t like Democrats no matter who they are and how well they do their jobs. We also know that you very often post stuff that’s inaccurate or just plain bunk.

We’ve asked you to provide links to your claims and you rarely comply.

Here’s a regulation that President Obama passed: No guns to be sold to people with mental health issues. Trump got rid of that as soon as he got in the WH. BOTH MEN WHO ATTEMPTED TO DO TRUMP IN WERE MENTALLY DISTURBED AND EASILY OBTAINED THEIR WEAPONS OF WAR. How’s that for cutting off your nose to spite your face?

A new way forward to many of us means NO MORE TRUMP AND MAGA!! We hope to be rid of that pestilence forever more!!!

Dave Dubya said...

Skud insults us with his constant barrage of lies.

To be blunt and honest, Skud is FULL of shit up to his eyebrows.

He BELIEVES everything pro-Trump media spews about Democrats.
He refuses to accept facts when shown them, only to double down and regurgitate more neo-Nazi LIES.

He can't even bring himself to denounce Trump and Vance's blatant racism. Instead he attacks the woman of color with more MAGA LIES.

Mighty white of him, isn't it?

His bigotry and denial of the truth sicken me. People like him are the reason Trump is so popular.

“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” ~ Maya Angelou

Dave Miller said...

Skud posted... "There are some people who can think for themselves and some who cannot."

This is another of his occasional 100% correct statements.

Now, his statement being true, what should we do? Do we Skud, have a responsibility in the US to make sure that those who cannot think for themselves, or think correctly [like blatant racists], have help, or limits?

This is the crux of the regulation issue. Where is the line? What happens when an unthinking entrepreneur, or business owner does not consider the implications of his or her actions on the surrounding area?

Do we just turn our backs and say que sera sera? Or do we regulate those businesses to ensure a better America around them?

How we choose to regulate, and how we think about it says a lot about us. Sadly though, most ppl don't want to think about hard issues like this and instead sit on their platitudes.

Dave Dubya said...

Dave,
I'm eagerly looking forward to Skud ignoring your questions.
Because, after all, "There are some people who can think for themselves and some who cannot."

skudrunner said...

Rev, It is nice that you are going to pull the yellow lever in the voting booth. It really doesn't matter who wins or looses the election because politicians do not run the country, the money people do.

If you look at the last 100 years and look at the changes in the political party in charge you will see that nothing has changed no matter who is the ruling party. We still have the poor and their percentage has changed very little. We still have the ultra rich and their percentage has changed very little although their wealth has increased and we still have the middle class who supports both the poor and the rich.

The ultra rich or the billionaire class are mostly democrats not because they have an altruistic heart but because that is where the money is. The super rich let the politicians think they are in control and reward them with modest wealth and meaningless power. Where else can you have an unemployed bartender be worth over 20 million in just a few years while earning under 200k a year. Where else can you have a 80+ year old women be worth 200 or so million and all you had to give her is the illusion of power. Politics makes them wealthy and they don't really have to do anything except think they are important.

Hate the other side all you want but neither side is in control. It is the billionaires who run the country so the only thing your vote does is make you feel good about yourself which is fine.

Grey One talks sass said...

Dave Dubya, I too look forward to skud's tantrum in answering your pokes while ignoring Dave M.'s intelligent ponderings on policy.

Shaw I also saw the NBC quote but what stood out for me what this snippet "Trump told NBC he’d support public funding for in vitro fertilization, or a mandate requiring insurance companies to cover it. "

A mandate? How exactly is that funded again? Oh yeah, because insurance companies are known for not passing costs onto their clients.

The guy doesn't even have the concept of a plan on health care. Worked in the industry for more than a minute so I understand the workings and yeah, no, nothing the former president said is obtainable in the form in which he said it.

Dave Miller - we Americans are a contrary lot so regulating the population is a task of futility. What we can do is to safeguard our institutions of power, meaning once the Harris/Walz admin has won the presidency We The People get to work. Clean house, replace the laws which allowed our country to get where we are here/now with new rules to address new tech, and most importantly, kick out all private financial dealings in politics. If you want to run for office you get a budget provided by We The People, just like every other candidate, and We get to see how clever you are using the moneys provided. I extrapolate our political discourse will improve within hours of implementation. And from there the sky is the limit.

Shaw Kenawe said...


skud: "We still have the ultra rich and their percentage has changed very little although their wealth has increased..."

No. Not true:


The number of billionaires in the United States has increased significantly over the years:

1980: There were 13 billionaires in the United States.
1990: There were 66 billionaires in the United States.
2023: There were around 748 billionaires in the United States.

Wealth growth: The top 1% of Americans have seen their wealth grow by almost 300% since 1989.

Wealth distribution: The share of wealth held by the richest 0.1% is at its peak, with households in the highest rung having a minimum of $38 million in wealth.

Wealth inequality: The gap between rich and poor has grown, with some economists theorizing that this gap is the largest it has been since right before the Great Depression.

Wealth accumulation by race: The difference in wealth held by white, Black, and Hispanic families has grown.

Wealth accumulation by corporations: Billionaires' collective wealth growth since 2017 would be more than enough to pay for a 10-year expansion of the child tax credit.

When Trump took office, he gave the top 1% permanent tax cuts. PERMANENT. The middle class tax cuts end soon, so their taxes will increase.

You never mention this wealth heist by Trump and the Republicans for the billionaire class. Ever.

Dave Dubya said...

"The ultra rich or the billionaire class are mostly democrats not because they have an altruistic heart but because that is where the money is."

Which orifice did Skud pull that from?

The economic elites know where the money is, alright. Tax cuts, deregulation, and corporate lawyers writing legislation.

Of course Skud thinks WRONGLY these people are Democrats.

"If you look at the last 100 years and look at the changes in the political party in charge you will see that nothing has changed no matter who is the ruling party."

FDR's New Deal lifted Americans from the Great Depression. JFK and LBJ worked for civil rights and voting rights.

Look at the last 6 years and see which party stripped reproductive rights from women.

We still have the poor, but ONE party wants to gut food stamps, health care access, and welfare benefits.

Skud will vote for Trump. His willful ignorance or outright dishonesty is his MAGA hat.

skudrunner said...

Ms. Shaw
Thanks for further illustrating my point about the billionaire class controlling the country. The middle class fell from 62% in 1970 to 50% today, while the poor went from 25% in 1970 to 29% today. So explain to me how a change in political parties have helped anyone but the rich.

With all the trillions spent on social justice and in spite of FDR and LBJ the percentage of poor has increased. The money class doesn't really care about tax cuts because they are above paying taxes due to our repressive tax system. Why is it we don't have a fair tax system, hint, the ruling class of billionaires instruct the politicians not to push it forward because they don't want Everyone to pay their fair share which would include them.

Dube, What ever you do don't look at who the richest are and what their political positions are. Just pull the yellow lever and sleep tight knowing you are socially responsible casting your vote.

Dave Dubya said...

Skud's bullshit says, "the poor went from 25% in 1970 to 29% today."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/204745/poverty-rate-for-families-in-the-us/

Poverty rate fell under Obama: 2012 11.8% 2016 9.8%
Trump rode Obama’s prospering economy until covid.
Poverty fell (so far) under Biden from 8.8% to 8.3%
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Poverty, as defined by the official poverty measure, has decreased overall since President Lyndon B. Johnson’s Declaration of War on Poverty, from 19.0 percent in 1964 to 14.8 percent in 2014.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/private/pdf/154286/50YearTrends.pdf

skudrunner said...

Dube, I don't mean to cause you heart failure which is why I seldom pay attention to what you say. Hate filled statements are not healthy but I doubt you will seek help.

While your statement is true when it comes to poverty I was referencing the poor not those in poverty and yes there is a difference.

Pew states About half of U.S. adults (52%) lived in middle-income households in 2022, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the most recent available government data. Roughly three-in-ten (28%) were in lower-income households and 19% were in upper-income households.

With FDR's new deal and LBJ's great society what has truly changed, not much.
To say the ultra rich are not primarily democrats is a true statement. gates, soros, zuckerberg, blumberg, hoffman, hastings are just a few. Look at how many millions the most hated VP in history until she wasn't has received from the billionaires. Why did that happen, because it is their best interest to have a democrat in power.

Pull your yellow lever like a good follower does but don't try to think.

Les Carpenter said...

skud projecting his own deluded reality on Dave. Quite rich considering all the hypocrisy we see our friend skud engaging in.

But it merely proves the toxicity of the conservative and MAGA environment.

Dave Dubya said...

Skud,
Please, stop with the unsubstantiated bullshit. CITE YOUR SOURCES!!

The TOP FIVE donors are Republicans.
16 of the top 25 give to Republicans.
6 of the top 25 give to Democrats.

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors